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I'm sure that no one minds in the slightest that you've been a little late with turn files. After all, SEIV is just a game, and the real life and emotional health of you and your wife are much MUCH more important than any game. You have my support (though it means little) and I'm sure you have the support and sympathy of all the people who will take the time to read this thread.

Good luck with your battle, and I hope you will get a favorable ruling.

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I don't really know what to say.

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Thank you for your kind words, Renegade. Coming from one of youth, I can only say it's nice to see such mature words being typed.

You'll be married one day and maybe you'll feel what I'm feeling right now. Well, (smile), I can only hope you feel the love like I do but I hope you never have to go through this sort of thing.

As I asked a friend of mine, "Have you EVER loved someone so much that it seems you feel the pain they feel as if it were your very own?"

That's the way I feel. I can't sleep. I want to do SOMETHING! (and bless her heart, all she said tonight was for me to get my turns back on track...sigh...)

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Narf, my "web friend", the fact that you took time to comment even that small response was enough. I know you "battle" your own demons (sometimes). http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

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Go get 'em.....

Nothing worse than watching your loved ones in pain because of blatant hypocrisy and discrimination.

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Just about to turn off the PC (smile).

Yes, I'm tired. But committed to "weilding the pen". Thanks for your support...now...answer my questions so I can get Zeta done (LOL).

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I'm sure my missus won't mind me saying that she had a similar experience a while back. A fellow member of staff was following her around, trying to trap her in cupBoards and so on. She went through the (very stressful) complaint procedures, but never really received the support of the employers, and in the end she just left. The job just wasn't worth the hassle. As far as I know the sleaze is still working there (we did point out that he might be a threat to the patients, but it seems no-one wanted to cause a fuss) but his record has been blemished and female colleagues have been warned. He will at least have to be a little more careful in pursuing his next victim.

If he had ever actually laid hands on her, he would have been found floating face-down the next day.

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Wow.

I really hope things work out. And if they don't, I really hope you make 'em hurt.

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Sorry to hear about all this Slynky. I maybe only 18 and don't plan on marriage for a long time but i can certainly see why you would be angered by all this.

Normally I don't advocate too much revenge but I think you need to teach these people a lesson. Good Luck with your fight. Writing this out a Quote by Sheridan from B5 came to mind.

"Now, once we're in, we're in: no surrender, no retreat."

If that fails just threaten them by saying you have a Phased Polaron Beam Dreadnought about to glass their comapny HQ! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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Slynky, there is no need to apologise in the topic heading. I hope everything turns out for the best. I'm not a vengefull type person, but I am 'just', I hope justice prevails in your case.

Have a good day, Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Slynky,

Eager to help in all possible ways.

Do you have a lawyer? Many lawyers will work pro bono, especially if the case is so cut and dried as this sounds like it is.

Also, it sounds like you have threatened legal action, right? In my experience, some government agencies are very aware of the possible repercussions to legal action, so such threats work well - if you haven't done it already, I suggest it. Although it sounds like you have.

You don't even need a formal lawyer to work with you, just a relationship with one. For example, I have a standing arrangement with a good friend of mine who is a lawyer that he is "on retainer" to me - becuase I once a long time ago gave him a dollar. Ever since then, in the few cases where it was needed, he was willing to write and sign letters that end with his signature and "esq" - it's amazing how much a company jumps when they get a letter from a lawyer, even if no legal action results in the end.

Also, did you contact the EEOC? (Equal Employment Op Commission IIRC). I think they have good resources on this.

Actually, you've probably already done all this, eh?

There must be a lawyer group in GA that would be able to give you referrals as well...

Let me know if there is anything I can do up here. I'm in Norfolk, but can get to DC to get anything you might need.

I sympathize - my wife and I work for the Navy and, like you, I'm an old fart but my wife is young and hot, and, well, you can imagine the sh*t she puts up with at a Navy command...

Good luck and don't hesitate to ask for any favors!

(and, don't even THINK about doing Zeta turns until you feel like it! Yeesh, priorities!)

Alarik

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Gah, that's awful http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

It's a shame there are jerks out there who have to behave like this toward women, and even worse that they so often get away with it.

I remember my grandmother telling me about this sort of thing being done to her as a young woman, (sometime in the early 1930's), back when a woman had no recourse.

I certainly wish you a happy resolution to all this, and that the polecat in question may get his proper comeuppance.

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If you don't, get one. Before you do anything. Seriously.

Revenge is sweet, but has a tendency to come back and bite you on the arse. You may think you are helping, but you might end up getting your wife fired, yourself sued, and your wife's harrasser a promotion.

