Success on Seducing ?
 

I've always been looking hoping for a big seduction score on dominions... unfortunately no luck. Biggest capture was a level_1 fire/astral mage. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Has anyone had better captures with a succubbi lady ?

---looks like higher magic paths provide better resistance to seduction... but it might be my bad luck too.

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From a post by Kristoffer O: (responding to Zen, who'd asked if Succubi seduce the hunkiest dude)

Leadership 50+: hunk.
Size 3: well hung hunk
Awe: irresistible hunk
Reinvigouration: long Lasting hunk

In the dark everyone looks the same (with the possible exception of the size 3 fellow).

Size 4 beings can not be seduced. Neither can lifeless beings, undeads, females, eunuchs, animals nor Heart Companions.

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In a solo game, I did have a succubus seduce an Ashikagan Jonin. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/redface.gif

It was a fairly long game, however, and she'd killed quite a few other commanders before being accepted.

(I was being particularly silly, and equipping her with the Soulstone of the Wolves, a Phoenix Rod, Boots of Stone, other lovely toys, and she didn't handle rejection well.)

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So far... it looks like there isn't that many people which had great captures using seduction.

What's your best capture with a succubbi lady ?

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My bit of silliness was to arm her with the Tartarian Chains, "if at first you don't succeed..."

Unfortunately, though she seemingly enthralled many an enemy commander via the chains when the seduction failed, I was never sure what happened to the leaders afterward...did they attack their own troops, or just go back among the ranks? I never saw a battle report following a failed seduction/successful Tart. Chain hit, so I can't say...

anyone? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

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My best was a Seraph of some sort.

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Are there any deadlier assassins than a Succubus, that don't involve the Black Heart item?

I guess the succubus doesn't even try against targets it has no chance to seduce, though? Or will she assassinate even impossible types? Only if there are no seducable types present?

PvK

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There's one pretender with the assassin skill; also an ethereal assassin that comes from a random event, not sure if that one is deadlier than the succubus.

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The succubus will assassinate even enemies that are impossible to seduce. I've had a succubus of mine kill a pretender.

By the way, I would have loved to be able to tell her to just go for the kill, rather than bother with all the seduction business. Flying back to the action was a total waste of time. At some point, I started to use her as a thug. In that game, I had tons of fetishes and blood stones, so I empowered her every time she came home.

With fire shield and invulnerability, she took quite a few provinces by herself. [I added a snapshot of her]

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Nice succubus!

Thanks for the info.

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Yes, she was cute.
I think a Suc. may be the best non-pretender assassin out without a black heart, although Chazar (the Abysian Slayer hero) may come close (no life drain but he cannot be banished and is fire immune, for what it's worth).

I have had pretty bad luck with seductions, my best was a luke-warm vanilla "Commander".

My favorite assassins are those with glamour, since I hate having my assassin caught by capital PD and/or patrollers, and so hence I like the black heart -- on a Hangadrott. A Faerie Queen isn't bad either, I have lots of success with her too.

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http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif According to Edi's Unit-DB, there is an Abysian-Slayer-Hero who responses to the name "Chuzrael", but none to "Chazar". Puh! That was close - I mean, I would not object against being a hero, but I would mind being Abysian, for I really prefer the delicate elegance of Caelians and the soothing touch of ice and... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

BTW, my best succubus returned once with an Ulmish commander wearing full plate. How could she fly back with such a heavily tinned guy? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif Shouldn't he shed the armor during seduction? Poor succubus...

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I believe one of the Demon Lords (Bel-something) can corrupt commanders, effectively about the same as Succubus' seduction. So, I'd count him as the most powerful non-Pretender assasin, having high stats and nature/fire/blood magic more than you need.

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Succubi are nifty, but the lack of an armor slot hurts somewhat.

There's Belial, Lord of Corruption, IIRC, who has the 'corrupt commander' option; this presumably works on a broader audience than seduction. I believe I've corrupted Banes, for instance, Belial also can't wear armor (none of the Demon Lords can), but he's got quite a few more hp so it matters less. The Mictlan Lord of the Night gets all slots, but is a Mictlan-only pretender. *shrug*

The ethereal assassins would be Elludian Stalkers, IIRC; you can get them from either a random event, or if you find the high-astral site "The Hidden Kingdom of Elludia". They're rather ordinary aside from the intrinsic etherealness -- in terms of hp and armament, for instance.

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I haven't seen one in a long time so I could be completely wrong here - but aren't they also much more stealthy than your average assassin? Something like stealthy(+20)? That alone would make them worth considering - although they still need a cheap item or 2 to be really usable.

[Edit: Silly me - I forgot I got one (random event) in an ongoing MP game! They indeed have Stealth(+20) - as well as pretty good stats for an human.]

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Hm, interesting. That does make 'em stealthier than most assassins -- most being at +0, IIRC, with the notable exception of Ashikagan Jonins (+25 or so, which seems to be fairly usual for Glamour units; but outside of mods, a Glamour'd assassin is a bit rare sans black heart).

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tinkthank wrote:

> I think a Suc. may be the best non-pretender assassin out without a black
> heart, although Chazar (the Abysian Slayer hero) may come close (no life
> drain but he cannot be banished and is fire immune, for what it's worth).

atul wrote:

> believe one of the Demon Lords (Bel-something) can corrupt commanders,
> effectively about the same as Succubus' seduction. So, I'd count him as the
> most powerful non-Pretender assasin, having high stats and nature/fire/blood
> magic more than you need.

Once you start equiping your assassins, the rules change. I think that a lowly
C'tis empoisoner can take out pretty much anyone and anything unless it is
scripted expressely against assassination. How?

A standard of the Damned, a wraith crown, and a ring of sorcery will give him
the drain life spell, a meat shield, and the ability to raise more skeletons.
Stack the decks further with a luck amulet, a chainmail of displacement, and
boots of quickness, and you are looking at a monster... and an expensive one,
at that. But I have seen some people get crazy in the late game...

In tune with Yvelina's empowered succubus, here is a sample of what I found
behind my defenses once. It easily wiped out 35 wolves and eleven points of
lizard province defense... but frankly, is it worth the gems investment?

[picture attached]

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I guess it depends on one's values, but in general no, that's a lot of expensive gear which I'd put on someone else besides a black servant, in general. I have used equipped black servants to very good effect, but not with such expensive stuff.

PvK

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What's the formula for a seduction success rate of the succubi ?
Do magic paths and experience provide resistance?

I know what can and cannot be seduced... but there is nothing describing the formula. I already know priests and holy units are less likely to be seduced... but it would be nice to know the formula.

I've done some more searching but no luck. Hopefully the developers know... or someone.

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Mrl and MR affects the chance. Thus experienced soldiers are less likely to be seduced.