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I needed to reboot and well, the IExplore portion of the OS decided to cause problems. Having never faced this before, I opted to stop the reboot and begin to back up my data.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif I will know more after I reboot again, but its a safe bet to say that my system if frelled. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

I am doing back ups now, but who knows if they will be ok or currupt.

Wish me luck.

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Good luck. I sure hope that you have backups of all your important stuff. Also your mods and shipsets. *crosses fingers*

Slick.

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Backups how? I mean, don't you have to be in operational status to do backups? And if in operational status, are you just taking precautions.

Pardon me for being dense. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/redface.gif

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I once had my disk go all wobbly on me (wobblwobbl-ker-tink), but with repeated startups into quick-booting, no-disk-use DOS and a few minutes worth of copying at a time before the disk destabilized and required a power down, I was able to copy it off.

Quite scary at the time; all the best of luck to you on the backups.

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The reboot went off without a hitch. I don't know what caused the error to occur with windows, but I went ahead and told it to shut down anyways once I finished my back up.

So far it has been working fine.

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You considered getting a new PC full-stop?
With all the problems you have, might be worth it
Or at least get someone who knows computers to take a look at it

Just outta curiosity, what are your specs for this machine?

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my son had the same problem, only he let it finish, he then lost everything. after cking with tech support etc, it was found that it was the windows update security program< think it was the 2nd pack or something like that, apparantly when it downloads, it corrupts all the files. Don't know if this caused your problem, but for the above, the only thing I found to prevent it, is to disable your windows update auto program and not to upgrade any of the security packs listed in the updates. He was able to recover about 75% of what he lost by reinstalling the OS, however, he did not have video or audio, He will have to reload all his drivers after he reformats his Hard drive... He installed over the current Version and had to reboot several times before he was able to access his files. He had the window updates on auto XP sucks
Glad I have windows 98 2nd ed, I have problems, but not to the number of headaches he's had with XP

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I am always hearing about how awful and destructive XP is. It has never given me any problems. Do I have a blessed Version of XP or something? Could it have something to do with keeping it on it's own partition and wiping the C drive twice a year? That was an old habit from 98SE. Is there a major difference between the Home and Professional Versions or something? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

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XP has destroyed 2 of my hard drives, I use XP Pro

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XP Pro = garbage heap, XP Home = cesspool. So in summation, yes, there is. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

And yes, you have a blessed Version. A separate partition/drive just for the OS is a very, very wise practice for any OS, really.

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It depends of user. If you're a kind of user who follow the "ask specialist to install it and don't touch it ever" you could have a year of happy life without any incidents. But if you like experimentation and tweaks - you're in troubles. XP is not a geek-proof OS.
Also your hardware matters. Cheap(R) NoName(TM) hardware is the most common source of troubles on XP systems.

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I was able to figure out why my computer crashed. Or at least this is why I think it crashed.

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I too have a blessed Xp Pro Version running here and I like experimentation and tweaks. No problems so far.

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Ditto. I run XP Pro at home and on all my machines here at work. We have around 30 computers that are running XP Pro and we have never had a serious problem. Yes, we have had small issues, but we had even more small issues when we ran WIN2K or earlier Versions of windows.

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The problems I've experienced with XP Pro on my computer are due to motherboard and graphics driver issues (Asus and ATI respectively), not the OS itself.

On my old system with XP Pro, I never experienced any problems until my hard drive died.

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No problems with my copy either. It does live on its own partition, and gets reformatted one or two times a year.

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Kill me, but I can't call it a stable OS (which needs to be reinstalled 2 times a year, that is).

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Consider it maintenance. Besdides, It's a good way to remove the crap that unnistalled programs leave behind.

Never have I reformatted because XP spontaneously died. It's always been because of a hardware upgrade (new mobo, new primary hard disk) or because I've felt like it.

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And how much experience do you have with computers? Could it be that you qualify as an expert?

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I'm more of an "advanced user". If I was an expert, I'd run Linux.

