Mictlan dominion spread: Did I get it right?
 

Mictlan's dominion does not spread unless blood is sacrificed; fine. Do I understand correctly that this means that
- NEITHER the home capital
- NOR the prophet
- NOR the pretender
- NOR a temple
spreads dominion via the "temple check" method listed in that excellent article I can no longer find? (And hence means that a prophet for Mictlan is simply a +1 holy bonus?)

OR.... is it that ONLY the home capital and temples do not spread dominion?

thank you

Re: Mictlan dominion spread: Did I get it right?
 

the special mictlan pretenders like lord of the night don't spread dominion.
other pretenders like a pod spread dominion but much slower than with any other nation .
i read somewhere that the prophet spreads dominion too for mictlan .

finally you could try if juggernauts spread your dominion .

Re: Mictlan dominion spread: Did I get it right?
 

Only the pretender receives free dominion spread. Mictlan cannot preach, the prophet does not have any effect beyond +1 priesting, and temples do not spread dominion. Only blood sacrifices produce temple checks, and there are no preaching checks.

Re: Mictlan dominion spread: Did I get it right?
 

Thanks much sir.
So the capital does not, the prophet does not, and the temples do not, but the pretender does (at the normal rate). Good to know!

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">This is incorrect. All Mictlan pretenders spread dominion, regardless of what type they are.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The prophet does not. You can check this by simply right-clicking on any of your temples.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The pretender does not spread at the normal rate. The pretender spreads with a single full-strength temple check every turn, while all other pretenders get two full-strength temple checks, and one check as a regular temple.

Re: Mictlan dominion spread: Did I get it right?
 

Thanks Graeme.

Re: Mictlan dominion spread: Did I get it right?
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The pretender does not spread at the normal rate. The pretender spreads with a single full-strength temple check every turn, while all other pretenders get two full-strength temple checks, and one check as a regular temple. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Elaborate please Graeme. What did you mean by full-strength temple check vs regular temple check?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">A full-strength temple check is the same thing as a temple check at a dominion strength of 10. A regular temple check is a temple check at your current dominion strength. I believe that each pretender gives two dominion 10 checks, and one check at their current dominion strength.

Re: Mictlan dominion spread: Did I get it right?
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">A full-strength temple check is the same thing as a temple check at a dominion strength of 10. A regular temple check is a temple check at your current dominion strength. I believe that each pretender gives two dominion 10 checks, and one check at their current dominion strength. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Ok, thank you. Do you know by any chance what type of progression is there between temple strength and dominion checks? For example - how much better full-strength temple check that, let's say, strength 1 temple check?

Personally I don't think it is linear, so stength 10 dominion check is not likely to be 10 times better than strength 1, based upon my observation. Does anybody happens toknow some numebrs/formulas for temple checks?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Haven't you read the dominion guide? It's located here.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Dominion strength of 1 is succesful 10% of the time. Dominion strength of 10 is successful 100% of the time.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Generally speaking the answer RTFM is not considered to be a very polite one. I've read number of guides on Dom, official and none official ones. All of them were read a long time ago though, and I've been playing Dom2 ever since.

Also according to the guide you are wrong. You have said:

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">...while according to the quide, each pretender does "One automatic increase plus two temple checks". Also note that "automatic increase" is different from your "full stregth temple check", since temple check 10 always increase the dominion in *abjucent* province, while "automatic increase" can do it in the province itself, if dominion is less than 10.

Anyway, thanks for the link, now the matter is clear to me.

[ July 20, 2004, 21:39: Message edited by: Stormbinder ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Which is why I asked you if you had read it instead of telling you to read it.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yes, that would be why I put the "I believe" qualifier in front of it.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That isn't what the guide says, and is incorrect. A strength 10 temple will increase the dominion in its current province first, and if it that was already at 10 then the dominion can spread. Your pretender works in the same manner. There is also some mechanism that is not yet understood that causes the dominion spread that occurs in the early game before any individual province is maximized.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yeah, but strenght 10 temple means that that it is already 10 in the province in temple, by definition. Therefore the spread will happen automatically, unless countered by enemy check. That's what I said in the first place. Therefore "automatic increase" can not be the same as full temple strngth check, again by definition. And there is one, not two of them, if the guide is correct.


<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The Last paragraph in the quide that you have posted ling to speaks about it. Altough there are indeed no clear numbers, just general hints to how the formula works. But the point is, the is no need for the temple to be maximised before the dominion will spread. The guide says the the closer dominion is to the maximum, the mose chances are that it'l spread *instead* of increasing it by 1 in the temple province itself. It can aslo explain the difference between "automatic increase" and "temple 10 check".

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">My theory on this is that the dominion strength may also be limited by the turn number, so that early in the game, this "maxes out" and forces it to spread, which drastically reduces the possibility of a player being dominion-killed instantly by one of the random "false prophet" or "faith is falling" events.

Re: Mictlan dominion spread: Did I get it right?
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">My theory on this is that the dominion strength may also be limited by the turn number, so that early in the game, this "maxes out" and forces it to spread, which drastically reduces the possibility of a player being dominion-killed instantly by one of the random "false prophet" or "faith is falling" events. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">No, there is no turn limit on the spread, but the current mechanichs fortunately makes spreading easy in the beginning, especially if you have a weak dominion, thus reducing the chances of dominion-death for gods with weak dominion.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">No, a strength 10 temple means that the current dominion power of the god is equal to 10. The strength of the temple doesn't depend on the current provincial dominion level.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The dominion is guaranteed to spread in this case, but only because both the temple check was successful, and the provincial dominion was maximized.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">No, it can't, but then the automatic increase is a more recent addition to the guide that wasn't there the Last time I read it.

[ July 20, 2004, 23:51: Message edited by: Graeme Dice ]