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I usually put 4 bloodhunters (priests with SDW as Mictlan) in a province, although everything I read says other's stick with no more than 3. Anyone figured this out for fact ie that 3 is the best return for the gold?

FWIW, I also set taxes to 0 and have a patroller w/around 30 slaves mopping up unrest. Is there a better plan to be had? Something that will allow me to have unparalleled blood income and maybe keep a little gold?

Lastly, I almost always watchtower/lab/temple each province. No sense getting your bloodhunters wiped out by raiders..., but am open to other ideas.

Thoughts appreciated, especially concerning MP strategies here.

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the thing is 3 works w/out patrollers, and using patrollers will very much speed up the population loss in a province. Its a strategy, but most people are more comfortable w/ minimizing pop loss.

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Your strat is good .
I normally hunt with 2 bloodhunters without patrolling but i played abysia more often than mictlan .

Unrest per bloodhunter is about 3-5 + 1/slave captured but with some outliers .
0 Tax gives you -33 to -35 unrest .
So in theory 3 hunters could hunt without need for patrol with tax at 0 but because of the outliers this just works with 2 and even there every about 10th turn you get a real big outlier which gives you positive unrest .

Patrolling is 2 edged . It gives you further populationloss ( not so important ) but more important :
You reduce 0-number of patrollers unrest per turn where each value has equal chances .
So it is not really reliable .

The evil thing is with unrest >20 the event hordes of peasants left their home gets more likely .


With your 4 hunter strat + 30 slaves patrolling is this normally enough to keep unrest <20 ?

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As you say, I'm reluctant to patrol since I'd prefer to reduce pop loss. What I've been doing as Abysia is to start out w/ 2 warlock apprentices, then move it up to 3 if/when resources permit. I find though that with 3, it still happens that unrest occasionally rises, so my current strategy is to go with 3 until unrest goes above 30, then put 1 of the WAs on research until unrest drops back down.

Does this method sound too wimpy for you blood veterans out there?

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I have found three hunters with SDRs as Mictlan to work quite well. You do not need to waste a hero on patrolling and the accompaning pop loss. Pop loss is not a big deal unless it drops below 5000, in which case your hunters are less efficient.

My current Mictlan strategy is to have 4 of the cheap priests in each province where there is 4500-8000 population. I set the tax rate at zero and let 3 priests with SDRs hunt virgins. More than 8000 pop, I would rather have the income. Less than 5000, the hunters are not as efficient. The fourth priest has a jade knife and sacrifices 4 slaves per month. The ideal population for hunting is exactly 5000.

It is uncommon to have the unrest rise with this, for the Mictlan hunters with the SDR are only 90% efficient. So when they miss finding virgins, the unrest dissapears due to the zero tax rate. Most of the time, I have zero unrest in all of my hunting provinces.

If I need more blood slaves, I just set up shop in a different province instead of putting another commander on hunting and yet another on patrolling.

As you said, you definitely want a cheap castle to protect your vulnerable hunting/sacrificing operations.

If you are hunting in a lower population province, like say below 4000 people, then 4 hunters may well work without patrolling since they find less slaves on average.

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Those 3 hunters net you about 15 slaves . But you spend 4 for dominion .
I personally meanwhile like Abysia much much more for bloodhunting .
The SDR is not so much needed and you have normally a better start than mictlan anyway .
So you have i think good chances if you want to get the ice devils to summon them before mictlan if you have put 3 water and 3 blood on your pretender http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif .
Hopefully mictlan doesn't even think when he sees that to try to get arch devils http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif .
Probably BoH Abysia is the overall better blood hunter than mictlan .
100 vs 80 gold for a blood 1 sacred hunter .
But mictlan has always the blood spend problem for dominion spread which makes them a micromanagement pain http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/fear.gif .
And the blood loss for dominionspread is imo significantly early-midgame . About 20% early then 10% midgame .

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Typically, I have no unrest at the end of a turn. That usually depends, however, on having 15+ slaves patrolling with a tribal chief. Often, I get two tribal chiefs in the early going - one captures while 1 patrols with the new found troops. Of course, the capture slaves function drives down population as well. Population loss is a problem. I like the point about more blood hunters (w/o patrolling) in a low pop province. How much pop loss does bloodhunting drive anyhow?

