MP Game - Live and Learn (newbie game)-running
 

mosehansen.dk port 2289

Karan map, Indy 8, magic sites 50
renaming enabled, HOF 15
25 hour quickhost
6-8 players

House rules: no caelum

Victory conditions - standard or mutual consent

I'm not sure how best to define "newbie", but after getting thrashed my first MP game by turn 30, I'm sure that I am one. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Anyhow, I'll be happy to leave it up to everyone's self determination as to whether they're a newbie or not - after all there's no honor in a veteran whupping a bunch of noobs anyhow.

It's likely too late to get this started by this weekend (but I'd love to be proven wrong!), but I'll be ready to start this once we get six+ players. It'd be great if we can get first 10+ turns knocked out quickly, if we can all agree on a time.

I was thinking I'd like to play Abysia or Pythium, but I'll let at least a few players pick, before I upload.


For all those who haven't used Esben Mosehansen's most awesome game server previously, all you have to do to get started in the game is the following:
1) Design your Pretender standalone
2) On the main/entry Dom2 menu, choose Network
3) Enter "mosehansen.dk" for server
4) Enter "2289" for port
5) Choose the nation for the Pretender which you have designed. (I forget the exact sequence of choices in the UI, but it's pretty obvious)
6) In a browser go to:
https://www.mosehansen.dk/cgi-bin/do...Live_and_Learn

If you've successfully uploaded your pretender, you'll see your nation listed as Anonymous, check the "That's me" box. (Again, I forget the exact UI details, but again it's obvious.)

That's it - you're done! Once all players have done this, I'll start the game.

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Final Player List:
FM_Surrigon - Machaka
YellowCactus - Mictlan
bleach168 - Abysia
Thufir - Pythium
J Henry Waugh - Arcosephale
Yvelina - Vanheim
Cheezeninja - Jotunheim
Schmoe - C'tis

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Hi! I'm in as Abysia. First time playing multiplayer!

Be gentle! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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I'll play as Machaka

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I'll take Arco.

First timer (at MP) here too...

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Thufir,

I take it Abysia did a number on you, eh?

The rest of us were impressed with your courage though. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Krool

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Cool, we're up to 4 already - maybe we can get started this weekend! I'll take Pythium, which means so far:

bleach168 - Abysia
FM_Surrigon - Machaka
J Henry Waugh - Arcosephale
Thufir - Pythium

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Won't be home until late tonight (PST, and have meeting scheduled afterwork), but can upload pretender when I get home...

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I would like to play Vanheim. I am not sure whether I qualify as a newbie. I have never been among the top three of any game I have played, does this count? I have played three or four MP games, though.

If you think it is Ok, I would like to play Vanheim.

And I am curious, why do you forbid Caelum? Jotunheim and Vanheim have no problem dealing with Caelum, and other races have their strengths as well :-)

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You could say http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif

I might have used the word "foolhardiness" rather than "courage" (but thanks for not http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif )

It's a long story, but my starting position was pretty jammed between Abysia and Atlantis, and I thought time was against me, hence the early assault. I'm still not sure - but I was thinking that even a veteran playing to win might have made the same choice I did. One thing is for sure though, 10 players is too many for the Karan map.

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i'll take jotunheim... I've played about 5 mp games, nothing but swift thrashings so far though.

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Sure - welcome in!


I'm not dead set on it, and partly it's just legacy - I'm copying a game setup Archaeolept did for my first game (with a few simplifications). But the reason for my preference is that Caelum's presence forces all players encountering them to defend in depth, which is a considerable complication when working out your defensive strategies. I know that any nation can summon/create some amount of flying forces (and Atlantis, Vanheim and Ryleh all handle oceans much better than the rest - yielding a similar effect), but AFAIK, no other nation has near the same degree of airborne troops. So, I'm thinking it'll be easier to learn the basics of Dom2, if we don't have to concern ourselves (as much) with defending in depth.

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Having only experienced swift thrashings definitely qualifies you for this game!!!

We're already up to six, so we should be able to get this started tomorrow. Here's our current positions:

bleach168 - Abysia
FM_Surrigon - Machaka
J Henry Waugh - Arcosephale
Thufir - Pythium
Cheezeninja - Jotunheim
Yvelina - Vanheim

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Is there any room for another? I'd like to get in, perhaps as C'tis. I've played one MP game, all newbies, and I was the second one eliminated. Urgh. I'll be out of town next weekend, though. Is there any chance of changing to 48 hour quickhost?

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Me too! Me Too! Mictlan
-YellowCactus

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Sure - no problem!


