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Simple Answer, everytime they come here they find us either blowing each other up with Nukes, planning to blow each other up or they run into dumb hicks most of the time....


So why do you think they dont come here?

(This is assuming that they exist.)

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I saw a note about the ship they are about to drop onto Titan (a Saturn Moon) which has a fairly good chance of supporting life. They even allowed that "in the event that the lander becomes surrounded by aliens" they included a CD which will play wordless music by some french guys.

Now THAT is just plain MEAN. I dont mean the music, Im sure its fine. But if a probe landed here and made noise.. what would we do? We would spend years and a ton of money trying to decode it. Wordless music as a first contact message? Not cool guys.

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Well now Gandalf, that just begs the question, "If you have the technology to explore space beyond your own solar system, why do it?" You shouldn't be short of natural resources if you can do it, there should be abundant living space in your own system, you pretty much do it just to see whats out there. If there's sapient life on Titan, we've save them the trouble of starting a SETI program, at least.

I have SE4 inspired question now. Often, when you start a game, you find a system with one of those nice green star planets. Our solar system seems to lack that.

But if there was another rock oxygen planet here, how close would we be to establishing a colony? We don't have near the technology now, but if we had the incentive, would we be closer, or be there already?

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You related to SEIV so I give sort of an answer... In order for us to establish a colony the planet has to be nearly the same as ours.... ie needs to be in almost the same orbitial pattern aswell as tempture and most importantly nearly the same mass. If there is to much mass or to little we will either be extremely heavy or floating around.....Besides it would need a stable core and not to much volcanic activity....

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I don't know...Nothing Creates Survival of the Fitest like frequent Volcanic Activity http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Some will call this unethical, Some will call this genetic cleansing. I personally call it "Don't live near a smegging Volcano!" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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No, never live next a vulcano, your icecream will melt much too fast. And that would be a waste.

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My theory is that we're sort of a wilderness preserve. Pre-starflight technological civilizations are so rare that they're set aside for their scientists to study.

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No, the real reason is because the year isn't 2400 yet.

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The real reason is because the Raelians haven't finished building their compound yet.

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Why Aliens Do Not Come Here:

1. Because we make movies about them always being evil.
2. Because they know we will kill them and steal their technology
3. Becasue we engineered pond scum
4. Because we are the aliens to the aliens
5. There are no aliens

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Aliens are already here. Some of them are living in the secret base in Area 51. Others are disguised as humans and living among us. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/stupid.gif

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My theory: Aliens would have to be stupid to contact us. We're far too moronic as a whole to be worthy of contacting another race. Likely we'd be stupid and try to wipe them out.

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Renegade is correct. Weaker always resent stronger and try to find ways to overcome them (when speaking of humans). We would simply be afraid of them -> Fear leads to suspicion -> Suspicion to mistrust -> Conflicts -> Terror/pity war, etc. disastrous happening. Also, every time in human history when more advanced culture has been in contact with less advanced one (or with less ability to defend oneself) has proven disastrous to less advanced one. If I would be alien, I would propably do like Kevin Spacey in K-PAX (nice film) and use earth as "Natural park" where you can go to see how primitives are living (no offence, Primitive http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif ).

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As someone who on a number of occasions has explained my attitude towards aliens (to clarify I am a Xenophobe, with an emphasis on Xeno meaning space aliens) I won't take your comment to heart http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif. I agree however that making a snap judgement is dangerous, better to wait a few hundred years till our technology is superior then exterminate them.

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No no. Most of the evil alien movies were prior to Rockwell. Since then the government has been secretly funding shows and movies which
A) show friendly aliens
or
B) aliens which are protecting us from aliens
or
C) show secret government organizations which have been in contact with aliens and having good results
or
D) show the wonders which we can achieve if we allow aliens to help us into space travel

This is all a long term plan to move us from the reaction we would have had back then, to one of "oh it really has been that way. Oh well."
I better post this now, I hear helicopters.