Good luck, Slynky.

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I agree there is NO place for someone to do that and get away with it! my Last job I replaced someone that was doing just that, the Co I went to work for had a zero tolerance (sp) rule on the books and was releast post hast. I say kick em where it counts! [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Hammer.gif[/img] [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Bullets.gif[/img] [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Grenade.gif[/img] [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Poison.gif[/img] read Sig http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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After having thought about a answer for quite a while, I am pleased to present my results: hardly anything at all.

So, I will merely wish you well in your fight Slynky, as I cannot really do anything else (except an attempt at levity perhaps). If all else fails, my Pandora vessel remains at your disposal as usual.

A bit more on topic: besides the harrasment itself, I must admit I am quite bothered about the "going part on a previous agreement" part as well. Not only is this simply going back to the same situation as before (despite what had happened back then, as it had been acknowledged with the first decision), but it is also carefully breaking the formal agreement made at that moment, without even making a meagre allusion to that previous decision of "moving the harrassing person somewhere else, to never, ever, been seen again". Are such decisions expected to "only Last until further notice, or when they are no longer convenient, whichever happens first", and I am simply being naïve?

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I wish you success in your battles. A friend of mine had a similar experiance, but it was more of a hazardous workplace than sexual. The only way to stop behavior like this is to fight it whenever and wherever it shows. Thanks for making the world a better place!

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Yeah, lots of times that is what happens. The female has to leave. It's a sad comment on life. What's weird is that it's understandable that men would just discard the idea of that kind of harassment (well, because there are too many men who think that kind of thing is OK) but, I'm surprised at the number of women who feel the same way. You would think they would feel some sort of affinity with their sex. Go figure.

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LOL...it actually feels like I'm approaching them with an Escort class ship.

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Thanks, David. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif I feel you are an honorable man and your comment shows it.

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alarikf:

I would post a quote but you typed such a long message http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif.

Mostly, moving to legal aid is just future option. Finding someone who will review the case and take it on a contingency fee is a possibillty. Also, thought about looking around for some assistance/advice from NOW (National Organization of Women). Problem is, we have some money saved up and to hire an attorney that we have to pay could turn out being the way that we lose our money...the very money we may need to help tide us over till she can find another job. Around $10K in the bank, but that can go quite quickly with the money the government can throw at the case. So, it's a tough decision and IF (still hoping the local management can come up with a solution) we don't get a just solution, well...I guess we will be looking at all we can do. Ultimately, she may just move on, like so many women do (and I hate that...but it's ultimately her choice). Today, we drove to work to turn in her laptop and files (that she uses when she had her work-at-home days). I told her to hold her head high and just walk into the office but when the elevator arrived at ground level, she started crying and couldn't get off. So, I told her to wait in the car while I turned it in.

I hate them for what they are doing to her!

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Thanks, Possum!

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Yes, this is true. I don't claim to be able to walk a "tight legal line" so before the website (and other avenues are looked into) gets "fleshed out", I'll consult. Also, since my job is in the same office as hers is, I realize I could get fired (and that would be a disaster having both of us out of work) so assuming she won't be working there after they can't come up with a just solution, she'll do the website and she can't be fired for it (since she will already be finished with them). Only remaining possibility is that there is some law (or government regulation) that prohibits any kind of revealations such as the website would be doing (and, therefore, there might be other consequences).

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As in any situation like this, things escalate if a satisfactory solution isn't reached. If it turns out that she gets the bad end of the "justice stick", then we'll escalate.

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This is one of the problems. For some strange reason, the outcome of her complaint years ago will not be given to her. All she was allowed to receive was a copy of her complaint. Seems funny (read: suspicious) to me. Like, the victim in a rape trial isn't allowed to see what the punishment was for the convicted rapist.

I know it's going to sound bad but since the guy who did this is black, his attorney is black, the judge is black, and the civil right/EEO officer in our office is black, well, you can imagine my worries as discrimmination and prejudice is NOT just a thing white people are quilty of.

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Thanks, Parasite!

Not that we are trying to make the world a better place (as we are really concerned about ourselves). However, every step taken to stop stuff like this is a step that ultimately helps stop it in a general way for people all over.

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Hang in there big guy. Good luck to you and the wife.

Can’t offer much advise though, as I live in the civilized part of the world where these things are handled properly, but if you want to resort to physical violence then I can let you borrow the trusted old rusty (yet pointy)™ spear http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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This is a terrible situation and I'm praying for a good outcome. I agree that you should be very careful about posting information to a web site. Definitely speak with an attorney before you do anything that you could regret later.