FWIW, you did better in your first game than I seem to be doing in mine http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif


Well, not as a general rule, at least for the first 30+ turns it'd be good to stick to 25h QH. For next weekend, we can make an exception if we need to, but the best thing would be if you could find someone to play for you. As I understand it, turns take quite a long time later in the game, but it's unlikely we'll be that far along by next weekend.

Nonetheless, we should be able to run a bunch of the "easy" turns this weekend so hopefully we'll be well along into the game by next weekend.

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It's a wrap, barring anyone backing out we have our 8 players:


bleach168 - Abysia
FM_Surrigon - Machaka
J Henry Waugh - Arcosephale
Thufir - Pythium
Cheezeninja - Jotunheim
Yvelina - Vanheim
YellowCactus - Mictlan
Schmoe - C'tis


If everyone can get their pretender uploaded tonight, then I'll have the game started by tomorrow morning.

Good luck all!

Thufir

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Alright, I'm in as C'tis. Should be fun - I'm going to try not to make the same mistakes I made Last time http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Whoops! I forgot to put a password on my Pretender. Can you please kick me, and I'll re-upload. Sorry. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/redface.gif

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You need to make yourself anonymous before I can kick you off.

Also, YellowCactus and Yvelina, could you sign in at:
https://www.mosehansen.dk/cgi-bin/do...Live_and_Learn

You need to sign in before I can bounce Schmoe.

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Pretender God loaded.

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Schmoe, I did bounce you (and managed to do it w/o bouncing YellowCactus and Yvelina at the same time), so you can re-upload your pretender now.

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The game is started! Have fun everyone!

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YellowCactus still looking for you to sign in at:
https://www.mosehansen.dk/cgi-bin/do...Live_and_Learn

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Anyone up for knocking out a bunch of the easy turns tomorrow? If we're all watching for turn processing, I'd guess we could get through several turns in a 2-3 hr time slot.

I'll be in all day tomorrow, so can work in to most anyone's schedule. I'm located in the US, California (PDT - GMT-8, or does daylight savings throw that off by 1hr?)

Do we have any European players in our game? I'd imagine that can still work if you're playing for a while in the afternoon/evening. For today, I'll be in for another 4 hrs (till 4pm PDT) and then I'll be able to get in one more turn late in the evening.

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There ya go big guy. All signed up.

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Sounds like you registered on mosehansen (which is good), but what I'm asking for is that you play non-anonymous in our game. that means when you go to the Browse Live_and_Learn page, check the box that labeled "That's me!" on the Mictlan line.

Not a big deal, but it's a convenience for me in administration of the game, and it makes the browse page look nicer. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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I can knock another one out tonight if desired, but tomorrow might be a little rough - may not get a chance to sit down at the computer until night time (and I'm on PST - left coast time)...

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I'm on left coast time as well, so that'll work for me, but that might be a problem if we have any east coast or European players. But no worries, if it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen.

Right now we're waiting on Cheezeninja, so if he gets his turn in today, it'd be great to get in another turn tonight.

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A tip from a fellow newbie. My first mp game finished but I am in the middle of my 2nd and 3rd mp games. From what I have seen it is like almost impossible to blitz turns in a mp game until you get down to 3-4 players. In my first mp game we had 7 of us and you always have 1 or 2 people who can't be there because of varying time zones and work schedules. When the game got down to 3-4 of us we were able to get like 3-4 turns in a day so I guess it is like a semi blitz.

Just a tip so you don't waste a lot of time trying to arrange blitz sessions. And mp is so much better than sp that you cant wait for the game to host to do another turn. I just signed up for my 4th mp game since my 1st one ended(not going to do more than 3 at a time) and it is a team one of 6vs6 so it should be interesting.

I notice a lot of us new players talk a lot in our game threads while the veteran games are kind of really quiet I have noticed. I find the talking in the game thread makes the game a lot more interesting.

But good luck to you guys in your game. Take care.

Aku

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I try not to talk too much in these threads......because I'm so full of Sh*!
-Yc

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lol

Gotta give you credit for being self aware - I like that in a person! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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Thanks for the tips, Aku, hope our game goes as well as yours seems to be going.

You're probably right, but even a small time block goes a long ways when you're turn 10 or less, so it's hard not to at least suggest. OTOH, I'm sure you're right that its not worth spending a lot of time trying to arrange.

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I can tell you right now that my schedule is such that a blitz will be pretty much impossible. Between a full time job, family, and graduate school, I'm lucky to even be able to look at the game every day. Hopefully this doesn't mean you all gang up on me to eliminate me first http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

I think talking (typing) about the game makes it more fun. C'tis has the most provinces - the largest empire in the world! Hahahahah... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Too bad it's only turn 4 and I can't research my way out of a paper bag...

