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narf poit chez BOOM December 7th, 2004 01:50 AM

OT: What\'s your religeon?
 
I think the forums mature enough. No converting, no arguements, just what you believe.

Me, I'm a member of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter-Day Saints, normally shortened to Mormon, but that's not the proper name. We send out those nice young men who all have the first name of 'Elder' http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Renegade 13 December 7th, 2004 03:02 AM

Re: OT: What\'s your religeon?
 
I have no religion. I used to be of a religion that it seems nearly everyone hates, but I abandoned it about 10 months ago. 3 guesses as to what it was.

Starhawk December 7th, 2004 03:20 AM

Re: OT: What\'s your religeon?
 
Quote:

narf poit chez BOOM said:
I think the forums mature enough. No converting, no arguements, just what you believe.

Me, I'm a member of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter-Day Saints, normally shortened to Mormon, but that's not the proper name. We send out those nice young men who all have the first name of 'Elder' http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Nah if you really want publicity you should send out the cute teenage girls in skirts like the Jehova's lol.

Seriously though I am a Christian of no particular denominational background in my personal beliefs (though for simplicity's sake I am a Presbyterian.

Randallw December 7th, 2004 03:42 AM

Re: OT: What\'s your religeon?
 
Well since we're discussing it and I see no reason to hide it. I am Catholic.

bearclaw December 7th, 2004 04:14 AM

Re: OT: What\'s your religeon?
 
Buddist. For nearly 7 years now. My father-in-law is an English ex-patriot who is now retired in India. He visits us once a year and always brings me something from the temples around where he lives.

Spoo December 7th, 2004 04:15 AM

Re: OT: What\'s your religeon?
 
Quote:

Randallw said:
Well since we're discussing it and I see no reason to hide it. I am Catholic.

Me too.

You should have made a poll, Narf.

Kevin Arisa December 7th, 2004 04:41 AM

Re: OT: What\'s your religeon?
 
Quote:

Starhawk said:
Nah if you really want publicity you should send out the cute teenage girls in skirts like the Jehova's lol.


LOL! What a hilarious observation. Maybe I find it so funny because I AM one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I'll have to let my sister know how much cuteness and skirts help. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

Ed Kolis December 7th, 2004 05:16 AM

Re: OT: What\'s your religeon?
 
Raised Catholic... couldn't stand it, became atheist or agnostic depending on my mood at the time http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

<random pertinent monty python quote>"Pie Iesu Domine... WHAP! Dona Eis Requiem... WHAP!</python> http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Grauzone December 7th, 2004 07:00 AM

Re: OT: What\'s your religeon?
 
have no religion

Raging Deadstar December 7th, 2004 07:18 AM

Re: OT: What\'s your religeon?
 
Quote:

Renegade 13 said:
I have no religion. I used to be of a religion that it seems nearly everyone hates, but I abandoned it about 10 months ago. 3 guesses as to what it was.

I can think of a few.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

I'm also of No relgion, My family have never really been that way inclined...

Footnote: When Both of your parents are Bikers and your Dad is president of a bike group called 'Devils Disciples' it stands as no suprise http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

Emperor Fritsch the Dense December 7th, 2004 07:32 AM

Re: OT: What\'s your religeon?
 
Agnostic, wife and the kids Wiccan
Emperor Fritsch the Dense

David E. Gervais December 7th, 2004 08:08 AM

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I believe in God, not Religion. (and no they are not the same)

Post edited and deleted to avoid confusion.

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Randallw December 7th, 2004 08:19 AM

Re: OT: What\'s your religeon?
 
Quote:

David E. Gervais said:
People that follow any Religion are insane.

Anyway, it's early here, I just got up, and I'm sorry for the rant.



Apology accepted, but I hope this does not bode ill for the future of this thread.

Starhawk December 7th, 2004 08:51 AM

Re: OT: What\'s your religeon?
 
{me} I am not insane
{voice in head) Are you sure?
(me) YES! I'm sure, and I've told you to be quiet
(alternate voice in head) Yeah shut yur gab! hey Starhawk let's burn the place down
(me)Hey Freddy how are yah? hmmm I don't have any matches
(Freddy) Here yah go
(me) Thanks-sound of match being struck- WAHAHAH LOOK AT IT BURN!