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Lol, no offense was intended http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif I wasn't really referring to people who genuinely think aliens were meant to be wiped out (xenophobes), I was mostly referring to the people who, through ignorance not rational thought, freaked out and went on a killing spree. But seriously, think of how people deal with people of other races than their own. Genocide. Would we, as a whole, do any different if an entirely separate species came into contact with us?? I think not.

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Thumbs up to Karibu http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif K-Pax is an Incredible film!

Also, I believe that if a lesser advanced culture comes into contact with a more advanced one, the advanced one gets contaminated by the lesser one's primitiveness http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif Thats why aliens keep clear from us http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smirk.gif

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I figure aliens don't come here because they are cubs fans.

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Why would aliens bother to contact us? The cost would be huge and the returns few. IMHO we would be nothing more than an academic exorcize for them. They would study us without contact. Contact would ruin their results. As for us finding earth like planets and colonizing space, that’s not likely either. If they were afraid of us, then they could just drop a big rock on us, end of story. But, if they wanted this world for their own use, then they just need to wait a few more decades and they can just occupy it when we exhaust the resources. But probably they will just study us as it is unlikely that they could live here without reengineering themselves. We can barely deal with small changes in the life that exists on this world. Influenza being an example. What would happen if we set foot on a planet that had a whole biosphere that was unknown to our immune systems? And as to mining and manufacturing, who would be able to afford the products and resources. We can’t make use of many of the resources that we have now because of the recovery and transportation costs. And unless two things happen very soon, we are probably at our high water mark for this society. We need a new source of energy and a reduction in population growth. And we need both very soon.

World demand for oil is greater than production today, and demand will continue to outpace supply for the foreseeable future. There is probably one more big production kick left in world reserves, but at current use levels we will burn through that in less than 50 years. Now I can hear many of you thinking that new technology will take care of this. But this has yet to be the case. The only thing that is ready to go now is nuclear power generation. And we all know the pros and cons of this, so I will skip the discussion. Fusion, hydrogen, and natural sources such as wind and water current all will need a technical breakthrough to be feasible. The only promising new technology at this time is magnetic flux, which is in its infancy. We will need a new source of cheap energy to continue or current rate of development. You can add to that the need for it to be clean energy.

The second problem is the success we have had as a species. If population growth continues at the current rate, we will soon be little more than locusts. We will strip the planet bare. Our current system for feeding the masses relies on cheap energy. Take away the cheap food and people would be starving now. Add this to the effect we are having on the environment and the problem just gets worse. The results of this are already being seen across the world. Although very few people are will to publicly address this issue.

We have already seeing the first conflicts for control of energy reserves. The deal just inked between Iran and China almost guarantees that Japan will have to secure reserves else ware. And to add to their problems, I doubt that Alaskan oil will continue to be shipped to Asia much beyond the end of the current contracts. At $50 dollars a barrel it becomes economical to ship it to the lower 48. This will rekindle the competition for the oil known to be in the South China Sea. And, if Saudi reserves prove to be vapor, as it is beginning to appear, then the problem arrives much sooner.

As a society, we are probably a real good case study. And if there are advanced beings out there, they would probably spend some resources to document our rise and fall. A society that fell victim to our own biological success. In a way, it would be like us studying the fall of the Roman Empire, or contemplating the demise that ended the great societies that once thrived in SE Asia and Africa. Now perhaps the aliens could announce themselves and offer us the technology to produce cheap renewable energy. Give us access to the stars. But I doubt it. I fail to see how that could be in their best interests. At our current level of evolution, I can imagine what we would end up doing with such technology. And perhaps it is not just an issue of evolution. Perhaps it is our very success as a species that would prevent them from doing so. Should we be able to adapt to living on alien worlds, how long would it take us to out grow our welcome? A long time by our measure, but perhaps only a blink of an eye to the way a superior society viewed time.

