Newbiegame3 , evil error
 

Final playerlist :

- Thufir : T'ien Chi
- DragonFire11 alias Melkor : Jotunheim
- Boron : Ermor
- Cohen : Abysia
- Msew : Ryleh
- Puffyn : Pangenea
- Lex : Caelum
- Tauren : Man
- FM_Surrigon : Vanheim
- Soapyfrog : Mictlan
- Huzurdaddi : Pythium
- Tyrant : Machaka
- Tannath : Arcosnuffle
- PashaDawg : Atlantis
- Regen : Ctis
- Grim Knight : Ulm
- Ygorl : Marignon




since our newbiegame 2 ( by aku ) is going to an end i host the successor on mosehansen since now a new slot is open there http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

i would like to have about 12-17 players in http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
about 8 slots are reserved first for the participants of newbiegame 2 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

just claim your map preferences and your race you would be .

if we get 12+ players i plan to use the new small faerun map http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

with fewer players we have to chose another map .


i would like to claim ermor myself .
claim your nations here .

the settings will be hof 15 , indies at 7 , common events and magic site frequenzy 50% , normal magic research .

edit :
the title is newbie game but intermediate players may join too of course http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

it will be 24 hours quickhost and i plan to use the special small faerun map with some provinces with special monsters .

if we get lategame we can perhaps turn on 36 h or 48 h quickhost .

edit 2 :

no anonymous players so please register at mosehansens server http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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I'd like in as T'ien Chi http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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I'm intermediate, may I join?

(Considering that Boron doesn't seem so newbye from what I can read from his Posts)

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yeah sure http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

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Cool. I will snag Jotunheim. (I'll be signed in on the server as Melkor). Thanks.

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yeah uploading the small faerun map seems to have worked http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

so remember some provinces are special and have special sites / guards etc.



do you want to play with or without victory points ?
atm it is without vp but if the majority wants with vp i will include them .

if you want a special setting include in your post something like :
preferred vp settings : vp 50 , 35 enough for win etc.

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<--- r'lyeh

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I'd play with Abysya.

Where do I dl the new faerun map?

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current player list :

- Thufir : T'ien Chi
- DragonFire11 alias Melkor : Jotunheim
- Boron : Ermor
- Cohen : Abysia
- Msew : Ryleh
- Puffyn : Pangenea
- Lex : Caelum
- Panther : Man
- FM_Surrigon : Vanheim

probably also in from newbiegame 2 :

- Aku
- Klatu
- PashaDawg

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hm... you should not play Abysia, Cohen, since you are not really a newbie. Try something else!

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I'll join as Pangaea.

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Gandalf hosted the map on his site but on a temp direction so i don't remember the url http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

at arryn's site you can get the map too though :
http://www.dominions-2.org/files.htm

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I'm gonna take Caelum. I'm playing them in our team-based MP, and I'm curious to see how they would play in a normal MP.

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daaaamn.. that's a big map. I love how 322 provinces is considered "small". It should be the "alittle-less-huge" Version

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here are the maps:

http://www.dom2minions.com/~tmpspace/

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yeah it is rather big http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

but for a 12+ player game the only other alternative that came to my mind was orania and i loved the old faerun map and the smaller one was not played in a mp-game so far and seems to be perfect for this http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

anyway glad that you are in http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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I will take Man.

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If someone would like me to play with another nation, I'd like to use or Pythium or Arco.

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Well, Cohen, it is just that you are probably the best player in this game and taking one of the best races seemed a bit overboard to me. I just thought that Abysia should be reserved for a true newbie.

It is your call, of course.

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Ah, which map will be used of the 3 Versions?

(Fixed starts, random starts, don't recall the 3rd)

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the one with fixed start + special monsters i wanted to play http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

i have played the small one only once brief in sp though .
so if there some things are unfair for some nations then plz post them and we can use the one with no-specs instead .

if someone knows a good other 250-300 provinces map preferably without wraparound plz post it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif



cohen just feel free to play abysia http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Are these Forgotten Realms 'special monsters'?