Although I have some trouble trusting people in the federal government (power corrupts), perhaps it would be worthwhile to speak with your congressman or senator about your problem. If they are honorable, they may be able to work behind the scenes to resolve the problem or put enough pressure on the agency to get the situation resolved satisfactorily.

May God give you strength and wisdom to deal with this situation...

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I agree with Greybeard, talk to some politician, all of them State and Federal (I would CC and e-mail to all of them, so they all see who you sent the e-mail too), hopefully you get a real reply from some of them, not an automated reply.

The good-ole-boy network with politician bugs me, but I swear it is horrid in Government agencies. They are mostly great employees but I wonder sometimes what a government employee has to do before the hammer comes down and they loose that job for life they have *shrug*.

I hope that you and your wife's gets through this in a positive manner, and hopefully going to an elected official, you will get quick results. If thing don't work out in that office, perhaps one of the politician could help move her to another department so she wont loose her benefits.

Also, as another person said, though I agree with you in principal that revenge is sweet, it will more than likely backfire on you in a bad way, even if you do no "wrong" they have the money to take you to court to drain you dry and they wont care if they loose, cause they know you don't have an endless pocket like they do. To us a football analogy, its usually not the guy that throws the first punch that get's the penalty called on them, it's the person that fights back. Use the legal and political route, and play it safe.

Good luck, and I do hope things work out the best they can. If not, move on the best you can, as long as you and your wife know you did the best you could, you will always be able to hold your head hi knowing that you are better than those scum. I believe in Karma, what goes around will come around, whether you see it or not, they will get what's coming to them sooner or later.

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Slynky,

In cases like this (discrimination et al by the government) there are undoubtedly going to be some lawyers who will take cases on pro bono (for free). Lawyers have to generally have a certain proportion of their cases done pro bono on a regular basis, and they often enjoy doing it. Especially in cases this cut and dried, becuase they get good exposure, experience, etc...so, I would really reccomend talking to local legal societies. They WILL have a list of lawyers who do pro bono work.

Also, all major cities have "legal aid societies" or the like which are free legal advice and assistance for people who can't afford lawyers. Find the one where you live, and talk to them. At the very least they will give you good advice and tell you what references you need to look at, and they will most likely also have a pro bono lawyer reference.

If you haven't taken any steps down this path, I really really reccomend it - it will prevent losses, headaches, and the appearance of "not doing all you could to rectify the situation before resorting to website slamming"

And, all it might take is one letter from one lawyer to work it all out. Get a lawyer. They're your friends in cases like this.

Good luck,

Alarik

EDIT:

Here's a number of hits for legal aid soceity in Atlanta:

http://www.google.com/local?q=legal+...p;near=Atlanta,+GA&radius=0&latlng=33748888,-84388055,9020620603199630990


Some snippets from it:


... Atlanta Legal Aid Society provides services only for residents of ... help outside Atlanta,
see Other Legal Resources, call our main office at (404) 524-5811, or e ...

http://www.law.emory.edu/PI/ALAS/departments.htm - Cached

Directory for LegalAid-GA

... Senior Citizens' Law Project) LSC LOGO 151 Spring Street NW, Atlanta, GA 30303
(404) 524 ... LegalAid-GA is a project of Atlanta Legal Aid Society, Georgia Legal ...

http://www.legalaid-ga.org/GA/StateD...%20/LoggedIn/0 - Cached

LawHelp State Directory Profile

... GA 30303 (404) 524-5811. This program helps with the following kinds of legal problems
[Click Here]: ... LegalAid-GA is a project of Atlanta Legal Aid Society, ...

http://www.legalaid-ga.org/GA/StateD...n/0/orgID/1404 - Cached

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Thanks for the info, alarikf.

Things are getting a bit more tense now as I was called into the office to be warned of being "punished" for my website and warned about some language I used in an email. Apparently, referring to this guy as a "convicted" sexual harasser is considered to be possibly slanderous/libelous. Hey, if the shoe fits...why can't we say it fits? Also, referring to him as an [censored] was deemed "inappropriate". It was suggested that I might be labeled a "disgruntled" employee and that steps taken with a disgruntled employee might be loss of network access or "escorted to the building entrance". Not sure if "disgruntled" employee is some sort of legal federal term or not, but to me, it means someone who is upset. Didn't know one could be fired for being upset.

Well...I guess we'll see what happens.

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Slynky,

Get a lawyer. Really. They are your friends. Check out legal aid society...Things have reached a point where you should do it at the very least to make sure that you don't say the wrong thing.