Wierdest battle i ever saw.
 

I was playing Abysia in SP and at war with Vanheim, they had a small army of 1 herse (HoF quickness ability) 2 skinshifters, 3 Valkeryies, and 9 assorted infantry that attacked a bloodhunting province with 5 PD and 2 warlock apprentices. I had anticipated this and scripted my apprentices to retreat immediately, but when I opened the battle view I found them surrounded by ~46 bloodslaves instead of the 7 I had been told they both had collected that turn.

In the fist couple turns, Dag the herse (vanheim quickened commander) sped past his own troops and my PD towards my apprentices that were trying mightily and unsuccessfully to wade through a bog of slaves to make it offscreen. On turn 3 the valkeryies attacked my apprentices and ran into the bloodslave screen, and my PD made contact with the Vanheim infantry. The next turn 1 of my apprentices was able to find an opening and make it offscreen, my PD broke and as all troops were now retreating my Abysian Warlord started retreating as well. Then either a bloodslave or the heat aura of my Last remaining apprentice killed a Valkeryie causing the rest to flee, evidently seeing his opening the Last apprentice slipped through the bloodslaves and offscreen. Now it gets wierd. As soon as the Last apprentice got offscreen the bloodslaves suddenly started behaving like an offensive unit! They turned, and ran straight for the Vanheim commander (who had completely bypassed the PD/infantry battle with his heroic quickness) Then my Abysian Warlord turned around and started fighting again! Evidenly the AI decided there were troops again and he was no longer forced to retreat. On the next turn my heroic bloodslaves pummeled Dag the herse to death with their fists! Which caused all Vanheim forces to retreat since they had no other commander! But suddenly my Warlord started retreating as well! But the slaves kept advancing, and the warlord whipped around and did another 180 the moment he was behind the slaves! (evidently he wasn't a lead from the front type of commander) The end result was me with ~32 victorious bloodslaves holding the field, along with 1 Abysian Warlord. To make matters even wierder, I now have 3 blood slaves sitting in the garrison of the province in question!

Very, very strange.
I was using v2.13 btw

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LOL.

That's very wierd. You mean that as the result of this battle your bloodslaves become actual soldier type units instead of gem-type comodity that they normally are??

If this is the case, and if I would be you, I would grant the most heroic of your Bloodslaves the Gift Of Reason, as the reward for his deeds in that battle, for the sake of Roleplaying. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif Than you can try to get him into HOF by giving him good items and/or empowering him. This way you would become the only owner of Hero Bloodslave in existance. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Perhaps you could even write a nice AAR story around it, someting like "From Rugs to Riches"... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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That's what happens if a blood slave is injured but not killed during a battle, or if there are no blood mages left over at the end to convert them back into usable blood slaves.

Just make sure not to empower them in blood magic, or you might have problems when the blood slave sacrifices itself.

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Melee commanders default to "Stay behind troops", so that's probably what happened here.

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Stormy, bloodslaves are virgin females. You're using the wrong pronoun. "Her", not "him/his".

BTW, IIRC, isn't there a bug with Gifting a blood slave?

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The weirdest fight I have seen was as Jotun. I took the pangean capital and was able to recruit a lizard shaman there- thought that was odd to begin with. First fight against heavy infantry and 50 au piece indie priests, he spams curse on all my own commanders! Next fight he curses himself? This is an ongoing game and something else weird happened. After taking the Ulm capital I could recruit ghoul guardians (unsure of name) and fortune tellers . that cant be right

forsted flake

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There's nothing in the manual or in-game text to support this claim, other than that the description of a blood slave says "The blood slave is typically a female virgin."

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The image is of a female, and the sound is of a female. Plus, when I brought the subject of male bloodslaves up several months ago, the devs categorically stated they were female.

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That part is quite normal actually. Ulm Dark Forest gets Ghoul Guardians, Fortune Tellers and Wolfherds as its capital only units, and you should be able to recruit them when you take over Ulm's capital.

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I've not played Ulm BF, but in general, you cannot recruit the national troops of other nations even after you've taken their capital (unlike in Warlords).

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Sorry; I meant the troops recruitable in a single site. Aren't these carried over when the capital falls? I was under this impression myself, but that mostly comes from toying with special sites as I do not take capitals that often.

One way or another, before 2.13 Black Forest Ulm units coming from their home sites were not working as intended. So either you can recruit them in 2.13, or you could recruit them in 2.12. That is according to the bug fixes for the 2.13 patch, which states that "Ulm black forest home site units not recruitable by others."

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No. You are not supposed to be able to recruit from another nation's special site(s) in their capital.

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It was obviously that time of the month for those blood slaves... causing them to be violent and irrational beyond belief.

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Compared to men, who are "violent and irrational beyond belief" regardless of what phase the moon is in. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

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I stand corrected Divine Arryn, and I now realise the errors of my ways. Please accept my pitiful excuses, for I have precious little knoewledge compared to you, Magnificent Arryn. *Grovels and curses these contracts about "unconditional" surrender and the like*

What Frosted Flake described may have happen before the 2.13 patch then (though I have no clue about the Pangaea matter). Oh, and men are actually affected by the phase of the moon; it is simply difficult to see the subtle line between "violent" and "truly unbelievably violent". And the same goes to "irrational beyond belief", as I have been successfully proving on these very Boards.