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Thanks for the offer Boron but this map is just far too big for my tastes let some other boomer in the game!

Pickles

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yeah in special locations http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
edi made an awesome job . he renamed the leaders to famous forgotten realms characters , equipped them and assigned them sometimes special monsters and tried to chose the most thematic ones http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif


oh and a few special provinces like big towns like waterdeep have a castle already http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

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I'd like to take Vanheim

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Gee - if Boron (who has been lecturing, at length, on the flaws of Dom2) and Cohen (Boron's "expert") are considered "newbies" or "intermediate", then surely _I_ would be considered intermediate as well, and thus allowed to join a newbie game? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

And no - I don't seriously want in; I just want to point out that the real newcomers and beginners are going to have 2 ringers (using powerful nations) in their midst. So they know who to team up against. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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Heh. This still leaves you the player with the most games by far, choosing from the very top tier of nations (Abysia, Arco, Pythium (also Vanheim, Ermor, and Caelum)). Taking candy from babies?

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welcome http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

just one thing : vanheim starts on the moonshae isles .
so if you want to get on the continent with your pretender without having to move through water you need to have either sail ( the allfather ) or magic movement like teleport / cloud trapeze on your pretender because you have no land connection to the continent .

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Ok thanks, that's good to know

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oh i would enjoy if we all try to make some stories for our happenings/wars etc. on the board like in newbiegame 2 .

especially Pashadawg's , Lex's and Panther's lecture there is just GREAT http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Exactly! Diplomacy is the newby's great equalizer. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I'm in agreement with Panther and Cainehill - sounds a little dodgy, to me. I'm no longer the newest of newbies myself, so I'm not too worried to play against Cohen as Abysia (and I'm always willing to trust to the principle of piling on the leader http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif ), but I would like to see a game that's friendly to any true newbies who might care to join.

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I think I just messed it up!

I uploaded my god and then I must've smoked too much crack and accidentally hit the start game button. Well, mores the pity to my stupidity cause there was no crack involved.

Sorry, I'm a doofus.

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np [censored] happens http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif


what have i to do now ? restart or stop and rehost ?
can someone ( e.g. thufir ) tell me plz ?
thnx in advance http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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S-t happens. I'm not sure what the best way out of this is, but worst case, Boron you can stop the game and recreate a new one.

Also, Boron, when you set up a game you should chose the game option "no client starts". Then when you are ready to start the game, change that option and then start the game yourself.

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ah this is helpful didn't know that http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

i will try stopping the game and creating a new one i think this is what you did with pandemonium too and probably the only solution http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

but for what is then the restart game option ?

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ok created newbiegame 3 v2 and disallowed now clientstarts so now nothing should happen there anymore http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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I believe that you can stop a game for some amount of time and then let it run again, if that action does not cause you to go above the 23 game limit. However, if you have opened up a game I would guess that you won't be able to restart the old game (since open games likely count as running games, in terms of the running game limit).

In Pandemonium's case, I also disowned the game, though I don't know if that was necessary or useful.

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yeah perhaps i should include if this is your first mp game ever and have never seen a sc in action then this might not be the right game too .

but most of us have i think a few games (1-5) running now and 0-2 finished . so most of us are exactly in between newbie and intermediate i think .


since randomness is such a big factor i think too high fear from cohen as probably the most experienced player in so far is not justified .
if cohen gets e.g. a row of bad events in the first turns like a labblow , unrest , indy attacks etc. i think even an expert player can't do too much against this .

and cohen was so kind of putting a small handicap at himself by taking abysia since they have a bit difficult starting position .


so i would say just go completely unbiased in the game and if anyone seems to be too strong there is then always diplomacy as you pointed out http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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What the heck I'll try out Caelum. It seems like quit a powerful nation.

Oh and FM_Surrigon, I'm currently in one other MP game and I am playing Vanehiem and I have to tell you not being able to get your pretender off of the main island is a real pain. I was quite set back by it.

