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UPN has announced that they are cancelling the only show worth watching on their stupid Reality and "overly ethnicized" schedule, they are cancelling Star Trek Enterprise just as it is finally hitting it's stride http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Go to startrek.com to see the full report, and then go to UPN to file a complaint in their "feedback" department if you want to save ENT.

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Awww crud. And I was just going to come on here and post how pleased I was with the latest episodes. After my complaining about the lack of continuity and ignoring trek history this story arc with the Andorian war with the Tellarites, and how the Romulans are interfering, but you don't actually see the Romulans. It's pretty cool.

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Can't say that I am sad to see Enterprise go... it is a far worse blemish on the face of Star Trek than Voyager ever was.

Hmm... startrek.com doesn't seem to load at all now that I have blocked their malicious cookies. Oh well, guess I won't be visiting that site, ever.

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I like enterprise much better then voyager because the cast is far more human than those stupid goody goody federation types from VOY, and aside from Seven the 5th 6th and early 7th seasons were pretty lame. yet they cancel ENT just as it is getting into stride? that's stupid.

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Please, please, please let them finish the "mirror, Darkly" before they close shop. I would check the site but it is unavailable. probably brought down by all the people checking.

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The entire 4th season will be finished prior to the cancellation and hopefully another network picks this up http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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I got the site, and it ends a month after "The Mirror, Darkly" so that's ok http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif. Interesting that in the announcement it says they look forward to more chapters in the franchise.

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They are idiots I mean we had the romulan wars to look foward to in ENT http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

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It's too bad. When they focused on these recent types of storylines the shows were really pretty good. But the lack of support by UPN and the move to Friday nights spelled the end I guess. I always felt this show was unfairly critized.

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Yeah, I had good hopes from what I read. We are currently having the Xindi season here (When it's cancelled I guess it won't be a priority to show the last season here http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif). Then they were having practically minimovies filling in lot's of Federation backstory.

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Because it is a "Trek" show people were overly critical. You can't really blame UPN for giving up on the show when it was the die-hard Trek fans trashing it. Now those same fans will start crying about the series ending. (and no, I'm not referring to anyone around here! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif )

If the show had been judged on it's merits people would have seen that it was a decent scifi show.

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I get a laugh every time someone calls cookies malicious. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Like maybe one that I get good reception, and also one that actually ADVERTISES! *Gasp* Imagine that. Between UPN's lack of advertising and their moving the show all around the map, I never knew when Enterprise was on.

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We saw this coming two years ago. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif UPN is just a horrid network. Enterprise would have been far more popular if it had gone into sindication like STNG and DS9 had. I love Enterprise and hate to see it go. Even with all of the gay *** violation of established Trek history, it was a good series to watch. In the end they could have explained it all away as a temperal shiver or something.

This is what happens when you let people who hate TOS and STNG run things. Oh well. UPN is just a horrid network.

And on a side note. The quality of Stargate has begun to slip with its last few episodes. I am sickened at how the Sci-Fi channel has adversily influenced the production quality of Stargate SG1. These last few episodes just lack the finished feel that the series has pioneered. They seem more like the fast paced, poorly editted Andromeda series than they do SG1.

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UPN Sucks raw butt, that's a fact, but I wish that Enterprise would find a new home.

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Lets face it, we all knew that they would be lucky to see five seasons. It angers me greatly that the series was shuffled butted around on that god forsaken crap network UPN, but that is the name of the game when your dealing with idiot dribble like the SOB's that run UPN. Hell my retard stepbrother could run UPN far better than the momma's boys they got now.

And WTF was paramount thinking any ways? It sickens me that they would produce seven years of that shudder inducing, barf summoning Voyager, but cancel ENT after only four simple getting to know you seasons.

This is just a clear indication of how utterly enept the people running Paramount, Star Trek, and UPN are. They refuse to listen to the fans, play shuffle board with the time slots, and employ hack writers to come up with "Romulan" episodes for a series that by all rights SHOULD NOT HAVE HAD Romulans in it.

Oh there was a work around for it, but again the idiot yuppies who were producing Enterprise refused to listen. The show suffored, the fan base evaporated, and now the show is all but failed. This is a sad day indeed. Not since TOS was cancelled have we seen such a thing. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

When you consider the fans stupid, and refuse to listen to what they are saying, and go ahead and produce episodes that decimate establish Trek lore, you get burned.