Sorry it's early here too and mainly when people insult my religion I just take it with a grain of salt, though LOL I've been told I'm going to hell by more then a few "prim and propers" because of the fact that I often discuss herb lore, religion and politics with a Neo-Pagan girl (in actuality she seems moer agnostic to me but either way she knows my religious beliefs and actually said that I am one of the few Christians she has been able to talk to as most just jump right into telling her "Your going to hell".

Anyway though my "religion" is Christianity I see that more as a simplified term for my religious beliefs, I love God and know he is there and watching out fo me even when he allows bad sh!t to happen (which is a lot lately lol) but I also don't fully swallow the "church" party line that if you don't worship him in their exact way you go to hell.
First off God in the bible never said that you go to hell just because you worship him in a different manner then Jews or Christians (at the time just Jews as Christianity actually rose Post biblical era during the era where Rome was falling from power). And I mean what right do I have to say your going to hell just because you are "atheist" or "agnostic"?
Especially since I've met people of no religion that are far better human beings then some Christians that I've met I mean I knew this one guy that has LITERALLY given the shirt off his back to help out a friend and he was actually owed 2,000 DOLLARS by friends who he had helped out of financial troubles (no he wasn't rich but he was living off a diet of breads and water for two weeks) but he was not a Christian, so he goes to hell because of that? I'm sorry I don't think God would do that.

Now I don't believe everyone goes to heaven by a long shot! I've met people that are hellbound by any religion that beleives in hell because they are such slugs (and one or two of them were "christians" but I also don't think "the church" has the only say in who goes to heaven and who goes to hell.
My parents are "recovering catholics" as they like to say lol (ex-catholic) and "The Church" turned my dad into an atheist and my mother into a Massianic Jew until they met one another, and my mother switched over to a Christian church (it was less of a culture shock for my athiest father) when she tried to introduce him to God again....and it worked he's been a Christian for almost 13 years now. But anyway I wandered off topic, the overly strict and dogmatic "Catholic Church" has created more athiests and God haters then any other religion I've met heh. (I have absolutely no problem with Catholics themselves it's just "The Church" in my opinion is a greedy corrupted shadow of it's former self (it started during the book burnings and inquisition and spiraled down from there).


Well to Summarize: I beleive "God" (as no one knows his true name and God is just a title rather then a name) is in most "true religions" (this new age crap of wooo boogie boogie I can become God! or LOL God's AN ALIEN that's priceless! is just crap imho)whether you Call him God, Jehova, Yahweh, or Allah God is God and man can't change that (though there are parts of those religions mentioned I fundamentally disagree with it is still not my place to say they are going to hell.


OH and interesting little footnote in the Bible many theologians say that hell is not a place of "Torture" but rather a place of "torment" which in Greek aparently meant two very different things.
Basically if they are right in their interpretation then Hell is pretty much a place where for eternity you know that God is there and you will never reach him and never be with him, and instead you will live in eternity in a place that is pretty much "earth" where you can feel pain, get sick, and suffer but that is not to say your entire existance will be spent in physical pain sickness and agony.
The one theologian who's name I can't remember at the moment said God pretty much said "Fine you want to ignore me and do your own thing, you can do it for eternity." and so those people who wanted to "do their own thing" will have to put up with inperfection for eternity.

Another interesting viewpoint is that "hell" and "the lake of fire" are actually two different places, the "lake of fire" vision of hell will come during the end times, where God will give those lost souls one Last chance at judgement and those he deems redeemed will be allowed into heaven while those who are deemed unclean in the end will be cast into the lake of fire where they will suffer physical pain for eternity.


Either way I hope God doesn't send me to hell like those jerkwad goody two shoes folks told me because either vision of hell is not very pleasent in my opinion.

Randallw December 7th, 2004 08:55 AM

Re: OT: What\'s your religeon?
 
ah well it was nice while it Lasted http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/fear.gif

Starhawk December 7th, 2004 08:59 AM

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It was not my intent to start a debate or argument okay you guys I'm just saying my beliefs and you are welcome to your own http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif even if you believe in "The divine squirrel"

Oh P.S. according to those same "prim and propers" my parents would be going to hell to because they encouraged me to date the neo-pagan since she and I have so much in common hehe (I moved to slow and she got asked out by someone else but I still find her an entertaining friend.)