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LMAO

LMMFAO

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My reply to the topic is that it is really, really, far. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif

Thermo, you forget to mention biomass, which is a good renewable alternative to consider to displace the use of fossil fuels.

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I know why aliens will not visit us... They were given poor directions and ended up on the otherside of the galaxy. They are now out of gas and stranded. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

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Aliens with Interstellar Travel but run out of gas for travelling in the Wrong Direction? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

Oh God, i can see it now.

Three Eyed Aliens from the Alabama quadrent!
Disclaimer: No Offence Intended to those from Alabama, or Three eyed people http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

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I would die laughing if this turned out to be the case.

Rasorow

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Interesting question. Some thoughts:
1) You assume that it is possible to have two stable Earthlike planets around one star. May not be true.
2) Is there life on that other planet? The dominant opinion nowadays seems to be that liveable planets will automatically have life. This is by inference from Earth, where life exists in every ecological niche that is conceivably liveable (as well as in many niches that we thought were not liveable). However, the data from Earth may be unrepresentative.
3) Is it possible for a planet to be livable (for humans) without an already-existing biosphere? I would guess "no."
4) If there is a biosphere on that planet, would it be right for us to go there at all, much less colonize it? Would orgs like the Sierra Club put up a huge fight to prevent it? My guess is that, regardless of morality or scientific ideals, there is no way in the world that you could keep nations from setting up research colonies at least and that these would gradually become intrusive. Example is Antarctica.
5) If there is a biosphere on that planet, would it be compatible with us? It could be amazingly similar, yet the amino acids and sugars might all have the wrong chirality. (Hmmm...none of it would be digestible. Earth Lite?)
6) What about the problem of non-indigenous organisms being accidentally transferred? And you thought zebra mussels and kudzu were bad!
7) I think we have the technology now, and I think we'd colonize it. Absolutely.
8) Someone should invent a computer game where our solar system captures a liveable planet (or two). Like "Alpha Centauri," but the home planet is still very much part of the game. (Anyone know if AC can be modded to do that?) Actually, "Conquest of the New World" was somewhat like that, except that of course it was historical not sci-fi.

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If there was a planet that could support human life in our system we could colonize it. If nothing there was edible, at least we'd be able to transplant our own flora there. If it would support human life I can't think of any reason it wouldn't support other earth species. So you might be talking about a period of terraforming, but it would probably only be a few years before a small colony there could be self-sufficent. Perhaps only a single growing season.

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Heh are you freakin kidding if we had a rock oxygen world in this system aside from Earth Morality would go right out the window when people realize the raw materials you can get from a whole new untouched world.

Mining Companies would probobly send up teams immedietly

Some "religious nuts" might see it as a new Eden or something and go there to get away from the rest of humanity.

Scientists would surely go (probobly first)

The military would DEFINATELY GO as a whole new world may not be given up without a fight by some countries (I can think of a few that would probobly start a war over it but I won't list them)

And not to mention countries like China and India who's populations double every fifty years (You'd think they never heard of birth control) would probobly be the first to send up people in their thousands (or even millions) as they are desperate for any real estate they can get their hands on.

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Starhawk:
China actualy has a birthcontrol law act.
You are not allowed to have more than two children. If you are a single mother/father you are not allowed to have more than one child.

Warmonger countries; yeah you're probabely right about the war thingie. Some countries never learn to peacefully coexist.
To wander a little bit, I don't think global peace will never come. We might have a slight change at worldpeace when all religions would be banished. But that isn't a viable option.

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China had a fertility rate of about 1.8 child per woman in 2000; not enough to double population every fifty years, especially as this number is decreasing. The United States actually have a slightly higher fertility rate (2 children per woman or so), in the upper average of developed countries.

India has been trying to reduce its population growth as well (a bit less than 3 children per woman Last time I heard), but setting up birth control is easier said than done (mainly in rural communities). If you want countries where population is increasing by twofold every thirty or forty years, you should see the figures for poor African countries instead, and definitively not China.

