Starbase upgrades
 

You probably already do this, but since it has been working so well for me, I figured I'll post it here.

Starbases are expensive, and take a long time to build, so I did it incrementally:

SB0 - minimum life support plus a shipyard.
SB1 - repair bays, cargo holds, mine layers
SB2 - shields and armor, other tech that's already at max
SB3+ weapons, as they reach tech max

Each level of upgrade increases price by 50%, and doesn't replace any parts, only adds new parts. It shortens the construction time and the resources aren't wasted buying replacement parts for outdated technology, and the starbase is partially operational along the way.

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This is a common technique referred to as "retroseries" building. It's more costly overall, but does save time.

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I never thought of applying it to starbases, though.

Idea - If you have repair bays on there from the start, the construction ship doesn't have to hang around past the retrofit.

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The Space Yard handles that nicely, as it repairs as well. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Another thing you can do with retroseries builds towards very expensive ships (such as stellar manipulation ships or RW bases) is to pad early designs with components that have high cost per kiloton, such as plague bombs and null space projectors. Plague bombs work especially well because they cost mostly organics. They help to get the most total overall cost with the lowest cost in any particular resource. NSPs have a high radioactives cost, which helps with this as well. Master Computers are possibly the most expensive (non-SM) component per kiloton.

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Been trying to figure out the price difference. I can minimize the cost difference by having little or no parts that need replacement -- the ship just grows bigger through the series. It does make the series a bit longer, having to retrofit several times.

Is there a charge for the hull?

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The cost of the hull is included in each ship design. When you make a new ship design and select the hull, there is an intial cost. This is the cost of the hull itself.

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Nice suggestion with the Plague Bombs, Fyron. Really good !

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As far as I remind, the shields générator are the most expensive per kT. I use them to retrofit sphereworld's components. (about 9-10 retrofits)

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I tried to do something like this with a ship once..... placed only B/CQ/LS on it, built it then tried to retrofit it into a warship to achieve SEIII type construction..... my first encounter with the G*DDARNED 150% cost barrier. I'll up the barrier significantly for Capship.

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If a ship can retrofit itself, you could have self assembling starbases and ships! Just stick a shipyard on it, and it builds itself! If the last design doesn't have a shipyard on it, however, then you gotta have a repair bay in the sector.

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Then again a spaceyard component takes 400 kT and cant be removed afterwards so it doenst make sense on ship, unless using baseships.

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or modded ship.....

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Its only adding a spaceyard or colony module that is a problem. You're free to remove them at any time.
Still, the fact that it takes up 400kt and you'd have to have a spaceyard elsewhere to have built it in the first place really defeats the purpose.

Now, if you were to include a repair bay, and place BSYs at strategic locations along the route your ships take, you could have them retro as they pass the BSYs, and repair the new components as they move towards the next BSY and eventually your front line combat zone.

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Or you could just build the final model and save time on micromanagement and resources. You could instead use the extra resources on another spaceyard ship, so that you can build 2 bases at the same time...

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A factory line! I love it!