Boron - I note your point on arch devils - had not given it much thought, but am I hearing that you like ice devils more than arch devils? Is there hierarchy to the blood summons you prefer? Curious, since I typically go after a few ID's (all but icicle fists) and then move to arch devils, followed by Helio, and Lords. If I ever max these out, I move to vamps/angels/father illearth etc. If some of these are not worth the investment (ignoring research progression for a sec), I'd be curious to hear why.

What thoughts on having extra researching priests in a province. With a decent magic scales, these guys get up to 6 MR after a bit of bloodhunting. Not a great researcher, but they can be produced everywhere. Plus, opponents using assassination approaches to damage blood income will have that many more guys to chew through. You can also turn up the 'b'hunting' juice in any turn you need it.

Lastly, how many hunters can you have if you want to keep taxes peaked (or high)? A point was made in an old post that base population growth on a highly populated province is strong (as a % of the base). Given that patrolling unrest works on a fixed population basis (1 unrest = 10 pop), it seems that you could employ 2 BH's with a patroller and suffer minor population effects while keeping taxes close to 100.

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I tested bloodhunting quite a bit .

The poploss is not that severe :

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Same pattern with patrolling . Every 5 brigands killed = 10 poploss .
Each brigand killed = -1 point of unrest .

A growthscale of 3 gives you +0,6% pop / turn .
With 5000 pop this is 30 population .
So if you hunt with 2 lvl 2-3 bloodhunters you will normally find about 10-12 slaves in average which is 20-30 poploss .
So unless events happen a 5000 pop province basically stays forever at 5k or grows even a bit .

My point on archdevils was intended psychologically :
Mictlan normally techs to construction 4 first for SDR .
If it has no W3B3 pretender most likely even to construction 6 for water bracelet .

As Abysia you can start the other way round because the SDR is not so urgent for your demonbreds , only from 90% to 100% while it is for mictlan from 50% to 90% with their Blood 1 priests .
So as abysia you can tech to blood 6-7 first and then to construction if you have W3B3 on your pretender .
Then you should get most of the Ice devils before mictlan does . Then he will surely think if Abysia even summons the ice devils they will surely have the arch devils too and won't even try .

If you are lucky you don't need to summon all ice / arch devils : Bifrons the ice devil , Nycator the ice devil ( no hand slots !) and Magoth the arch devil are pretty useless as SCs because of their weaker base hp and their low Astral magic . So if you have all but these stop summoning http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif .

You have to watch jotunheim/marignon more they are often more likely to catch away a few ice devils / arch devils from you as Abysia than Mictlan .


2 Bloodhunters but keeping Taxes at almost 100% doesn't work . This way you get about +10-30 Unrest each turn . 100 unrest give you already 25% less chance to find blood :
You could do the following though with heavy patrol :
Hunt with lots of hunters (5+) at 0 taxes and patrol .
I haven't tried this way practically but it should work and the populationloss/unrest should be not so significantly and it should take really lots of turns until a 15k province in which you do this falls beyond 5k population . But since i mostly played Abysia and lack cheap patrollers there i just hunt with 2-3 hunters at 0 tax with them in every province 4-8k or every significant poor province with slightly higher pop .

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I believe it goes like this:

Each hunting attempt causes unrest, from 0 to maybe as much as 35 (the outliers mentioned by Boron). Supposedly, it averages 3 per attempt. Each captured slave causes an additional 1 point of unrest plus, on average, a loss of 2 in population. A growth level of 1 (0.2%) is almost enough to stop population loss without patrolling.

For patrolling, don't forget that slaves are lousy patrollers since they are weak and slow. Plus both the chiefs and slaves cost you upkeep, so you must factor this into your equation. I prefer to use my free slaves as front-line fodder.

Each briggand killed is the same pop loss as the slaves: a loss, on average, of 2 in population per briggand. Of course, the killed briggand decreases unrest by one which cancels the 1 increase from the captured slave.

I have always thought that because the primary blood nation (supposed to be Mictlan) is actually WORSE at blood hunting than Abysia, then something must be terribly wrong indeed.