Edit: At Last, I found the compared growth rates for China and the United States. The US is expected to have a growth rate of about 0.9% this year, while China is expected to be around 0.5%/0.6% (it was at about 0.9% in 2001, and slightly above 1% the Last decade).

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Civilization II Test of Time does that. It can have up to 4 maps in one game. There is an "extended original game" mode, where once you build a spaceship, you get to land on and colonize Alpha Centauri, all while maintaining your nation on Earth. There can even be an alien race living there, which would have grown without any competition (or interaction) with other civilizations until you get there.

There is a "science fiction" mode of play where two species sent colony ships that crash landed on a planet, humans and some aliens (I forget their name). You can eventually send units up to orbital platforms over this world that were constructed by a long extinct race. Later, you can send units to a Mars-like planet. Lastly, you can send units to a gas giant that has platforms of solid hydrogen, also constructed by that long extinct aliean race.

Finally, there is a "fantasy" mode of play, where the 4 maps represent the surface layer of the world, a subterranean layer of caves, the sea floor, and a cloud layer. You can play as elves, humans, hawkmen, merfolk, goblins, etc.

Incidentally, this is part of why Civilization III sucks so much... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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Apparently, I have to repeat myself. 1: Stalin and Hitler were atheists. I'm judging by their actions. 2: The enslavement of black people was supported by the scientific establishment of the time, which deemed them evolutionary throwbacks. 3: People tend to support whatever theory allows them to feel good about their already existing prejudices. 4: Religeon was the motivating factor behind the establishment of the first country to try for the goal of equality for all it's people, however blinded they were by their prejudices. 'One nation under God'.

I get really annoyed when people propose simplistic solutions to complex problems.

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I'm sorry religion is not actually the main cause of war so that's not even worth mentioning, as mentioned MANY times most of the "real" Modern wars (I mean ones involving whole countries and not just individual tribes fighting one another which Last i heard falls under the catagory of "Conflicts other then war)have been caused over the desire for Raw materials, land and other resources.
Banishing all religion would NOT bring peace at all, especially since nation's that have "Banned" religion have simply taken up humanistic "divinity" as their new dogma, or used the ban on religion as an excuse for promoting their own dogma.
Basically religion as the cause of all war is just an excuse atheists use to make those with religious belief look bad. (aside from the 7day war I mean point out a war now a days caused by religious beliefs? (seriously if there is a war I don't know about point it out I'm willing to listen)

A unified world government would probobly require the unification of the super powers first (AKA China and the US would have to ally) and then most likely a big nasty war to get rid of those irritating nationalist Groups that would no doubt pop up when you tried to take over their country either by economic or military preasure. Ah hell I'm going to start a thread on this http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif read that to see the rest of this hehe.

Oh and I probobly misunderstood the whole Chinese population growth thing I know that at one point in history their population doubled every fifty years.

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Same with everywhere else in the world, especially as various agricultural and industrial revolutions occured...

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Yeah but China has a HUGE population so them doubling is scary.

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If you were speaking of the Last fifty years, your statement was indeed correct. China had fewer than 600 million inhabitants in the 1953 census (how reliable this census was is another matter), but more than 1,250 million inhabitants in 2000 (the figure is now estimated to be slightly under 1,3000 million), which would be a twofold increase in roughly fifty years. During this period, China had a growth rate around 2% per year, and the number of children per woman was much higher, especially before 1975.

My point was that China's population growth is decreasing nowadays, making a twofold increase in fifty years no longer possible (with the current trends that is). How quickly will their growth slow down is another question; the estimated value for 2004 is 0.57%, which seems quite low compared to the 1% of the previous years (or 0.9% in 2001). But predicting the future is not something I will try. I have read about estimates going from 1,400 million inhabitants to 1,600 before their population growth stops (once again with the present tendencies).

