New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G.
 

I have opened a new game using Fyron's latest Adamant Mod 15.02. Ever wish that you could just ignore research and get down to the fun stuff - glassing planets? Well now you can, and do it in style with Adamant Mod. Low cost tech research, a ten planet start, and a small galaxy and eight players means a brutality never before seen in the galaxy! Note this is balanced by the 0 racial point start.

I won't be joining this game, unless there aren't enough players interested.

==

PBW Name : Adamant Brutality

A small part of your empire has been teleported to another galaxy by an anomaly. Unfortunately, so have planets of your mortal enemies!

Starting resources: 100000
Starting planets: 10
Home planet value: Good
Score display: Own
Technology level: Low
Racial points: 0
Quadrant type: FQM Dense Paradise WPH
Quadrant size: Small
Event frequency: None
Event severity: Low
Technology cost: Low
Victory conditions: Last Man Standing
Maximum units: 20000
Maximum ships: 20000
Computer players: None
Computer difficulty: None
Computer player bonus: None
Neutral empires: No
Other game settings: No tech trading, No surrender, No ruins, No events, 36 hour turns.

==

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G.
 

Damn. Nobody interested yet. Oh well, I'll sign myself up then. Join up people, with ten planets a small paradise galaxy and low tech costs the game will be brutal and fast. Fast turns, fast killing, fast everything. Join now and get MKX Combat Bunnies along with your ten planets!

Brian

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

If its Adamant I'll join. I plan on playing a physical race using the EDF(Earth Defense Force) shipset.

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

Uh well, a ten planet low research game is not really what i had in mind when clicking and reading this advertisment. Not for me...

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

Just how set in stone are the settings Brianeyci? I think I would prefer something little more standard than this myself. I only joined because its Adamant. Five planets, medium research, 2000 racial points perhaps?

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

Well, looks like nobody is interested in a ten planet low research game. Darnit, what's wrong with ten planets? What's wrong with low research? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

Okay peeps, the settings are changable. Ragnarok-X, join the game, we don't have to play ten planets and low research... we can play one planet and high research or three planets and medium research. Guess I'll leave the ten planet thing for later.

Brian

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

And besides, the post title should have been clear enough... 10 planet, small galaxy. lol. Or did you think there was an Adamant Mod 15.0210, Fyron's crazy but not that crazy.

Brian

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

In fact i thought i had just had to make a post to increase my post count http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Will join the game later.

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

Still need more players. Update : The game is no longer going to be a ten planet, low tech cost start, nor does it necessarily have to be a small galaxy. The game settings will be decided by consensus once people join, the only game setting that is not up for debate are 36 hour turns and no surrender and no tech trading!

Come join the galaxy as your favourite race from any sci-fi verse, or make your own! The setting is a strange galaxy, where a small section of your empire has been teleported along with those of strangers and your mortal enemies! Do it in style with Adamant Mod! Join now, Join now, Join now!

Brian

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G.
 

How about an everyone vs. the space monsters game with a new twist: just one space monster race against as many players as you can get to join, and the space monsters played by me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif.

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

The space monsters need some work to be able to handle Adamant planetary defenses... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

Just edit the designcreation files and allow them to pack 1-2 antiplanet bombs and everything will be okay, as long as massive shield values for facilites are tweaked http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

Ah, but they'd be played by a human, not the AI. I'd build up the necessary firepower eventually, I hope. I'm willing to try anyway. Heck, after seeing what tiny space monsters can do to early fleets in the Galactic Invasion game, I'd be willing to go with a multiple-planet start and scrap all but one of my worlds on turn one if no more players join. I haven't joined yet myself because I have enough other games going on that I don't want to join another unless it's going to be really different. If the other players like the idea of teaming up on a race of human-controlled space monsters, then let me know and I'll join as the monsters.

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

They have no anti-planet bombs... Remember, they have a separate "paradigm," the space monster racial traits...

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

Yeah i know, but it wouldnt be a problem to create a new weapon, antiplanet bomb or acid or whatever at the bottom of the research file, with prerequisites only be "monster race" trait http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif.