The fact that you have to sacrifice something like 20-30 slaves per turn just to keep your diminion in MP is a disaster for Mictlan. This is one reason you don't see very many MP experts choosing Mictlan whereas Abysia is typically one of the first nations grabbed.

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I favour at the moment my "alternative" blood strat slightly more by playing a good airnation which can clamhoard ( Caelum/Pythium ) . Then i clamhoard and try to get at least 1-2 of the airqueens .

Later in the game i can wish for blood then and wish 1-2 of the demon lords i need . They can then chainsummon e.g. storm demons and do everything else i need with blood .
This way i have the blood really only very late but as compensation i have clamhoarded , more goldincome from provinces and probably more gemincome from provinces too because Abysia is not the best sitesearchnation/clamhoarder but rather bad there while mictlan would be but mictlan is so fragile earlygame and has to waste significant amounts of blood for dominion .

And with Air i hopefully get the probably best Summonable SCs / Airqueens as compensation for the ice / arch devils .
For creatures/miniscs i can use Death until i can wish for blood .

Blood gives imo the best troops , good unique SCs and with Blood thorns/Hellswords the 2 best allround weapons .
But the costs are high :
- The goldloss
- The mageloss (they could research/forge/fight)
- The poploss
- The hidden goldloss : you need at least a lab but you should build a castle too otherwise a clever enemy will annoy you with call of the winds or similiar http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/fear.gif

Finally thnx to random events , ermor/pan cw presence , the good raiding tactics , spies and a few good populationkillspells ( plague ) normally your bloodincome will reach its peak midgame but drop then slowly but surely .

Lategame the clamhoarder who wishes for blood will probably overhaul you .
But my more severe concerns go to the following neighbors :
-Ermor . This is worst case they may corrupt a few of your provinces already early with their dominion . They can raid you very well early-midgame .
-Ulm , other nations with instill uprising units .
-Uberraiding nations like vanheim/caelum .


As Abysia/Mictlan earlygame your only good defense when you try to get the blood running is your SC and perhaps a few merchants while a Pythium that intends to clamhoard is normally a lot saver but lategame extremely strong too if he invested in clams + got airqueens .

You shouldn't play caelum , they are Banned in lots of games because they can abuse the false horror strat too well http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/fear.gif

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Mictlan isn't worse. They can pay for four blood hunters for the cost of a single Abysian blood hunter.

This is their strongest suit. You can smash the dominion of other people with your superior blood income.

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Graeme this time you are not totally correct i think :

First Abysia can sacrifice blood for dominionpush too but it spreads also by its temples etc. normally . So Abysia spreads dominion if it wants to even stronger than Mictlan .

One mictlan priest costs 80 gold .
One demonbred 260 gold .
So here the ratio is 1 to 3,25 .
The drawback is though that the demonbred is capitol only .

If you would play Abysia BoH Sanguine Acolyte costs "only" 100 gold too and is not capitol only too . That is 25% more expensive . So it is more expensive but the difference is really not severe . For this they are 100% fire immune and don't need to sacrifice blood for dominionpush .

Not to forget that you get rid of the annoying micromanagement of assigning the slaves for sacrifice .

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The real power of Mictlain over Abysia is the Tribal King. These guys and the free slaves under them keep the populace under control while you blood hunt like mad.

Mictalin is basically 100% blood. Their troops are there for inital expansion but once that is done you should not use your gold on anything but:

Tribal Kings
Blood hunters
Various capital only preists to spend the blood
Watchtowers/Labs/Temples

Keep that tax rate at 100%, you can do that as Mictlain. The slaves will keep the people in line. Blood hunt in EVERY province.

Seriously, the power of Mictlain is the Tribal King. Use it. Heck, abuse it!

No kidding what a pain.

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The effect of a temple is washed out by the effect of blood sacrifice. A mictlan priest with a jade knife, which is something Abysia has trouble forging, is the equivalent of 4 temples. An anathemant salamander costs 200 gold to get the same effect when blood sacrificing.

Yep, and since you can start up your second recruiting centre on turn 4, you can get your blood income up to high levels very quickly.

