Treelord use?
 

Treelords have attack 5 and zero defense. Lots of HP, but what good are they?
Merry

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They spew out a ton of vine ogres for very little cost

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Wow -- that is cool. two 56 HP ogres per turn ain't bad! What do you do with the tree lord in battle?

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give them a good staff and its 4 or 5 per turn for 1 gem (iirc) in battle they absorb a huge amount of attacks but arent worth much offensively..if they aren3 (i forget) have em throw relief

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They aren't worth much, unless you happen to have a pressing need for a nature 4 mage. They are immobile, so they really just sit around.

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I assume you're supposed to summon them in a forest, give 'em a treelords staff, summon up a billion ogres or so, then faery trod around the world taking all the forest provinces with vine creatures. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif It'd be thematic at least! Hm, can't remember their leadership though, I think it was kinda low, they might need leadership items for ogre leading.

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Last time I checked that, I realized that Treelords have only 2 misc slots. So, no staff...

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Geez, so the Treelord can't use a Treelord's staff, and an Ivy King can't use the Ivy King's Crown? I just don't get these things! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Well, that makes the Treelord about the most useless high level summon I can think of then, considering you obviously have access to the high nature magic if you're able to summon him at all.... And for a level 7 spell requiring 50 gems??? I think this guy needs an upgrade. Maybe if he awakened 1 ogre/turn for free, and maybe 2/turn for free in a growth 3 province?

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Treelords can't use a treelords staff, because they already have several growing out of them. Ivy kings can't use ivy crowns because they are already wearing them.

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Well.
Effectively they'ren't worth the 50 gems since they cannot move, have only 2 misc slot, are fire vulnerable and have only a poor leadership.

If they could lead troops, you can at least faerie trod with them some army. I discovered that in the lone game I tried to summon them.

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yeah the only one of slight/doubtable use is the one with 4NB . when you give him a brazen vessel he can masscrossbreed and he can cast GoR on some cool crossbreeds like ettins or with moonvine bracelet cast gift of health .

for gift of health when you don't have national nature mages and don't have Belial either he is probably the most costeffective summon because 1 of the 3 is N5 and the other 2 are N4 so they need only a moonvine bracelet while a fairyqueen / ivy king needs a treelord staff so they are more likely a bit more expensive to get up to N5.

later you can use him for GoRing your wish creatures .

normally not worth it though http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Usually to GoR or GoH you need a N4 or N5 mage, that is already required to summon the Tree Lords ...

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It still frees up the guy who made the treelord...
If you have a pretender with a lot of nature magic, Im sure he has better things to do than to GoR units...

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Well, if you cough up the extra 8 natures, you can always Transform them. When you do this (similar to Ritual of Rebirth and other life after death spells), you can then resummon them since the game doesn't think they are summoned anymore. The transformed TL still will get stuck with few slots, but at least they are mobile.

Nowhere near as useful in 99% of the situations as the Fire Kings or Air Queen, so I'd like them improved. Some thematic ideas to give to a variation of them:
a) Make them Entish, so they can walk
b) Free auto-attract Vinemen
c) Free auto-summon allies with Vine Ogres/animals/Crossbreed
d) Free Fairy trod ability
e) increase population/growth scale in occupying province

Free Fairy trod could be too much,but the forest only restriction, low leadership and only one available wouldn't be overwhelming ...probably http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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uh you are right forgot that
at least they should be almost impossible to kill via strategic damage spells so e.g. as man perhaps saver as GoH/GoR etc. caster than the fragile crones with treelord staff etc.
but fairy queens have glamour so they can never be targeted by damage spells and are much more useful anyways.
as it is the treelord is one of the few really almost total useless summons . sad but true .

good suggestions .
expect the growth scale suggestion ( should be quite huge like +1% extra ) i think all other solutions still don't make the treelord worth being summoned as long as he has not more slots .

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Just wanted to point out that if he would raise the growth scale in a particular dominion up to +3 (which would be very abuseable) it would actually give a maximum bonus of 1.8%.
Since (iirc) each scale equals 0.3% population growth, and considering you can start at -3 for -0.9% growth and end at +3 for +0.9% growth its actually up to 1.8%.
Nothing in this post besides math =P