I prefer a more stock game though, no monsters, just a few empires fighting it out.

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

So we are in agreement then... monsters need reworking. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

Even as fun as "The Galactic Invasion" is I would prefer just a normal beatdown as well.

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

Yes. Plus, I don't want to play a nomadic race anymore. Seesh, how the hell do they expand. Without being able to colonize planets, they're hopelessly outclassed in expansion -- what do you do if an enemy colonizer just walks into your system and plants a planet right below your remote mining sats? Simple, nothing.

Maybe there is a correct way to play a nomadic race -- they seem suited to the "turtling" style to me, but they turtle really crappily. If you turtle, the point is supposed to be focusing your resources on research and gathering a lot of ships. The gathering a lot of ships could work, except as tech gets uped those dozens of old ships with ultra-recycler node become useless. And research, oh boy, building a research outpost takes two turns and you can't even mount an ultra-recycler node on one meaning that building a viable research program means tons of maintainence. IMO, research outPosts should take 1% maintainence by default. Ragnarok suggested to me that I use mining satellites, well that's a good idea but not nearly enough as everybody's mining facilities are better than mining sats and far easier to setup. Nomadic race should have their own ultra-effective remote mining components to make up for this.

Nomadic race is definitely for expert players, and I'm not sure even an expert player could keep up. IMO it should be tweaked so that research outPosts have 1% maintainence, and the ultra-recycler node component should be smaller. If it was smaller, you could put it on research outPosts. I took massive bonuses on construction, and on emergency build on a homeworld it still takes two turns to make a research outpost.

Brian

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

Nomads have to use diplomacy... They are not meant to expand as normal races do. They are definitely not meant for a purely competitive game. They make excellent merchant empires. Imagine the value of buying a fleet of practically maintenance-free ships... SuicideJunkie, the creator of Nomads, is fond of taking all of the racial tech traits and making ships for sale using lots of fancy gadgets...

And research, oh boy, building a research outpost takes two turns and you can't even mount an ultra-recycler node on one meaning that building a viable research program means tons of maintainence.

They aren't supposed to use research outPosts, actually... Instead, use Research Teams on ships (I forget whether they are mountable on bases or not). In future Versions, the research outpost is not available to Nomads.

Ragnarok suggested to me that I use mining satellites, well that's a good idea but not nearly enough as everybody's mining facilities are better than mining sats and far easier to setup. Nomadic race should have their own ultra-effective remote mining components to make up for this.

They do. Make mining ships or bases with an ultra recyler node... practically all profit.

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

In the P&N on PBW game, I was in first place for a while, and spent most of the game in second place.

I only really went into combat once, and that was to capture a planet that was pissing off people by causing a whole pile of stalemate combats every turn (since nobody had weapons in the area).

Most of my losses were to damaging warppoints, I think.

-----

Key things to do:
1) Forge an alliance right away. The trade income will be all you need to prosper, and in return, you can give them access to your ship and base technologies.
2) Von Neumann bases in orbit of allied homeworlds, and in level 4+ nebulae systems.
3) Use the bases to build insane numbers of ships and units in parallel at any location in the galaxy. If you've done the bases right, you should have about 2^5 = 32 bases 10-15 turns after you first visit.
4) Sell your advantages. Somebody needs a quick fleet of 60 cruiser to fend off an enemy? Those Von Neumann bases will let you deliver from almost anywhere with top of the line tech in a few short turns.

One mistake I made in that game was building too many cargo ships.
When you're making that many ships simultaneously, it is very very easy to make more than you need.
I had about 50 large freighters sitting in stock when I had yet to sell the Last of my medium ones. Warships would have been much better, since they have a naturally limited lifetime. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

And taking all six P&N racial techs came in very handy http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
"Maintenance-free, biocrystal-armored, talisman targetting, grav-driven, living warship with Psycho-temporal weaponry. You know you want it!"

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

Don't forget the free Neural Combat Net from the special religious/temporal combo crew quarters IIRC.