If I were producing Enterprise the first rule I would have had would have been to state that the Romulan Conflict happened BEFORE the series started. Or, even better, have the Romulan Conflict as the catalyst for Enterprise and not this crappy *** temperal war BS that was force fed to us.

The reason that no one knew what the Romulan looked like was because Star Fleet deemed it top secret in order to preserver the Human Vulcan alliance. Hell if people of earth found out that the people they just fought a war with were the direct ansestors of their ally, they would raise holly hell over it.

But oh no, this was to complicated for the Dumb arse over at Paramount to figure out.

The Klingon ridge issue could have been explained away as the Klingons while attempting to appear more human in order to inflitrate the Federation, suffored a horrific biological catastrophy that resulted in the genetic alteration of their appearance and swept through their poplulace like a raging plague.

The Klingons would be embarassed by this and would spend the next 120 years looking for a way to reverse it. This would explain away the differance between TOS and TMP klingons. Again, this was too complicated for the writers to figure out.

I am so PO'ed right now that I need to go do something else.

I should post this over at www.startrek.com

(Remember you cannot use names when making direct comments about poeple because those named might sue you for emotional or professional distress. GD cry babies!)

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Atrocities is right, UPN is a horrid network. They appeal only to the lowest common demoniator (like TNT) and demand more stupid, ethnic sterotypes (like TNT) and only aspire to sthrow more crap at the wall so something sticks (like TNT).

I feel like I'm watching Crusade....

"The series finale will air on Friday, May 13, 2005." Ironic.

Enterprise should have had the following done to it: Fire Brannon Braga. Berman was never a problem, his whole thing is that he makes shows profitable. Braga's whole thing is seeing how many former supermodels can prance around in his lap. Turn the writing staff over to Manny Coto and (if still living) DC Fontana and hire on Wolfe to round off the team. It should have been direct-to-syndication and also focused on an ensemble cast, not a specific three. Berman should not be allowed to 'pad' the music down. And finally, they should have stayed true to their misson statement for the series, not strayed.

But I am glad it got cancelled. Enterprise needed to be put down the moment we found out Reed was a Booty-Guy.

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I wouldn't say that the show decimated established Trek lore. Some continunity breaches sure, but nothing that any other series didn't do. And to my knowledge, I didn't see any humans meeting Romulans... in fact, the way they did the last episode was quite effective and certainly helps establish future hostilities between the two - which would have started in season 5 by way of the timeline.

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What exactly was the problem?. As far as I know they had an episode with a Romulan minefield. Ok, that's where they meet. Lately they had the Romulans attacking, but as far as I know you never see a Romulan except by themselves.

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The latest episodes have had romulans in them.

And for the record, I am not saying anything bad about Enterprise. I like the show. I simply feel, as do 90% of the fan base, that they should NEVER have use Romulans in the way that they did. Watch TOS "Balance Of Terror" and you will see why. Arguements about Romulans being included are nullified by that TOS episode. It should have been the basis for the series bible when dealing with the Romulans. Sure the Romulans could have been in the series, but not in the way that Brandon and company have used them. That is simply to much of a standing insult to the fan base and they made it clear that they are not happy. Four years and the series is toast. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

FAN
"Why did you cancel Enterprise?"

UPN
"Enterprise simply did not meet the needs of our targetted demographic viewer base."

FAN
"What exactly does that mean?"

UPN
"After many days of targeted selection, we came to the conclusion that Enterprise was simply not deverse enough in its execution to meet the educational abilities of our targetted demographic audiance."

FAN
"Excuse me, I don't understand. What exactly does that mean?"

UPN
"Enterprise simply was to cerebral for our viewers."

FAN
"Then you consider your viewers to be stupid?"

UPN
"Exactly. Just look at our programing and you'll see why."

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Read a good book. Try David Weber, David Drake(Be carefull; some of his stuff goes way beyond R), Eric Flint, Ryk Spoor, Julia E. Czerneda(Beholder's Eye series), Katherine Kerr, Anne McAffrey(Pern series and Brainship series), some of David Eddings(A little preachy in places), Alan Dean Foster(Especially the Flinx books).

And that's just off the top of my head. Those writers can provide a lot more entertainment than just about any tv show, ever.

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Forgot Fred Saberhagen and Patricia C. Wrede.

