Stacking identical artifacts?
 

Do magic boosts of a given kind stack? For example, do two Water Bracelets give one commander +2 water?
Thanks, Merry

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No, identical artifacts wont stack, but 2 seperate items that provide the same bonus do. If you had a ring of wizardry and a ring of sorcery on one commander it would give +1 to all elemental paths and +2 to all sorcery paths for example.

Last I knew, there was a bug about the stacking items. If the two items arn't in adjacent inventory slots (like a hag with 4 misc. slots) they do stack. So you could equip ROS, ROW, ROS, ROW for +2 elemental / +4 sorcery.

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Thanks, Ighalli, for the helpful information.
Merry

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Can you stack things like Endless Bags of Wine on a single commander with a large force?

Krool

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No, but you can have a single commander wearing an Endless Bag, an Enormous Cauldron of Broth and a Summer Sword. 125 supply units total.

CC

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oh i always thought they stack .

producing items ( clams , soul contracts etc. ) stack defenitely .
unfortunately 2 dwarfen hammers though don't stack on units with 2 arms .

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oh can you stack 2 dwarfen hammers + the hammer of the forge lord then on a nataraja with 4 arm slots too and get 2x +25% and 1x +50% forge bonus when you use them your suggested way : dwarfen hammer , hammer of the forge lord , dwarfen hammer ?

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Or stack the hammer of the dwarf lords with the cyclops hammer for 100% (on a natarajah of course???)

Probably would have poor paths but free forging = funny

Pickles

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It is not 100 -50 -50 but 100*0.5*05. And it never ever drops below 1 gem in all paths involved.

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Yeah . but when an item costs 80 gems and the costs drop to 5 gems or so this is nice http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

would 2 dwarfen hammers + the hammer of the forge lord arranged in my above suggested order give 2 times 25% forge bonus for the 2 dwarfen hammers or only once ?

is the cyclops hammer 1 or 2 handed ?

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Well the forge of the ancients is certanly a seperate halving before the others but a master smith ADDS his bonus to that of the item he is using - 75 % with the hammer of the dwarfen lords for example so this is certainly worth speculating about!

Pickles

(Hmm if only I could get a Cyclops hammer to go with my smiths & hammers & forge)

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would that mean that a nataraja with the cyclops hammer and the hammer of the forge lord ( both 50% ) then gets everything for 1 gem , even soul contracts / robes of invulnerability ?

because from pickles statement it seems to me that forgebonuses are added and then multiplied and only the forge of ancients / site boni for forging are separated .

it would declare perfectly why pickles gets the robes for 10 gems .

if it would be all multiplied it would be 15 , not 10 gems .

sure normally this is not relevant BUT when playing on a faerun game where you can wish excessevely in lategame forging robes of invulnerability for 1 earth gem / turn should matter .

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You can't have both the Hammer of the Forge Lord and the Hammer of the Cyclops. Try it sometime -- if you wish for one, the other one goes "poof" and disappears.

Two Dwarven Hammers do NOT stack.

Best you can do is Nataraja with Hammer of the Forge Lord/Cyclops Hammer plus a Dwarven Hammer OR Dwarven Smith plus Hammer of the Forge Lord/Cyclops Hammer

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...and, of course, Forge of the Ancients as a global enchantment to cut your forging costs even further.

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Im pretty certain it is a multiple of .75 in the cases of smiths as well, applied in the same manner as multiples caused by items or sites.

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I'm confused here: I have a Hammer of the Cyclops, but regardless of whom I give it to, it does not alter the stated gem cost for a given item.

Also, does forge of the ancients give you the power to make things at a higher level of construction that you have researched?

Thanks,
Merry

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The hammer does not change the stated cost but it does change the actual cost as you can see if you order the forger to make something then check how many gems there are left.

The forge does not increase the level of items you can make. However it increases the effective level of every forger in every path by one. This includes paths they do not have. Eg a Smith becomes F2 E3 w1 a1 s1 b1 n1 d1 for forging. Note this spell requires L7 consttruction so there is only L8 to get after anyway.

I think it may be broken or at least breakable but is immense fun until the joy of forging 20+ items a turn wears off. Good one to dispel as soon as you see it.

Pickles

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Thanks! I knew I could make more things with it in effect but I didn't how exactly that worked.