Sure, but blood of humans can't take a magic scale, takes an 5% gold hit in all their their provinces other than the capital, and can't summon devils without a fire magic booster.

Right click on your blood hunting provinces, ctrl-click on the blood hunters. Press 'Z'. It's more work than clicking pool slaves, but not much.

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Thnx i didn't know that .
I did pool blood slaves and then reassign the slaves to the sacrificers atm .
Your solution should be again a bit more quick http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif


I haven't played BoH yet but i will try them perhaps soon .
The 5% goldhit because of Heat 2 only is annoying but shouldn't be too severe i think . No Magic is annoying too but on the other hand free points and you don't need so much research as Abysia .

Since your bloodhunters need SDRs anyway you could go construction 6 as primary research goal . Then you get your devils most cost effective anyway via soul contracts forged by your warlocks .


But all in all i think you are very right that mictlan is better there .
I wonder why so many ppl play abysia but few mictlan .
Your explanations were all very good .
Abysia seems to have nothing which mictlan doesn't have too .
Which other "advantage" does Abysia have over Mictlan than +80 points from heat 3 and normal dominionspred ?
These advantages are so minimal .

Mictlan in return has :
-very cool magic flexibility , clamhoarding , x-breed , with water bracelet the national mages can summon ice devils , the fire priests can summon arch devils .
-hunt slaves
-as you and Huzurdaddi pointed out with magic 3 those 80 gold sacred blood 1 priests are damn good researchers ( 6 rp ) . This even almost beats sages .

So why do so many ppl play abysia ?

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Abysia is cool because it's a nation of demons. Abysia has amazing national troops that make early expansion easy. Abysia has 120 extra design points by going to heat 3, death 1.

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Curious: why bloodhunt with base Abysia using demonbred instead of warlock apprentice?

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If you expect your mage to be hunting for more than 48 turns, then the demonbred is cheaper.

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Not only that but when something happens the demonbred still can summon a devil or be used as a mediocre battlemage while the warlock apprentice is just a blood hunter and perhaps an astralitem forger .
Furthermore a demonbred can build everything . If you fly in 2 demonbreds the one builds 2 turns the watchtower while the other one buids a lab + a temple meanwhile . then they can start bloodhunting in a fully protected and built up province http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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Whats so amazing about Abysian national troops ?
They are high protection but resourcewise extremely expensive .
With a Fire 9 Bless i personally consider mictlans troops even superior .
Imo any other bloodnation ( jotunheim , ulm , pangenea , marignon , vanheim ) has better troops than Abysia .
To add pain most of Abysia's troops have only stratmove 1 .
Most of Abysia's heavy inf costs 20 gold / 30 resources .
Marignon DF can build lots of x-bows which are useful later too by flaming arrows .
With jotunheim i don't need to say a single word .
Vanheim is not really cheaper but Vans are really good and skinshifters/huskarls etc. can be useful too .
Mictlan can use a few slaves as fodder and blessed sun warriors or eagle warriors etc. do the job .

If you play abysia do you play them with a cheap castle or an expensive one ? With something like a watchtower you won't get more than 3 HI / turn resourcewise . I personally have really not found a way how to use Abysian troops in large enough numbers that they are good .
They have rather low morale unfortunately so routing is really always for me a problem with them .

Btw : Does flaming arrows work with slingers etc. too ? that they hurl flaming stones ?

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Heh, how does that work?

Apprentice base cost 150 gold, upkeep 150/15 = 10 per turn
Demonbred base cost 260 gold, upkeep 260/30 = 8.666 per turn.

Purchase price difference = 110 gold
Upkeep price difference = 10 - 8.666 = 1.334

Should take 80 turns to make up the difference, no?

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Fire immune, superhuman stats, high MR, high morale, heat radiation. They have morningstars which are the best general purpose weapon available. They can also easily afford productivity 3 to make large numbers of troops.

You shouldn't. Fire-9 blessed lava warriors will eat fire-9 blessed Mictlan troops for breakfast. A simple simulation shows that they win 99% of the time.