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No worries - we'll wait a bit and gang up on you second http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif


Hope you enjoyed it while it Lasted - almost everyone's on the same province count now. Abysia looks ready to jump ahead tho - already getting 2 provs in a turn http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

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Abysia is more awkward than anything getting 2 provinces a turn and then none the next two turns. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

I hear that Odin One-Eye fella likes to kick puppies when he's not racking up the kills. I'd keep an eye on him. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

bleach

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yeah, curious strategy that. you've done that twice now!

Grrrrr [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/mad.gif[/img] Is there no justice in the world?! You should do something about that!

But speaking about keeping an eye on people - did you notice Mictlan's research rate? Could be some kind of Manhattan project going on over there...

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Whoa...Whoa...Whoa...
You keep the empire of bloodsuckers out of this! After determining that with my nifty Drain 3, I'm in the paper bag too. So God has to be a Bookworm for a few turns until we can make skull mentors. (Not that we have ANY death gem income) BLAH!!!
-Yc http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

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You know, even playing in SP, I have trouble getting provinces at a rate of 1 per turn, and you guys seem to have an indy setting of 8! Ouch. This means that you must be able to take indy provinces while taking next to no losses, which I find rather hard to do.

Just another sign of my newbie-ishness I guess.

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Funny how the truth gets twisted in the telling.

He is not kicking it, he is slaugthering it.
It is dog, it is pork.
It is not many, but the same, immortal one, every night.
And it is not for sport, it is to feed the troops.

How can you plan on ganging up on the wise allfather who takes such good care of his worshippers? Shame on you!

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Actually, at this point there's no difference between SP and MP, at all. It is tricky, and I'm still a newbie myself, but I'm beginning to work out how to do the opening expansion. One key is to make sure your initial army can do exactly what you just said - that is take indies with near zero casualties. A lot depends on which particular indies you go after, and estimating the toughness of a specific group of indies is an artform I'm still working on.

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Attack indies with scouts set to retreat. That should set you up for weighing they're strengths well enough. My personal bane are the hobbits with 'Lifetime protection' pacts. Those Imps just KEEP on COMING!
Yc

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Excellent tip! I hadn't thought of that one. And I told them that those Mictlanese weren't all blood sucking parasites - that if you looked hard enough you find one that was downright honorable!

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The dwellersss of the Sswamps don't believe the Mictlan propoganda. They only wish to sssacrifisse us upon their altarsss. They would do well to keep to themselvesss and do not bother the C'tissss.

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Hey everyone. I'm going to be out of town this weekend from tomorrow mid-day until Monday evening. That means that I'll have a couple of stale turns. I'll try to find a sub, just haven't had time yet. If I'm hosed when I return, well, I guess that's how it goes. Hopefully it's not that bad, though. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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The most successful opening expansion drives i know about are all either bless powered or SC powered. Once you get to alteration 3 there are a few pretender types that can start wiping out weaker (and sometimes stronger) provinces all by their lonesome with the right magic paths. My personal picks for this are the Void Lord and VQ, they both excell at early land expansion because of built in life drain (which helps ALOT with fatigue and even hp). Of course the VQ is exceedingly expensive to take, and the Void Lord is an underwater pretender and tritons would chew him up before he got a chance to raise his shields. A bunch of other pretender can do the early expansion, but they face more risk doing it.

*cough* Niefel Giants do pretty good at stomping indeps without casualties once you have about 5-6 of them plus your starting crew, which you might notice, looking at the charts.. *cough*

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No problem, you warned us about that before signing on - if no one objects, I can change this to 48h quickhost tomorrow morning. I would guess that making the change will restart the clock, in which case you won't stale at all.

Let us know whether or not you find a sub - I'll check this thread before I make the change tomorrow morning.

- Thufir

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Niefel giants don't do anyone any good when they are crippled by disease.

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Actually, it turns out that I found a sub. PashaDawg will be taking over for me over the weekend (thank you Pasha). No need to slow the game down on my account, and I know a lot of people like to get a few good turns in over the weekend. Of course, judging by the fate of his Machaka empire in another game, this could be good or bad for me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

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When I played Jotunheim SP, I was always having supply problems, and did have a tough time staying healthy. Now imagine if I were playing against Miasma C'tis - that could complicate things!

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True enough, which is why i like to switch over to Jarls only after my first expansion spree. a Jarl with a wraith sword, pendant of luck, quickness, Breath of Winter, and N9 blessing has much reduced chances of getting an affliction, and 3-5 of them can reduce almost all independants to rubble when properly outfitted.