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Yeah but I've also run across articles and the like that say by 2057 Africa's population will be less then 100 million due to AIDS and other stuff, I don't know how some "scientists" come up with such projections but it just doesn't sound right an entire Continent reduced to 100 million people.

Anyone got any real info on the Africa thing because as I said many times before i love learning the "facts" of things I've read about so if you'd like you can PM me with the info http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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I would believe AIDS to be particularly devastating because it is easily transmitted to offsprings, which will carry the virus themselves, and so on. That is closer to biology though, and not exactly my field of study, so I should keep quiet here.

Add to that the usual problems (wars, corruption, not so nice leaders, malnutrition, shortage of water...), and you could reach a very bleak projection. Of course, it would not be possible to know whether these problems will be so worse as to destroy Africa's population, or if the very high number of children per woman will be enough, or... The growth rate was still positive Last year (2.3%), and you would probably need dramatic events in the future to bring the 840 million inhabitants of Africa down to 100 millions in fifty years (not the kind of things I would like to see myself).

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Palestinians and Israelis fight over "holy land" among other things.

Islamic fundamentlist extremists (note the extremist qualifier) fly planes into buildings, blow themselves up in malls, cars, and anywhere else they can cause a lot of pain.

And that's just off the top of my head without going very far back. You can't simply ignore the violence done by those claiming to be "doing god's work".

Religion, money/trade, resources, and survival. These are all primary causes for war. Any war can be put into one or more of these four boxes.

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No. Fundamentalist propaganda. Not sure about Stalin, but here's Hitler, http://www.creationtheory.org/Morality/Hitler.shtml

Its a good site too, should be required reading lol.

Brian

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Oh yeah and we all know atheistic governments have proven themselves totally worthwhile and innocent (gag)

Stalin=Atheist (his only "spiritual" beleif was that humanity in and of it's self was some sort of divinity unless of course they were peasents who died in their millions for him)
Hitler=Occultist (the occult is not a religion)
Chinese Leaders=Atheist (China Banned religion and the state line is Atheism)
PRK Leaders= Atheist (Same deal as China)

Yeah and we all know just how caring and loving these people are don't we?

It is a foolish and ignorant thing to blame the problems of the world on religion, trust me if there was no religion I'd still hate you for some reason if I wanted to. :p

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Religion has no place in government. Period. Religion in government will _always_ lead to unfair treatment of those that are not of that religion, and favoritism for those that are of that religion. It is why the US was supposed to have a complete and total separation of church and state...

See the link that Brianeyci posted. Hitler was a Catholic, not an occultist...

Religion is not required for morality. Assuming that it is just plain wrong. Atheism is not immoral. Atheists are not immoral. Religious people are not moral. Some people are both religious and moral, certainly, but there are plenty that are religious and immoral. There really is no correlation between morality and piety.

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Your right about the fact that government and religion have no place together.

Uhm okay then how come every history show I've ever seen and book I've ever read said he was deep into the occult? And how come he Banned religion then? you can't be a catholic in a state where religion is Banned.

Yes but religion is not the cause of all the world's wars and crap.

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Hitler did not ban religion... Pure revisionism. Read the link that Brianeyci posted.

http://www.creationtheory.org/Morality/Hitler.shtml

Nobody said that. It is one of the common causes, not the sole cause, or always a cause.

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Direct qoute from that site.

Religeon is merely a system of belief in some sort of higher power, because of personal choice and sometimes personal evidence, even if there is no demonstratable, scientific evidence. It does not necessarily lead to totoleranism, or mass-murder, or the breakdown of rationality, or any of these other ridiculous charges that are routinely levied at it.

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Blanket solutions annoy and alarm me. I apologize if I've hurt anyone's feelings.