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

In additon brianeyci, your species in the galactic invasion has a quite high trading ability, so i suspect you are gaining at least 130% trading income. I guess you have at least trade and research alliance with each player, this should give you a quite HUGE amount of ressources and research points without remote mining or research teams at all. I dont really get your point. I offered you to construct colonyships for you several times, you didnt replied. Cant tell if you simply missed the turns though.

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

Oh about your thingy it still takes you 2 turns to construct bases at homeworlds. I have optimized my empire for this game as well, and i was able to construct colonyships in 1 turn when emergency building. I suggest you to maximize and test your empire in sologame until using it Online http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

Well I did miss a couple of turns. And I am getting a huge income even without remote mining, too much for me to store.

Yes, I will trade for colony ships. Drone 869 will trade... I sent you a message Last turn, dunno if you got it. Must have gone missing, fook.

Suicide Junkie -- what is a Von Neumann base? 2^5 bases, holy cow, I have a few things to figure out then lol. Obviously Nomads can kick butt from how you played them, looks like I've been looking at them from the wrong angle.

Brian

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

Colony ship in one turn in one thing, research outpost in one turn is another. And, from what Fyron said, Nomads aren't supposed to use research outPosts anyway.

Building a 0 maintainence research ship still takes 2 turns, even with 20% construction and 25% space yard feat er trait too much D&D lol. But then again, the Nomad's high trading ability should make up for that.

Brian

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

Anyways, i didnt meant to offend you. I played the latest turn after posting my msg, so everything is ok. Colships will come http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Anyways, think about it: Aiken, the other nomad player only has the standart 100% trading ability, so you are in fact at an advantage. If i may ask, how is your income, M/O/R/Research-wise ?

thanks a bunch

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

Tell me you took an absurd level of construction aptitude...

Build a base space yard. That BSY builds another BSY, all while the HW is building a BSY. Each BSY builds another BSY, for as long as you need to get the desired amount.

Of course, you must keep in mind that SJ was playing with the P&N Mod, not Adamant, so the numbers will be different... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

They didn't kick anybody's butts, but they did do a hell of a lot of trading. The enigmatic Vorlons were their largest customer. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

I get about 45k mins 45k orgs 40k rads.

Brian

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

Well as mentioned, i maxed it out. I made several testgames until i was able to get a proper colonyship in one turn using large homeworlds.

Construction 130% and Hardy Industrialists Trait. I really tested the empire in several games (only the first 2-3 turns to get the result i wanted).
Its a 5k game btw.

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

Yeah.

Since it was a 5k game, I thought I would go for fun and create a themed race. It was okay, this is an rpg game anyway. The Eee are pissing a lot of people off though, once the space monsters are dealt with things might get nasty =D.

Brian

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

Sssshh, dont make such a noise about. Your species will have a lot of room once....the time has come....for us...to prevail.........................

The Eee are playing rpg-ish as well, thats why i really love this game. Im quite into that rpg stuff, its really funny and interesting.

back on topic: Fyron, rework the monsters :p Maybe you should consider giving nomads and/or pirates a special colonyship hull or colonymodule which is quite cost intensive, so they can ready a colonyship after a construction time of 5+ turns on a average homeworld...? Wouldnt be very theme-wise, though, but maybe more players would be willing to play those traits then...?

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

Are you basing this on one bungled game, or more extensive play-testing? Perhaps you would like to make more specific suggestions.

Nah. That violates the entire purpose of them... They are more for RP style games, never meant for purely competetive play. If you want colony ships, play as a normal race instead.