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Cars need regular oil changes and the like. It is the nature of machines to need maintenance from time to time. Aren't computers just a machine like any other?

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It is like changing the oil every week... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif

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I've been running XP Home for since May 2003, and its given me no trouble. Well, almost no trouble http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif . Before that I had WinME, which I had to reinstall once since it screwed up (not sure how anymore), and before that Win95, which we got with our first computer back in '97. It never gave me any problems at all. So one re-install over 7 years of Windows use isn't too bad in my estimation.

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Sure, Windows runs fine, as long as you don't touch anything. Heaven forbid you should want to adjust things, or remove the not-so-helpful search dog, or get rid of the Playskool interface. And don't even think about creating a custom install file.

I've done eleven re-installations of WinXP Home over the past year, seven of which have been in the past 3 weeks. I finally had to unplug my DSL before I reinstalled, since I had security breaches happen before I could even do Windows Update. Sure, it's more secure after updates (at least, we don't know what parts aren't secure), but it shouldn't be quite so full of holes or so cranky about giving up its death-grip on every aspect of my computing (anyone else want to run Windows Update in another browser than IE?).

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Windows is windows is windows. Even the people at Microsoft find it hard to work with and feel that the tech support at microsft should be improved.... oh wait, they work there... how ironic.

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OS is an enviroment. The correct analogy would be changing whole passenger compartment (including steering wheel, pedals and control panel) to the new one twice a year. Sounds silly, isn't it?

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Actually, since the OS is what runs everything on the computer, it's like having to pull out the engine, strip it donwn to it's basic components, clean them all and stick the whole thing back together, then hope you didn't forget anything. I'm getting ready to to a format and re-install at the moment, but I've run into a problem. I sorta stepped on my WinXP install CD and then lost one of the pieces, so I got a copy off our tech guy at work. Problem it's not a bootable install CD, so if I format my drive I'm going to up a certain creek without a paddle.
Anybody know how to make a bootable install CD for WinXP? I know there's some programs out there that'll make one for you but I can't remember what they're called...

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You can create a set of startup floppies for WinXP (I think you need 6) that loads the necessary items to get the install going from a non-bootable CD.

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hahahahahahahahahhahaah

I'm an "expert" and I'd run both if I had a spare machine (no dual boot for me). XP is more productive for me, by far. I'm planning on using Linux for my firewall/NAT box if I need to build one. I *might* build a Linux DB box, but then again, I can get SQL Server just as easily... (and its better than some pqsql stuff)

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I think the opposite of this. If you are starting to use a computer and all your using it for is office, email and web surfing linux or mac is what to use. Ubuntu or Knoppix is easier to get working than windows. Less people attack it, it comes with a security system and no activex. I think the ONLY hard thing to do when installing Ubuntu is using and remembering a complex user password. Everything else is the enter key. If you want to play all the games in the world you have to learn how to keep windows working or get them running in emulators. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Sure, Apache, Oracle, MySQL, SAP, Samba/LDAP, etc are easy to use apps for newbies who can't get windoze to run properly http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

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Why would they? Most people don't you know? Most people use computers for really simple stuff.
Edit: samba is easy to set up these days.
Edit#2: I get it, you think I ment using it at work when I listed office. I meant office suit like Microsoft Office or Open Office or KOffice. Linux sometimes is a good idea for a company but usually changing is to hard (so I hear anyway).

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Unless you want to integrate it to MS Active Directory domain, and use non-US charsets for user folders/profiles. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/Sick.gif

Actually I meant that passwords memorization is not the most complex task in *nix OS. Of course most Users don't need apps, I've mentioned. But even moron-friendly distros like Linspire or Xandros need manual optimizations, else they would be horribly slow compared to winxp, cause default installation is overbloated with redundant stuff.

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Linux distros vary widely. I've used Red Hat, and it is decent, but can't hold a candle to better UIs. KDE I hear is good.
Even for hard core development, I work on Windows. That is my target platform (Windows on x32 or x64). Linux is more like a "utility belt" or something. I will use it for very specific tasks that I don't need to do much else.