I was also set back by not knowing the starting locations of everyone on the map which you can learn by just starting a game with all of the players set to human.

I went into the crowded mainland and was quickly turned back and it cost me a good 4 turns. I then went south and took it from matchaka which was easier than getting involved with all of the nations of the mainland. I don't think I'll win that game ( faerun_folly ) but I learnt where to go and where not to go with Vanehiem that is for sure!

The starting conditions on this map are wildly differnet. You *really* should make a game with all of the players played by your to figure out the lay of the land. It will help stop you from making small ( perhaps not so small ) errors like I did!

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Ok, uploaded correctly this time.

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1) I think Cohen took abysia since he thinks abysia is one of the most powerful nations around ( they have good blood and decent troops -- a very powerful combination ).

2) The starting position on this variant of the map is not nearly as painful as on the full faerun map. In this map he has decent provinces around him. His nearest neighbor seem to be T'ien Ch'i, widely considered one of the less powerful nations. Jotunheim is also somewhat close. But not really that close.

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uh, I already called Caelum, Huzurdaddi, very sorry.

It looks like we might get this game started quickly, so I'll drop my work this evening and put together a new pretender (what was I thinking, getting work done on a saturday night!)

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I'd like to play Mictlan, I'll upload tonight sometime...

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Huzurdaddi Lex has already claimed vanheim some hours before so you have to chose another nation because it is first come first serve sorry .
hopefully you find another nation you would like to play .
i have a current players/nations list in my 4th or 5th post on page 1 .


1. almost every player has a nation he likes especially . almost everybody though thinks another nation is too strong .

as it is most nations are quite viable if they fit your playstyle i think .
the only nation which seems really handicapped is Atlantis and a few themes like Arco GE , Tien chi base / Bk etc. seem underpowered .

2. you are right i thought starting is almost the same in small faerun and old large faerun . in old faerun the abysian starting location was really bad . but in small faerun abysia starts in a totally different starting location .



but abysia is hard to play because you can do so many things quite good but you have to decide what you do .
abysia is one of the living nations which has really extreme gold shortage through large periods of the game .
abysia is magically not as flexible as mictlan .

depending on whom you have to fight is also important .
if abysia has to fight an airnation is extremely painful for them i think .

finally your blood hunters are hard to protect too or force you to spend lots of money in castling .

abysia is surely one of the stronger nations but there are lots of other fearful nations too like vanheim , caelum or lategame a magically extremely flexible nation like arco / pythium etc. .
lategame abysia is still good but not the best choice i think .

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yeah i go to bed now (3 a.m. here) if we have tomorrow morning already 14 players i will start immediately and if not then i will start hopefully at least later tomorrow http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

just everybody who is in so far try to upload your pretender tomorrow or today http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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most recent players list :

- Thufir : T'ien Chi
- DragonFire11 alias Melkor : Jotunheim
- Boron : Ermor
- Cohen : Abysia
- Msew : Ryleh
- Puffyn : Pangenea
- Lex : Caelum
- Panther : Man
- FM_Surrigon : Vanheim
- Soapyfrog : Mictlan
- Huzurdaddi ???

probably also in from newbiegame 2 :

- Aku
- Klatu
- PashaDawg



wow already 10 players for sure .
looks good with 14 until tomorrow http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

i wonder that nobody has claimed arco so far http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif

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Boron,

In order for Lex to be able to upload Caelum two things need to happen:

1) Huzurdaddi needs to set his current Caelum position to anonymous
2) You must kick off all anonymous players.

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Too bad Caelum is already taken. I really wanted to try them out.

I guess I'll go for Pythium. I've played them before in multiplayer and I would rather go for something different, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

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I hear ya. My plan is to play my first 17 MP games with 17 different races.

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So on I reupload Abysya?

However I play Abysya not because I think it's powewerful (IMO it's very weak compared to every air nation - caelum, vanheim, pythium), but because I like the demon taste and (ipothetically) good army (that lacks in Mictlan).