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Ahem a problem I spotted right off is that the "school children" of 1930s germany couldn't have grown up to be the SS of WWII as most would have been younger then 18.
Oh and the fact that there were actually TWO branches of

"The term "Waffen SS" did not come into use until after the beginning of the war. Up to that time there were two branches of the SS composed of full-time, professional, well- trained soldiers: the so-called SS Verfuegungstruppe, translatable perhaps as "SS Emergency Troops"; and the SS Totenkopf Verbaende, the "Death Head Units." After the beginning of the war, the units of the SS Verfuegungstruppe were brought up to division strength, and new divisions were added to them. Moreover, parts of the SS Death Head Units were formed into a division, the SS Totenkopf Division. All these divisions then came to be known collectively as the "Waffen SS". "

Many of which were drafted from nations other then Germany, a great many of the others were prisoners or "idealists" who liked the handsom SS uniforms that made young girls swoon instead of the normal German army grunts.


As to Hitler and religion look here:
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=Cache:v5Rb7oIFGxwJ:constitutionalistnc.tr ipod.com/hitler-leftist/id13.html+%27The+religion+of+the+Nazi+party"&h l=en
as well as some other interesting stuff.

Your link sounds like it is desperately trying to turn about the common belief that Hitler and the Nazi's were occultist in their views to make people beleive that it was Religion's fault so I don't much take that one guy's article over so many history books and shows I've watched and read.

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That's what I thought too until I read this (also from the guy that made that website, I'm sure he won't mind if I quote him),

The message is from http://bbs2.stardestroyer.net/Archiv...c&start=50 . If you want to debate him on that point, go there, I'm not him. But after reading his stuff I do agree with a lot of what he says, and his forum is an incredibly intelligent and eye-opening community.

<edit> It should be noted that his forum isn't a kiddie forum. What I mean by that is that if you are a moron (as I was and still consider myself am, although I'm trying my best to beef up), you'll be quickly exposed and mocked per the forum's policy. That's what I mean by eye-opening -- I needed an eye-opener or I would have been a moron my whole life. Swearing, and even porn links. But as he said (I'm paraphrasing here), better to sacrifice civility than promote stupidity. </edit>

Brian

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I'm not exactly sure how this conversation on why aliens don't come here devolved into one about religion....

To bring it a little bit more on topic, I'll just say that pointless debates such as these are the reason why aliens don't contact us. Why the hell would they want to talk to a people who are so fragmented, and so vehement in their beliefs, and unwilling to change their opinion unless directly confronted with massive proof that contradicts what they believe?? Hmmmm, yes, very difficult indeed to understand why aliens don't want to come here....we probably have a big note attached to the file of humanity in some alien's database: "Caution: Do not approach. Dangerous animals."

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Theological monotheistic religion, based on the recorded revelations of long-dead "prophets", is the worst thing that has ever happened to mankind. It has a natural tendency toward intolerance (someone who believes in a different god must, by definition, by denying the truth of my monotheism, so there is a conflict that would not exist if I was polytheistic), and it resists progress in all its forms by making ancient writings the ultimate and immutable authority.

In essence, scriptural religions are plagued not only with human flaws, but the human flaws of primitive humans from thousands of years ago.


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Oh yeah he's a non-biased source of historical information (rolleyes) folks like him scare off aliens no doubt I mean what if the aliens are creationists? this jackass would make them sick no doubt.

Anyway I just think if there are aliens they really don't give a crap about us as a culture because we can't even prove they are there I think once we can prove they are there and pretty much smack em upside their grey heads they'll start talking but until then we just aren't that interesting.

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Well no. I was not quoting him to talk about aliens, but about religion in general. And better a "jackass" and offend some people than to hide behind a shield of civility I think. Anyway back on topic, I don't know how this thread turned into religion either.

My two cents on the aliens thing is one word -- Why? Why would aliens want to contact us? That's the most basic question, and every answer I can think of revolves around "they find us interesting" which is an incredibly self-centered and egocentric justification. Since I can't even answer the Why question, I don't think I can carry on the discussion further.

Brian