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Windows = Almost any one can use.
OS9 = Only for yuppies and fanatics
Lynux = Only uber smart people and excessive computer nerds.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

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"Windows = Almost any one can use."
My sister must be an idiot.
"OS9 = Only for yuppies and fanatics"
I hear it has good multimedia. Isn't 10 out?
"Lynux = Only uber smart people and excessive computer nerds"
Thank you but I'm not (maybe I am a nerd but that doesn't help). Seriously the install is easier than windows. Well maybe not if you plan to duel boot with windows but a clean install is easy.

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IMHO, installing Linux, even dual-booting with Windows, is quite easy. Personally, my biggest problem is getting all the hardware to work correctly, especially if you have a new computer. I haven't tried Linux in over a year, but back then, getting it working on a laptop was a total pain, due to having to spend lots of time finding and testing drivers for things like video card, CD drive, fiddling around with stuff to get power management functions etc.

Right now, I have a Centrino laptop with Wi-Fi, a DVD writer combo drive, and a 64 meg video card. I can just imagine how much time I will have to spend to get everything working, time that I'd rather spend playing games. Go windows! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

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The word almost should have cleared that misconception up right away. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif Your sister is, I am sure, very smart.

Mac's = Hollywood. Just look for the little apple icon on all those computers you see in the movies.

You make my point about Lynux very well, thank you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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I'm guessing windows came installed on the laptop? Laptops are famous for driver problems. If you uninstall that copy of windows, go to the store and buy a different copy of windows and install it, I would say there is a 50% chance it wouldn't use your hardware correctly. If you don't know what your doing with a laptop always buy it with your OS already installed.
BTW duel boots can go really bad during the repartition. Make iso of your hard drive, defragment and scan disk befor you do it.

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Linux not Lynux, or do you know about some kind of unix I don't? How did I make your point? I spell it right? Mac has always done very odd advertising but they are not hollywood.

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Nope, whookid oon phoniks wikred four mea.

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Hmmm.... Any way of getting that burnt onto a CD? It's just that I don't have any floppies lying around but I've got about 40 blank CDs, so it'd make more sense for me to put it on CD.

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KDE is a pretty good GUI for Linux, it pretty much clones XP.

Macs aren't for art or hollywood or whatever. Any software for the Mac I can probably find an equivalent for Linux or Windows. Personally, I HATE OSX. What the heck is that edge scrolling insanity!?!?! It drove me insane with its complete and utter insane method of yanking the mouse around and no indicator of where the heck I was. Well, Im pretty sure it was the OSX gui doing that.

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As a network person one of the things Ive noticed is that if an office is running on Windows then you can always ask "who is your computer person" and they will all point at someone. Sometimes its some poor shmuck who had a home computer first and barely knows how to do installs, but there always is one. If its a MAC network and you ask the same question then they show you a buisness card that is sometimes a couple of hours drive away. The point is that a MAC office can run for years doing everything they want to do, documents, spread sheets, presentations, etc etc without ever worrying about it. And a Windows office cant.

Its harder to write things for the strict rules on a MAC but that has its pros and cons. The good stuff and necessary stuff gets ported, but tends to cost more. Any joe can write for Windows but that comes with compatability problems, crashes, familiarity with re-installs. Not so bad with the Last couple of Versions but still there.

Always beware of asking a guru which one you should use. Guru's are created by irritating operating systems. Dont ask the guy who can fix anything on the computer. Ask the guy who has been happily computing for years and still says he knows nothing of computers.

-- (not my sig)
unix is for people who know why it works.
linux is for people who want to know why it works.
mac is for people who don't want to know why it works.
dos is for people who want to know why it doesn't work.
windows is for people who don't want to know why it doesn't work.

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I have had to do that.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/stupid.gif

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OSX is based on UNIX.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/unix/