Jotunheim and Abysia have equal quality troops. The heat radiation and superior numbers mean that they can survive quite well. Ulmish troops are definetly inferior. They have fewer stats, less MR, aren't fire immune, and don't radiate heat. Abysian troops will win even at half the numbers. Marignon troops also suffer from the same problems dealing with Abysian troops. Einheres are also about the same as Abysian troops, and only a very expensive blessing will make Van's and Valkyries equal to Abysian troops when you spend the same amount of gold on them.

Which doesn't matter when you are invading someone else.

And most of Jotunheim's cost 30 gold and 38 resources. Both require productivity to make sufficient numbers.

Sure they can, but those flaming arrows don't do anything to abysian troops.

Actually, you definetly do need to explain this, since any experience would show you that giants and Abysian infantry are ramarkably evenly matched.

For the same cost, without an enormous blessing, abysian troops will defeat Van troops.

Mictlan's troops cannot stand up to Abysia's. They will end up on fire, and don't have weapons that can penetrate a protection of 18 with any regularity.

The only two nations that doesn't get a castle by default is Mictlan and R'lyeh. From there I decide whether I want a wizard's tower for nations like Pythium, or a hill fortress for nations like Miasma C'Tis.

Well, first off, you don't use a watchtower, you use a castle and productivity 3. You alchemize your fire gems early to keep your troop production high.

They have a morale of 11 and have access to holy 4 priests. There's no morale problem there.

Yes, it works with all missile weapons.

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You think that Ulm, Pangaea, and Marignon have better troops than Abysia? According to whom? Tom Clancy??? Unless you're talking vampires (Ulm theme) or carrion critters (Carrion Woods Pan), I'm thinking that you aren't eating enough fish. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif ( Marignon's KotC are capital only, incredibly expensive, and thus the fact they may be superior 1 for 1 to Abysia's troops doesn't matter. )

Flood and flame, no kidding that with a watchtower you aren't going to get many a turn, especially if you're playing heavy sloth, which I'm guessing you are. If you want a lot of Abysia's decent national troops, you don't take much sloth (if any), and you take a decent castle admin-wise.

Or you take some sloth, take a 30-40 admin castle, and build castles strategically, to maximize production. But the bottom line is, just like many other nations with good but resource heavy troops - you decide before the game starts whether you want to use those good troops, or not.

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Ok if you use a castle or similiar you may have bigger numbers . But how do you defend your bloodhunters then early-midgame ?
At least they will waste hordes of slaves they gathered to cast imps and you will lose your bloodhunters often .

I haven't seen this yet but i guess a typical caelum drop in with a few archers as decoy + false horror spamming wins even if your bloodmages summon a few imps .

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Nice to see you up and about Boron! You slept, what, four, five hours? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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4,5 hours http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
Now taking my turns http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
I enjoy atm being the Last or 2nd Last guy this way i can always do 2 turns in a row http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Eh, no one's replied to me, so I suppose I'm right? So, again, why use the demonbred instead of a plain warlock apprentice? Okay, I've just realized that warlock apprentices are capital only as well, so arguably demonbreds can fly to new bloodhunting grounds faster, but still 110 gold difference is awfully large. I think I prefer to spend it on two Lava Warriors.

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I tried to answer that about 5 Posts ago http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Warlock apprentices are really good too . If i have enough money i build a demonbred . If i lack money i built a warlock apprentice instead .

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I don't play Mictlan much but rather Abysia : usually I put 3-4 hunters w/SDR and no patrol, and it works fine, except for some temporary unrest peaks.
I'm reluctant to patrol due to pop loss and the fact that unrest isn't a real problem for bloodhunting before it reaches approx 40 (10% chance it foils the hunt).

Even with my poor Mictlan experience I can't see how it can be more efficient at bloodhunting than Abysia BoH, sacred 100 gold B1 sacred mages recruitable everywhere, sacrifice possible but in addition to normal temple dominion, they get every advantage possible ! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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PDF Graeme said that sacrificing for Blood cancels the normal temple check .
I were your opinion but Graeme's points against it were really good . But you are a more experienced dominionplayer than i iirc you played even dominion 1 so here Graeme's main points perhaps you find something i overlooked and Graeme has forgotten http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Boron,
I didn't know sacrifice precluded temple check, so my experience ain"t that good ! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
However sacrifice leads to 1 check PER SLAVE, so it's still more effective (and simpler mm-wise!) to use it with Abysia than Mictlan...