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Try Neal Stephenson - Cryptonomicon, Baroque Cycle. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

But it was a foregone conlusion at the beginning of the season that Enterprise wasn't going to a next season. It was not going to make it and therefore got moved to the timeslot of death. Friday night.

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Yeah I read one thing from David Drake in the "Fleet Series" and the moment he started mentioning a guy finger ****ing a woman's bum I figured out he can go FAR beyond R lol.

Anyway Ent's writers were trying to get back on track this season as I understand it, and sadly UPN decided they are probobly gonna throw in yet another all black casted show just like they did when they replaced Special Unit 2 (which wasn't so great granted but THE PARKERS GAW!) anyway they suck and I hope ENT gets picked up by a network that knows what the hell they are doing.

[edit] Okay I just realized that might soudn racist, please let me explain:

A. Some of my best friends are of other races so I have no problem with black people.

B. I DO HOWEVER have a problem with the fact that every show has to have a "token black guy" to keep from being sued for this or that, yet we see shows like "The Parkers" and the like which have no white folks unless it's to make fun of them and they don't get in trouble.

C. I DO have a problem with UPN because they seem to be turning into a second BET and have killed good shows because they are not "ethnic" enough........think about it (rolleyes)

D. Again I have no problem with black people as a whole just when it falls into catagory B and C

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What established Star Trek lore? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif There are continuity breaches in practically every episode ever produced. Enterprise was nothing earth-shattering, in this respect.

There was a theory bandied about that Enterprise wasn't really about the past, it was about the future Feds using the Enterprise as a pawn in their affairs. Also, when your lead is the former lead from Quantum Leap, Time Travel is to be expected.

This IS in fact the official story-related explanation given, or something close to it anyway. It was more simplistic, ie, the klingons seen in TOS were the genetically altered variety, and the rest are the original stock.

The truth is less dramatic: they simply didn't have the money (or makeup technology) when TOS aired to give the klingons their intended appearance. (Source: Star Trek Memories, William Shatner)

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Wow angered trek fans, we need shelter lots of beer and food for the next few months. Now run go find this and get back before the Angered trek fans :p

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We've seen Romulans, but the crew hasn't! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

Anyway, I thought it was rather clever in the last episode with the remote controlled ship.

Furthermore, I think the series might be renewed if Enterprise fans are persuasive enough.

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I thought Special Unit 2 was hilarious and a breath of fresh air.

Oh yeah, currently watching unbreakable. Comments:

My Dad: "Turn the goofy light on!"
Shortly after:
Dad: "Could you pause it so I can go to the bathroom?"

Me: "I thought it was paused."

It is interesting, it's just that they could have cut it down to 30-40 minutes without loosing much.

Have to add an exchange that just happened:

Me: "Well, we started watching about 8:30 so there's probably only a half-hour left."

Dad: "We still havn't watched the second disk."

Me: "That's special features."

We looked at each other and burst out laughing. You might have to have watched it to get it.

Dad: "What, will they show it with the lights on?"

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I liked the episode as well, and agree it was a cool trick. But I still think that if the series had played off the Romulan Conflict as the catalist for the series it would have been better. But thats a mute point. To fix it now they MUST continue the series and that does not look likely at this point.

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Those bastards! Enterprise was the only show worth watching on Friday nights. Gah, better stop here before the language degenerates too much...

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With SG-1, Atlantis and Galactica on Fridays, I was just a bit disappointed that Enterprise had been moved to Fridays. I was going to have to tape it or watch the episode on Sunday (I think!)

While I agree that the last couple of SG-1 episodes seem unfocused, I rather like it. After the constant build-up of villains to greater heights, Baal is almost 'ordindary' and something of a let-down. The replicators make for an interesting enemy now that SG-1 may have to side with the Goauld to defeat them. But the lack of focus and intensity that the stories had is hopefully time taken to build into new storylines.

I'm just looking forward to the return of Claudia Black....and may it be when Ben Browder show up as well!!

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Everyone should go to www.upn.com, look at the bottom-right of the page, and send UPN an unhappy message about cancelling Enterprise. If enough people do this, maybe the fans can pull off another TOS-like resurrection of the series http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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I am glad they cancelled it.

B & B have totally ruined star trek. Let it die. And in 10 years or so start it up again set far in the future. And as far away from B & B as possible and as far away from the crap star trek has become.