Rasorow December 7th, 2004 09:18 AM

Re: OT: What\'s your religeon?
 
Methodist, Charismatic, smige of Luthern, and dash of Non-Denominational Christian.....

Rasorow

minipol December 7th, 2004 09:58 AM

Re: OT: What\'s your religeon?
 
Raised Catholic, no religion now. I don't believe in a God.

dogscoff December 7th, 2004 11:42 AM

Re: OT: What\'s your religeon?
 
Atheist, although I have been known to make the odd sacrifice to Odin, just to be awkward more than anything else.

Oh, and when the national census forms came round a few years ago, I put down "Jedi Knight" for religion. A few hundred thousand other ppl did the same, and now it's officially recognised as a religion by the UK government. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

geoschmo December 7th, 2004 11:58 AM

Re: OT: What\'s your religeon?
 
Quote:

dogscoff said:
Atheist, although I have been known to make the odd sacrifice to Odin.

Heretic, don't you know that Odin requires all sacrifices to be even? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Cheeze December 7th, 2004 12:56 PM

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How can you play SEIV and deny the existence of God, who makes the talisman NEVER miss? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Truly, your cities shall burn with vengeful fire!

TurinTurambar December 7th, 2004 01:15 PM

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FIERCELY Lutheran! (of the "hardcore" WELS type)

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif Turin

Glyn December 7th, 2004 01:53 PM

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I don’t believe we are having this discussion!!!

See Last Tuesday God got feed up with us and destroyed everything. Then, two weeks later he has a change of mind and recreates everything as it would have been if he had never destroyed us in the first place. (Including the missing two weeks.)

So, in reality we are not having this conversation.


It could happen; the power of creation implies the power of destruction and recreation.



BTW: agnostic

Spoo December 7th, 2004 02:08 PM

Re: OT: What\'s your religeon?
 
Quote:

Glyn said:
I don’t believe we are having this discussion!!!

See Last Tuesday God got feed up with us and destroyed everything. Then, two weeks later he has a change of mind and recreates everything as it would have been if he had never destroyed us in the first place. (Including the missing two weeks.)

So, in reality we are not having this conversation.


It could happen; the power of creation implies the power of destruction and recreation.



BTW: agnostic

However, it is not unreasonable to assume:

A) You exist.

B) Everyone else also exists.

C) Your memories (especially recent ones) are valid.

For example, I remember that I'm supposed to go to a meeting now. Since I exist, and the people at the meeting exist, I'd better get going, since I remember that they will be displeased if I am late.

Now, it may turn out that my car has been replaced with a wedding cake, and when I get to the place of the meeting I realize that I am the only person in the world. I may even realize that I am but a dream of the of the aforementioned wedding cake. Nonetheless, skipping the meeting for fear of yeilding my existance to a cake would be a poor excuse. Ergo, it is best to assume A,B, and C.

dmm December 7th, 2004 02:55 PM

Re: OT: What\'s your religeon?
 
Evangelical Christian. Big surprise, huh? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

A (very) short synopsis of my beliefs, for those who are interested:
Not quite as open-minded as Starhawk, but he makes some good points. On the one hand, Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." That's pretty exclusive, and so it motivates me to try to convince others to become Christians, with no apologies. But Jesus also told the parable (prophecy?) of the sheep and the goats, where people are separated at the end of time for either eternal punishment or eternal reward, and the sole criterion is whether or not they ministered to the needs of people around them. That's pretty inclusive. It makes me remember that I'm not going to be the one in charge on Judgment Day, and I'm not in charge of others, but I am in charge of what I do now with what I've been given, and I will be held accountable. Lastly, the Bible teaches that all are saved by grace not works. That's a good thing because, although I look pretty holy compared to some jerks I know, compared to what I know I ought to be and could be I am pretty slimey.
Anyway, if you've gotten this far, thanks for listening. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Ragnarok December 7th, 2004 03:20 PM

Re: OT: What\'s your religeon?
 