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Johann, I love you and want to have your babies, but this is incorrect. I have posted before detailing how you can forge for free. (Unfortunately, the current forum searching function has caused me to give up after about 15 minutes of careful rephrasing.)
You can forge items for 0 gems under certain circumstances, and you dont even need a Smith for it. (Steel Ovens or similar, FotA, Hammer will do.)

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I love you to thinktank, but in a butch and entirely platonic way. Ok, on the forging. Now that you mention it I have a vague recollection of the thread you refer to as well.

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hm would you please share how this works tinktank ?
because if that is true it should be fixed in the next patch because i think this result is not how forge boni were intended to work or johan ?

i have looked through sites.xls from sunraybe now .
it may be incorrect but there the maximum construction bonus listed you can get from sites is 20% .

so the maximum you should be able to get is 25% forge bonus from a ulm mastersmith , 50% from hammer of the forge lord and 20% from a construction site which adds to 95% .

so now even if all is added and forge of the ancients is up a 80 gem item should cost then :
80x0,5 for forge = 40
40 x 0,05 = 2

so the cheapest prize under really rare circumstances should be 2 gems for a robe of invulnerabilty / soul contract etc.

pickles statement underlines this too he got items worth 80 gems for 10 gems with 75% forge bonus + forge of the ancients up .

edit :
could it be possible tinktank that you discovered that in a dominionVersion pre 2.12 and johan and kristoffer already fixed it for 2.12 ?

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For what I know, the bonuses sums themselves.

Forge of the Anciets halves the price.
With Hammer of Forge Lord you should forge for free.

With a dwarven hammer and forge of ancients and const 20 site you should forge at 95% bonus.

And so on.

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Ehm, I still havent found that darn thread, so I can't tell you, Cohen, whether it was pre- or post-2.12. I can't really remember the details, and I'm afraid I never bother with numbers or formulae, it was a purely empirical test. IIRC, it was in a province with Steel Ovens (I think -- in any case, a prov with a construction bonus), FotA was up, and the forger in question had a dwarven hammer (or MAYBE it was hammer of the forge lord, but I doubt it), and I was forging my favorite item (Rainbow Armor !!! Yum!!!) for free, or zero gem cost. I don't know any other details and never bothered with the math. I only know that it was the case. I detailed in that thread how to reproduce the situation, and I am sure that anyone can test it. Currently, I do not have the time, but I am sure you can just whip up a map, Cohen, with say #knownfeatures steel ovens and put FotA up and test it.
Best to you

PS. butch AND platonic? Yikes!

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Try forging a 5 gem item, Boron.

The formula rounds down, and this is why you can get to less than zero. I don't have the game running right now, but try a 5 gem item with a Smith with the Hammer while Forge of the Ancients is up. The cost will round down to zero. You don't even need a construction site. The Ulmish Smith with the Hammer will get construct the item for 1 gem, but with the Forge up, it will be free.

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Eek Inigo is right - I was sure I had checked this too

Pickles

Mind you that combo is better off forging 40 cost items for 5 than 5 cost items for 0 - saves 5 gems cf normal setup rather than one

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Let me rephrase a question I asked at the beginning of the thread, and perhaps I was using the term "stackable" in the wrong sense.

If I have a commander with two Bags of Endless Wine, in two different misc slots, can this commander now supply 50 size 2 troops?

Krool

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No.

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Arryn,

Thankyou. That clarifies my understanding of "stacking" immensely.

Krool

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You're welcome. Do keep in mind that you can give one bag to each leader in the same province and they do add together when used in that fashion. If you're looking for something useful for your 50gp priests to do when they aren't building temples or preaching, they can serve as your field kitchens. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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I was under the impression that the supply bonus work only for the troops led by the commander with the item.
This happened to me some time ago, so it might have been a bug.

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If you look at the supplies used value for a province with multiple commanders carrying Bags and with few attached troops, it's not at all uncommon for this number to be negative. I routinely will send (as my AAR demonstrates) 1-2 combat commanders / mini-SCs into a province along with many (hungry) Jotuns under their command. The 1 or 2 commanders, even if they have Bags, cannot possibly feed all the Jotuns they are leading, nor can the province support armies of giants in the numbers that I routinely field. Yet, the 2-4 priests that also accompany such armies, each carrying a Bag (and usually a magical artillery device as well) indeed do add their food bonus to the needs of the army, preventing anyone in the army from starving. Trust me, it works. Without all the Bags, my Jotuns would be in sad shape (GoH notwithstanding).