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

Since I'm a nomad player too, I'd like to share my 20 millibucks.
My current gross profit is about 90000/100000/90000 (35000/45000/35000 from trade), but my technological backwardness is very remarkable. It happend because I was in the production, not trade and diplomacy. Really, it's the only way to survive - to offer your services. Maint. free and fast ships, zero-gravity BSYs, some useful gadgets (I've picked a religious trait to get War and Death Talisman).
In the end you'll be probably obliterated by the ships you've sold to your former ally, but it's not a problem, because you can hardly expect to win such game as a nomad.
I've tried to gather some notes for adamantic nomad player, I hope they'll help.
During race creation: minimise your resource mining apptitudes, cunning and possibly intelligence (space born labs are not affected by your racial research setup), max your agressiveness, defensiveness and conctruction apptitude (110/110/150). Political Savvy doesn't matter, since you only can get 15% (10% cap * 150% max) from trade. Pick all usefull racial traits (except heavy industrual), pick Naturalist trait for huge amount of free points (even if you'll manage to get several colonyship, you won't be able to build any reasource/research/intel ganerating facilities).
In start build only BSYs and remote miners(sat or ships). Expansion is not very important (except if you have home system withou asteroid belt) and 2-3 scouts will explore several nearby systems easily. Build SYs in geometric progression but wisely, because you're spending you initial capital and have a miserable income from mining. In research go into stellar harnessing, ship construction, cargo, propulsion, mines and warheads. As soon as you get ship hull of 220-250 kt build dozens of such ships with small SY and recycler nodes onboard and send them to the outer systems with asteroid fields. Such small shipyard should be able to construct minimal BSY during the 1 year in emergency mode. After it's finished - scrap shipyard, build another one and send it to an empty system. Then start forging BSYs and storage bases (in case you use sats for mining).
Supplies are a huge problem for nomads - they usually nave no planets to resupply. So build transpot ships with a small amout of movement which are filled with reactors and solar collectors. Hide them in storms or nebulas. Also trade, do diplomacy all this time (I was not very good at it, but try to improve).
Such economy is very fragile - either someone will destroy your mining stations or he will start to convert asteroids to planets. I guess it will be the end of empire unless you have ovewhelming forces to protect yourself. But you had fun http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

Not to forget something: Find a good partner http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

Bump... We still need a few more players to get this thing started.

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

Yep. Need more players. One withdrew as well, guess he got tired of waiting. Unless we want to change the game to be a smaller map, 4 players.

Brian

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

How withdrew ? The game still have one player for every spot...?!?

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

Dunno I got a message in my e-mail that a guy withdrew.

Not the "Galactic Invasion" game, the new game I'm trying to set up "Adamant Brutality".

Brian

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

Willburn was signed up. We did have four slots filled, but now we only have three.

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

My mistake. I was thinking about the galactic invasion. Anyways, i just applied for this game. Hopefully we can play it as a more "normal" game, which medium tech and standart rules. Anyways, i think we should get the game going within the next week.

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

Sounds good to me. We may just have to start with the people we have. At least the turns should move faster that way. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

yeah, would be a pretty thrilling game, using a small galaxy http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

Well,

im in the mood to create my empire now. So lets get the rules straight. 2k, 3k or 5k ? I would say 3k, and a small galaxy, since we will probably stay with the current 4 players.

Get it on, your opinions please !

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

I'd like 5k, myself. Brianeyci, what settings are negotiable?

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

Okay. We'll get the game started after New Year's day. I think all settings are negotiable, after all we only have four players and can't afford to have one drop out because of a temper tantrum =D.

Brian

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

It looks like we have five players now.

I don't really care what the racial points are. A small galaxy is my preference as well.

If we use 3k or 5k I think I may have to change my original plans for my empire. I chose a normal human race because of the original 0 racial point setting. I'm thinking a physic physical race, perhaps, to take advantage of the extra points. Though my empire name on the pbw screen would then be wrong, if anyone cares. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

Well, ok then its a small galaxy, ok ?
About racial points, i dont care if we take 5k then. Just lets decide quick, so i can do my empire http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

Brianeyci, an update, please. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif Can we start our empires now with 5k racial points, as voted on? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

I'm may just stick with the EDF. I do like that set. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

How many planets should we start with? I'm fine with 1, 3, or perhaps 5. 10 is too many. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

Hi peeps.

Okay, 5k it is. What kind of galaxy? Small galaxy? Alright. Three homeplanets (I don't think there's a choice for 5). Upload away.

Brian

Re: New Game : Adamant Mod 15.02 10 Planet Small G
 

Alright. So lets to our empires and start the game as soon as everyone has finished uploading !