Quote:

Kevin Arisa said:
Quote:

Starhawk said:
Nah if you really want publicity you should send out the cute teenage girls in skirts like the Jehova's lol.


LOL! What a hilarious observation. Maybe I find it so funny because I AM one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I'll have to let my sister know how much cuteness and skirts help. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

That is indeed an interesting observation. I find it interesting for the same reason as Kevin...

capnq December 7th, 2004 06:09 PM

Re: OT: What\'s your religeon?
 
Lutheran. (ELCA, for those who think it matters.)

TerranC December 7th, 2004 08:03 PM

Re: OT: What\'s your religeon?
 
Christian; Protestant; apparently Pentecostal.

Combat Wombat December 7th, 2004 08:42 PM

Re: OT: What\'s your religeon?
 
Catholic here too

Renegade 13 December 7th, 2004 10:59 PM

Re: OT: What\'s your religeon?
 
Quote:

Kevin Arisa said:
Quote:

Starhawk said:
Nah if you really want publicity you should send out the cute teenage girls in skirts like the Jehova's lol.


LOL! What a hilarious observation. Maybe I find it so funny because I AM one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I'll have to let my sister know how much cuteness and skirts help. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

I used to be one of them. I was raised in the religion, and left it shortly before I turned 17. I now officially have no religion.

Colonel December 7th, 2004 11:45 PM

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The closest reilgon to what I beileve would most likely be Christian. However I believe little if any of what I have heard is in the bible-never read it, except Revalations but that talks of the end of the world and that is just cool.-lol. Actually I read that bit after watching the Omen

brianeyci December 8th, 2004 12:45 AM

Re: OT: What\'s your religeon?
 
Humanist.

bearclaw December 8th, 2004 01:56 AM

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Quote:

brianeyci said:
Humanist.

Very good reading! As a Buddist I wholeheartedly agree with everything Humanists stand for. But could you call it a religion? No offense intended, just clarification.

Fyron December 8th, 2004 02:06 AM

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Can you really call Buddhism a religion? Is it not more of a "spiritual philosophy" than a "religion?"

bearclaw December 8th, 2004 02:28 AM

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what would be the differance between a spiritual philosophy and a religion?

Dictionary.com defines Religion as:


1) Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
2) A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3) A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
4) A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

While definition 1 doesn't apply to Buddisim, the others do. So yeah, by this I would call Buddisim a religion.

Fyron December 8th, 2004 02:55 AM

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Atheism is also technically a "religion"... I was thinking primarily along the lines of that first definition and the second (which doesn't really apply to Buddhism very well, as it is practically the same as the first, just an officially organized Version). The "spiritual philosophy" to which I refered would be along the lines of 3 and 4, without 1 or 2. Buddhism is about attaining enlightenment through perfection of the mind and such, which doesn't fit the typical concept of "religion" very well.

According to number 4, playing SE4 is a religion. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

bearclaw December 8th, 2004 03:28 AM

Re: OT: What\'s your religeon?
 
Buddism has an organized system, but I see your point.

Hmmm, Buddist/SEIVist?

Come on everyone, chant with me: Mineral planets are best. Beware Strange Warp Points, Amen.

Aiken December 8th, 2004 04:35 AM

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Welcome to Se4ct http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Will December 8th, 2004 06:53 AM

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Atheist. Although I have been associated with Humanist Groups before (and still am, loosely).

I was sort-of raised Presbyterian, but after my grandmother moved away around when I was 8 or 9, most of the religious pressure was removed, and I realized I didn't really believe all that stuff that was taught in church, and that a lot of it seemed really absurd. A few years later I discovered there was such a thing as Atheism, after a girl that went to my future high school brought in the ACLU to stop requiring graduating seniors to go to a pre-graduation ceremony at the church next to the school, and to stop prayers during graduation. And there was much gnashing of teeth... same as when I made it known that I had the same beliefs as she did. Follow up with five years of basically being shunned when I wasn't being "converted". The entire experience has left me less than enthused about the concept of Christianity in general, but more specifically of the evangelical variety. I have since come to know that being an evangelical does not automatically make one (like the people in my town and school) a sorry excuse for a human being (sorry as in, intolerant of all people who are not: white, Christian, English-speaking, heterosexual). There are many who I have met who are quite outstanding people. But I still find it best to avoid religious discussion -- and pretend to be vanilla, non-denominational, basically non-practicing Christian when the topic does come up among people I don't know well.