As per the Abysian debate : Abysia rocks in early game, their unit are clearly superior to all except Jotuns IMHO. Plus the fact that you can throw fire all around them without any bad effect (they're also immune to Flame Arrows, my Last Marignon opponent still reminds this ! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif )
The sacred LW isn't much useful, and Bless strategies aren't worth their cost with them I think.
They are bloody devil summonners as much as Mictlan also, but without all the crap base Mictlan troops http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif
Their problems is that all their unit are bloody expensive too, their mages are capitol only, and they suck at research (due to high cost, limited production and need for hunters). Mictlan OTOH doesn't have those...
BoH theme is IMHO much better at bloodhunting and research (considering however they can't have above Magic 0 they're just "correct", not "good"). The sacred GP *is* quite correct however and BoH can use effectively a Bless strategy.
I agree with you that they're less good at summoning due to their lower grade mages, they need pretender support to start off.

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Dont forget,that BoH Heavy Infantry has clearly worse stats than the Heavy Infantry of the basic theme.

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No, I said that when you sacrifice 4 blood slaves a turn, or sacrifice three and have a temple that works normally you get the same effect.

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It doesn't, and I didn't say that.

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I am surprised that you use the demonbreds as blood hunters, especially early game. I usually use the apprentices (the 150 gold ones) as I can make one every turn, use them first for research and then blood when I hit const 4. I don't find that I have the gold to make a demonbred every turn in the early game.

I still like Aby a bit better (though I don't consider myself a blood veteran, at all). Faster early expansion, great HI (and even PD, for whatever that's worth), 120 free design points from heat 3, temple and sacrifice dominion spread (sorry, temple + sacrifice is still better than just sacrifice, especially early-mid game if you are trying to get unique blood summons before other people).

- Kel

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That is exactly what I do,too. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
And when I have the gold to buy a Demonbred,I normally rather buy a real Warlock in early game.

Basic Abysia is great,fun to play and quite strong.
I dont like BoH that much though.

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How's about you build a castle??? Anything wrong with that idea? You should be able to get by (early game) with just a couple of blood hunting provinces, in which case the castle costing 50% more (450 instead of 300) shouldn't matter all that much.

Or you put your blood hunters in the rear echelon, with some chaff in front of and around them, and script them to retreat, which means they don't waste your blood slaves casting spells.

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Hehe then i misunderstood you there .

I have to admit too that Abysian infantry is not that bad .
But what i don't like about that is that it doesn't fit too well with the watchtower strat i like .
I should try out a nonwatchtowerstrat i know http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

So thnx again for your helpful tips graeme .

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Yeah all somehow correct http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif
Dominions has really a quite huge learning curve http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
And now i have a reference that my "Abysia-strat" at the moment doesn't work too well with the hardslog game too .
I would see me there as probably 3-4 th but well Archeolopt is too far away and you are not a promising target with your jotuns and GoH up too .

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Interesting comments all. A valuable difference 1 person has highlighted between Abyssia and Mictlan is use of tribal chiefs and patrolling to keep taxes high in a province while bloodhunting.

Anyone have good specifics for ratios of BH's w/SDRs, tribal chiefs w/slaves, and tax levels for a good bloodhunt country. Strikes me that you can do this in EVERY province versus the typical recommendation for just low pop provinces. Given the population deaths this will drive, you probably want to start in the high pop provinces anyhow...

Thoughts from an experienced BH'er?

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Also, a random question on AI's... Does sitting on the AI castle/home province cause all AI forces to drop what they're doing and come back to defend?

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One advantage Mictlan has over Abysia is that it starts stock with the summon fiend spell, which means you can concentrate on concstruction and still summon up a indep stomping demon army, with the ability to push their dominion extremely well and find massive numbers of bloodslaves they are also very good at chainsummoning vampires and being able to use them in positive dominion.

IMO the real disadvantage of Mictlan is just its micromanagement, it can get downright un-fun to do that turn after turn after turn...at least for me. If that problem ever got fixed I'd guess Mictlan would move up to its rightful spot on the powercharts (high'ish).