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I agree in that a five to ten year hiatus from the franchise (aside from books, comics, videogames) would likely be very good for the franchise.

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I liked the cast of the show and alot of the episodes they have had. I dislike the B & B effect and agree that those two turds should have been given the boot a long time ago after little B weasled his way into the job.

I was pleasently surprised by the series and KNOW that it has great potential, but bad management.

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TEN YEARS YIKES NO I'd be 28 dang it and I don't want to wait that long (grrraaaaar) but they said 1 or 2 years on their official statement which is bullcrap beacuse why cancel an entire series just to make a new one 2 years later?

And besides that one of the Bs is going to making "the largest and most highly budgeted star trek movie of all time" soon, let us hope he does not turn it into another Nemesis.

Those two bastards should be canned before that movie is made or they'll just screw it up.

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I rather liked Nemesis actually... It was refreshing to see some *** being kicked, rather than kissed, in something bearing the name of Star Trek. Sure it was a response to the all-too-true allegations of Trek wussy-ness that have been coming from fans of other sci-fis for years, but it was still a good flick.

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I think the problem with Nemesis was that half of it was quite good and the premise interesting enough, but some poor dialogue/editing decisions really hurt the overall product. However, I'm still impressed at the battle sequence for once - at least they made an effort to match weapon hits with shield facings and related dialogue and things of that sort.

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Do you think the Sci-Fi Network would buy Enterprise? It's nice to hope for something like that.
Or maybe a new series called "Klingon Space" A series like that would of course be full of lots of action. That's why we watch isn't it. Phaser fire, interesting tactical situations, monsters, cool ships, naked twister with green orion slave girls. To hell with dramatic situations.

I'm still hoping for a mini-series based on Niven's Known Space books.

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The problem with nemesis is that they did not have Frakes directing it, and some of the best scenes end up on the floor. To add that it was a dark movie, not orginally shot that way, but done so in editing, hense the poor editing award, the movie was made into a bad movie from a good one.

Also the Before Data, was a Romulan prototype design that they could not get to work right. Data fixed it, transfered his memories, and then died to save picard. Kinda like the spock thing in Trek II.

I like the last 10 minutes of Nemesis, the rest of the movie was ok, but not what I would have liked to have seen.

To date I say Inssurrection is the best of the STNG movies followed by Generation then FC.

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Why not go all out and make it a Klingon POV show... disruptors blazing and batleth dueling all over the place.
If it looks at you funny, shoot first and question the forensics team later.

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That would be awesome. Remeber the episode of TNG where Riker spent some time on the Klingon ship. Why not do something like that? A star fleet officer on an extended exchange program tour of duty aboard a Klingon vessl. I'd watch that.

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What about the Federation Time Corp?. They could travel about history visiting times like the beginning of the federation.....oh wait http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif.

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THAT WOULD SUCK, I hate time travel shows.

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We need a series about Klingons.... Enough with these mambie pambie sissy boy federation types and their higher than thou moral values. I say to give us a good Klingon series.

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or elaborate on the Terran Empire. None of this avoiding pre-warp civilisations. It's all about conquering them when they can't fight back.

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That makes alot of sense. After all, the Star Trek series was a perfect fit for its time. It fit the general outlook of the american TV-viewing public with just a bit of hippy preaching to improve some attitudes.

Nobody in the US wants that now. Give us the Klingon Empire. Give us the expanding Federation. Give us another Captain Kirk. "Do it right or we will come in and make you do it our way". "Yes we have a Prime Directive on the books but sometimes that just doesnt work so we bend it".
YES make it a show for OUR times.

DISCLAIMER: the above views are not my own but they were fun to type

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I Say screw all that! give me a series about my Icaran Empire, brutal, uncompromising, with a drive to be the supreme Government no matter the cost, an empire based on the divine creation of man conquering the heathen Xeno filth, and bringing all the so called "star nations" under the sway of the Praetor!

Anyway http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif it would make a cool show wouldn't it?

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Dictators and military conquests should not looked at with glee....

But it would make for good tv... maybe a mini series.

Down with Praetor.

Up with Consortium

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They need to just hire a few of us to write a series for them.

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You know what, no one has given thought to what UPN will replace enterprise with....

I have a brilliant idea! A Science Fiction Fantasy Reality Show.