OT - Computer Issues (aka \"blue screen of death\")
 

Aren't computers great? They make our lives so much simpler, don't they?

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

So, the newest issue is a steady stream of OE : 0028 errors. Examples:
OE : 0028 : F7EFDD29
OE : 0028 : F7D4DDB7
OE : 0028 : F7EFF029
Tried searching for clues at Microsoft.com... we all know how simple that is... nada. Most of these happen at an attemted reboot, especially when an application is performing the sequence (You must restart your computer before the blahblahblah... Do you want to restart your computer now? [Y/N])

System:
WindowsMe
2.4 Ghz Pentium4
1024MB RAM
Maxtor 60GB Harddrive

Any clues, oh my esteemed colleagues?
Turin Master of Doomed Computers
(I'm on my laptop... this one's probably next to go...)

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Turin,

Have you tried booting up in 'safe' mode? It's a long shot, but I've found that one cycle of properly booting and shutting down Windows can often fix nasty stuff.

As for the 'you must restart... blah blah' stuff... I prefer to do that myself... I think I'm more than capable to reboot a computer...

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I concur. Usually such cycles of rebooting produce good results for me too. I've rebooted the f@##er 20+ times today though and been in and out of safemode at least three.

Currently reading at CNET about an Me update called Kb89something that may be doing it. I'll post back if that pans out.

Thanks Mr. Duckie
Turin

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Got any of these games installed

• Microsoft Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings
• Microsoft Age of Empires II: The Conquerors Expansion
• Microsoft Age of Empires II Gold Edition
• Microsoft Baseball 2001
• Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator 2: WWII Pacific Theater
• Microsoft MechWarrior 4: Vengeance
• Microsoft Midtown Madness
• Microsoft Motocross Madness 2

And what chipset and video card does it have

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No. None of those. Well... MS-CFS-1, not the PacificTheater one.

Why? Think its a video card issue? I'm running a Matrox G550 Dualhead with a (can't see it thru the bluescreen) chipset.

Side note: That KB-thingy was on my computer; it's a security update for Me from January that a lot of folks are struggling with. The advice at CNET was uncheck it in Startup and run without it till Gates gets his head out of his @$$. Thought that fixed it, but installed my new Kaspersky Antivirus (highly touted, that) and got another 0028 error at manual reboot.

oop. ack.
Turin

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OH. What chipset is the Motherboard? It's a SOYO with an Intel845 chipset.

Turin

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OK thats good, there were some VIA/Nvidia errors with sim ID's

Well then, First I would pull some memory, about 256meg would be a good place to start. 98 Has issues with 512 or more. Then I would boot to safe mode and use MSconfig to back everything out and start adding one setting at a time until I got the error again.

If it BS's in safe mode then its hardware most likly. Try reseating the vid card and the memory and run a VOM past the power supply.

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Your sig banner disturbs me T. I suppose that's the point.

I have no prob's in Safemode. (Aside from having to hot-key around cuz my USB mouse doesn't work). BTW it's not 98, it's Me. I haven't heard about problems with large RAM with it.

Are you suggesting pulling almost everything out of the Startup Programs and then reboot add one reboot add one reboot add one reboot, etc? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/Sick.gif...ugh. I guess I will if I have to.

By "run a VOM past the power supply" do you mean Volt/Ohm meter? Like insufficient voltage?

I'll reseat the Matrox and the memory.

Turin (hey man, thx for the time)

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Insufficient voltage is the nice problem.
Too much voltage is the scary problem http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

I lost a lot of hardware a few years ago because of 13v instead of 12v

Your BIOS probably has some voltage and temperature readouts to look at.

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That is the intent. But it does not do as much as you might first think. I tend to use it to catch comcast rolling my IP addy over.

ME does have the memory addressing issues that all 98 systems have.

Yes, I do see a lot of diagnostic reboots in your future.

And yes about the VOM. Actually a $5 volt meter would work just fine. I would be looking for a low 3.3 rail or AC leakage. But the 5 and 12+ could be at fault to.

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SOYO Hardware Monitor_tm:

Temperatures: Chassis=88F, CPU=112F
Fan Speed = 2680rpm
Voltages: VCore=1.47v, +12V=12.09v, +3.3V=3.31v, +5V=5.1v, AGP=1.5v, DRAM=2.44v

Seems peachy.
Turin

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Yep they look ok

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On a side note (sorry Turin!) what is a safe range for CPU and hard drive temperatures?

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I've had similar problems with 98 and the only way I could fix it was to reformat and reinstall.

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This depends on the CPU. Most AMD CPUs are rated for pretty high temperatures. 90 Celcius or so (about 190 Fahrenheit!) But people try to keep them much lower out of simple prudence. Running an AMD Athlon at 40 to 50 Celcius is considered 'ok' in most power user circles.

I don't know if any hard drives are equipped with temperature sensors. They definitely can overheat, but I don't think it's an urgent enough issue to be followed like CPU temperature is.

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Well, without looking, my first reaction is to say to update BIOS, then all lower level drivers. (video, anything on the motherboard)
Other than that, I'd say get rid of WinMe. WinXP is much nicer. Heck, even Win2k is better than WinMe.

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I had a simular thing happen to my blue box 2k machine. I called in one of the two customer service things you get with windows (2 free tech support help calls and then you pay).

They helped me to reload a previous good load of the system and all was fine until the HD Failed.

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Bite your tongue, young man.

I can't believe no one's got a way to decode these errors.

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I've fixed some pretty fubared systems before, but I can't do it over a bulletin board or even IM chat program. Nothing beats being physically at the machine for debugging and such.
Sorry

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Well hard drive temperatures can be urgent... Where I live, in the summer it's always dusty. My hard drive is equipped with a temperature sensor, and one day when I checked it, it said the hard drive had a temperature of over 200 degree Fahrenheit! Cleaned out the fan system of the half-inch of dust that was coating everything, checked again after allowing time to cool, and the temperature dropped to 76F. I'm betting that if the hard drive was running at over 200 degrees for very long, it could have easily resulted in a failure.

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IIRC Windows ME was simply the most terrible bugridden Windows ever..... IIRC the bugs from both 98 AND XP combined into one fantastic little moronic system.

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I think ME was the most hardware dependent in terms of bugs.

For instance I had one system which refused point blank to even install. Got a new system and not having my copy of 98SE around decided to chuck ME at it and it worked like a dream with far less problems than I'd had with the 98SE system. Strange really

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I've had ME on this machine since 01. Have never had a major crash, even through major hardware changes.

But minor crashes like this one yesterday.... countless. And the annoying thing is I end up fixing them and never really find out what the actual problem was. "Oh, look, I have apparently fixed it."

It seems that removing a certain amount of stuff from startup, reseating the vid and RAM, and whatever other 5hit I did in cleaning out the registry has got it up and running. Whatever.

Thanks to all who took the time to post. I honestly believe this is the friendliest community I've ever been a part of. Online AND OFFLINE, with the exception of maybe my church.

May-Your-Suns-Shine-Forever,
Turin