Makinus December 8th, 2004 09:35 AM

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Christianity + Budhism + Agnostic + Xintoist + Jedi Knight = My Religion (believe me, it´s more confuse than Scientology)

In fact i belive in a God, whatever the name you want to call it (notice that i call God IT and not He or She)

And i also belive in the existence of an immortal component in human beings that continue to exist even after death (whatever you wish to call it "soul", "conscience" or anything else)...

I´m still in doubt if all animals do have "souls", but i´m pretty sure that the higher forms of primates (Mountain Gorillas, Orangutangus, etc) and higher forms of aquatic mammalians (dolphins, whales, etc.) do have them...

By the way, i belive God started the universe with the Big Bang (the initial explosion must have been started by someone) and probably did some small nudges so life started in the universe, but left the rest for we to figure what to do... (i do consider Jesus the wisest and kindest man of all time, but i don´t think he was more than human)

So, anyone wants to do a Makinus barbecue now?

Captain Kwok December 8th, 2004 09:38 AM

Re: OT: What\'s your religeon?
 
SE4ism.

narf poit chez BOOM December 8th, 2004 09:46 AM

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/me barbecue's Makinus. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Oogh. Brain tired. But books good...Yuuuummmm...

Combat Wombat December 8th, 2004 10:51 AM

Re: OT: What\'s your religeon?
 
Quote:

Spoo said:
Quote:

Glyn said:
I don’t believe we are having this discussion!!!

See Last Tuesday God got feed up with us and destroyed everything. Then, two weeks later he has a change of mind and recreates everything as it would have been if he had never destroyed us in the first place. (Including the missing two weeks.)

So, in reality we are not having this conversation.


It could happen; the power of creation implies the power of destruction and recreation.



BTW: agnostic

However, it is not unreasonable to assume:

A) You exist.

B) Everyone else also exists.

C) Your memories (especially recent ones) are valid.

For example, I remember that I'm supposed to go to a meeting now. Since I exist, and the people at the meeting exist, I'd better get going, since I remember that they will be displeased if I am late.

Now, it may turn out that my car has been replaced with a wedding cake, and when I get to the place of the meeting I realize that I am the only person in the world. I may even realize that I am but a dream of the of the aforementioned wedding cake. Nonetheless, skipping the meeting for fear of yeilding my existance to a cake would be a poor excuse. Ergo, it is best to assume A,B, and C.

"I think therefore I am."

Rasorow December 8th, 2004 01:48 PM

Re: OT: What\'s your religeon?
 
Quote:

bearclaw said:
Come on everyone, chant with me: Mineral planets are best. Beware Strange Warp Points, Amen.

ROFLOL


Rasorow

TerranC December 8th, 2004 07:36 PM

Re: OT: What\'s your religeon?
 
Forget what I posted earlier; I am now a full-fledged member of the Church of Ruatha, and wish to be a deacon in the Aaronite Church of Our Saviour and Bringer of Se4.

Renegade 13 December 9th, 2004 02:22 AM

!
 
All hail Aaron!! All hail Aaron!!

****Glazed look of fanaticism on face, walking like a zombie****

Fyron December 9th, 2004 02:52 AM

Re: !
 
Oh my, what have I started? The Cult of Ruatha in the Everchanging Names Thread was bad enough... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif

Raging Deadstar December 9th, 2004 07:24 AM

Re: !
 
Quote:

Imperator Fyron said:
Oh my, what have I started? The Cult of Ruatha in the Everchanging Names Thread was bad enough... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif

Dammit, these Ruathaites just keep coming back for more!

RD pulls out the heavy military ordinance from planet mercenary and plans a strategic defense with acceptable casulaties, mainly: not him

Kamog December 9th, 2004 10:46 AM

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We had a lot of fun back then! Remember the shoe that he threw? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

Cheeze December 9th, 2004 06:52 PM

Re: !
 
There is no god but Aaron and his word is Space Empires!!

Renegade...we don't walk like zombies. We just sit and stare at computer screens, occasionally pushing a key or clicking the mouse.


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