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It's hard to properly grovel when you are blasphemously cursing. Perhaps you need remedial instruction in the faith? Shall I have one of my more devout minions ready his cat-o'-nine-tails, which I find to be a most illuminating adjuster of attitude?

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Cats are nice, and... Oh, you meant that kind of cat. Well, it might not be needed; I merely did not quite get what you wished me to do, but it was barely a minor misunderstanding of little importance.

So, all praise the Divine Arryn, Lady of Pain of Sigil, Princess of Insol... Wait, that was the wrong script. All praise the Divine Arryn, She who Must be Obeyed, Queen of the Morning Star, Empress of this World and the Others, She who Sits upon the Throne of the World, the Glamorous Goddess of Magnificence and Grandeur.

Was it any better, at least as far as meek words can go to express your splendour? I daresay our tongue lacks proper adjectives to qualify you, for it was not intended to be spoken in your divine presence.

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Much better. You may yet be forgiven your many sins.

{Nice work, reads just like a Dominions pretender blurb. I'm considering adding it into my sig.}

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I resent the implication that she spends too much time on the commode. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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Men usually do tend to be more violent then women but not more irrational. It is possible for men to be irrational when attracted to a beautiful female. Yet throughout the history of mankind men have been the rulers/inventors within kingdoms and countries 99% of the time. If men were more irrational then many inventions throughout time would be by women instead of men.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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[waiting for the hurricane]

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Cainehill, þe Divine herself had seen no such malice in my innocent words; as such, thou can only be wishing for discorde within þe peaceful Arrynesque Order of Priests and Assorted Minions. Consequently, thou art hereby declared a suspicious fellow, and þe wisdom of þe Silvery Lady shall measure thy worth.

NTJedi, may I offer my services for your funerals? Such words can only bring the wrath of the Lady upon your shoulders, and once it does, you will realise the errors of your ways. Believe me, I happen to have made the same mistake of offending Arryn, and have been rewarded with a virtually eternal office as "faithful minion, with eventual promotions as pet or even sidekick".

Incidentally, does anyone know which one of "shalth" and "shalst" go for "you" and "it"? Or was it another form for "it"? Google cannot find an answer here.

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Just stating some facts. My air and forest domes have been casted too. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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ehh, rationality is in such short supply that I doubt we have a sufficient sample size to determine it's relative apportionment between the male and the female of the species.

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Isn't it sort of hard for women to have invented anything since for thousands of years (until the advent of ladies like Madame Curie), women have been forced (by men) to spend all their time in the kitchen, in bed, or tending other such "womenly" chores, and deprived of formal education? Do you happen to see the irrationality of such traditions and policies? Perhaps not. You are, after all, just a male. Your fragile male ego would rebel at being told that women do better in academia than men.

What men excel at is inventing (and using) war toys. Oh, and erecting monuments to their vanity. (Which I find amusing, since men think women are vain, and not without good reason.)

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His dome of air is in reality smog. I'll decline to mention what residue comprises his "forest dome". Suffice to say it is often found in the wake of cavalry.

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Not true. Rational people avoid politics and pollsters like the plague. And women are too busy with the important things in life to waste time answering silly questions. This perfectly accounts for the skewed statistics.

EDIT: important things like shopping or getting a facial, etc.

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Arryn said:
Ahhh Arryn, you saw me coming and headed my comment off at the pass. While men are indeed more violent than women it all seems extremely rational to me. We wage war and commit violence upon one another because we want what others have and (often mistakenly) believe our lives will be better if we try to take it by force, women on the other hand often seem content to live in silent misery themselves before attempting to assert their wills on others using force. Men are often stupider than women, but its comprehensible stupidity due to hubris.

To me the subjugation of women throughout the greater part of human history makes perfect sense... Who doesn't have a part of them that would greatly enjoy having total control over members of the opposite sex? Without the social morality that's now (hopefully) instilled in us at an early age and the existence of efficient means of disseminating information on how truly brutal said subjugation becomes in actual practice it would be alot easier for those with the power to oppress others to justify the oppression. It makes perfect sense to me although hopefully I'd be intelligent and empathetic enough not to do the same thing were i put in that position.

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I think we are geting more and more off-topic here, into the foggy realm of feminism and antifeminism... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif My point was that no matter was that bloodslave "he", "she", or "it" - that human was a hero, and has earned the right to be recognised by his God. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif Anybody objects to this statement? >;)

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I believe that most blood slaves are female for only the reason that you evicerate them, pour their blood onto a pyre or brazier and chant at it until something big, ugly, and built for killing happens to wander over with a cartoonlike waft of the smoke and pledges it's undying service to you.

Seems to fit both ideals to me.

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A blood slave is actually doubly female! For you lose 2 population when you create one slave. Perhaps the virgin's mother commits suicide when her daughter is taken into slavery??? Or the mother dies trying to free her daughter from the slave masters? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I wonder...

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Or, the troops helping collect the blood slaves, help themselves to the ones who weren't virgin enough?

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i'm well nigh certain that the garnets when they're gathering blood slaves aren't looking for the girls...

and that "disembowelling" isn't how they let the blood flow...

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What still puzzles me is that there were so many more bloodslaves in the battle than on the apprentices.... Has anyone else seen this happen?

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.. or maybe only pregnant virgins would do as a blood sacriface??? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif


Don't look at me, it is a fantasy world after all... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
Besides huge number of religions of the Ancient World had virgins giving birth, and Dom2 is all about religions... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif