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I know many of us have probably read books in the Honor Harrington series...

Has anyone started on any mod or models for this universe of space combat....?

Kana

I believe Phoenix-D had started work on a HH mod some time ago.

As a side note, said mod should never be mentioned to DW, as he would most probably then have to take legal action. He's serious about stuff like that; no fan fiction is allowed in his forum, nor does he read it. Stems from a case where a writer lost control of his works due to fan-fiction.

Or just that seeing any fan fiction reminds him of how easy it is to knock out a HH plot:

Take a charcter who's never wrong, surround with senior officers/politicans who are wrong. Chuck in evil/incompetent/stupid liberals and a superior sized enemy. Leave to boil and then finish off with a large bloody space battles where random bridge officers die like flies and Honor wins just before the re-inforcements arrive.

Nothing wrong with that, I've found them well written and very readable. Tad predictable though.

Thank you...

It just seems that this style of combat, and other such science and background would fit well to a mod for SEIV or SEV....Yet another on my list...really enjoying the books right now...have hunted down a few websites with various info for background and such...

Kana

The Baen forums have tons of info. Also, www.thefifthimperium.com.

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Kana said:
Thank you...

It just seems that this style of combat, and other such science and background would fit well to a mod for SEIV or SEV
Kana

Well, I can't comment on SE5, but it actually isn't well suited to se4 at all:
1- You can't mod missile pods or LACs properly, because units can't fire seekers in se4.
2- Although Honorverse does have some warp-point like objects in it, they rely heavily on "directional" FTL. Impossible in se4.
3- Due to the impeller wedge, Honorverse combat is all about firing angles and facings. Guess what: se4 don't do that.

Of course you can gloss over these restrictions and mod it anyway, but I don't think the end product will "feel" very Honorversey. It will just be basic se4 with the techs tweaked to give a different seeker/ beam/ fighter balance.
That said, it will probably come out closer to the Honorverse than Trek/SW mods are to their respective canons, so ignore me and do it anyway.

BTW, a forum search should yield at least one big long thread on this very subject.

Units can most certainly fire seekers in SE4.

Ahhh, satellites 7 wep plats, of course.

Not fighters and drones though, surely.

Yes, fighters can and do fire seekers, such as in the Carrier Battles Mod... heck, I think drones can carry them in stock!

LACs and missile pods could be implemented quite well as fighters and possibly drones, though I'm not too sure how well drones would work as missile pods. You'd either have missile pods that can move on their own, or you'd have the AI launching them all at the beginning of combat and having them sit there, hoping someone would stray too close.

The biggest problem with trying to make an HH mod is the EW capabilities the series makes such a big deal of. In the books, ECM can work wonders against a volley of missiles, missiles themselves can carry jammers and such to play hell with enemy PD fire control, and EW drones can actually fool enemies into thinking you have more/fewer/stronger/weaker ships than you actually do. In SEIV, ECM is irrelevant against missiles, missiles have a flat across the board defense bonus in settings.txt that technology can't change, and EW drones simply aren't possible. You could try fixing the ECM issues with missiles by using drones instead, but aside from the issues of how to make non-ramming drones one-shot items and the impossibility of dedicated ECM drones helping nearby drones avoid shots, that would make fighters unusable as LACs or missile pods because units can't have cargo.

Drones can definitely fire seekers in stock - I have tried a drone carrier stocked with large drones loaded with missiles. Seemed to work great in combats where the enemy did not have enough point defence.

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The biggest problem with trying to make an HH mod is the EW capabilities the series makes such a big deal of. In the books, ECM can work wonders against a volley of missiles, missiles themselves can carry jammers and such to play hell with enemy PD fire control, and EW drones can actually fool enemies into thinking you have more/fewer/stronger/weaker ships than you actually do. In SEIV, ECM is irrelevant against missiles, missiles have a flat across the board defense bonus in settings.txt that technology can't change, and EW drones simply aren't possible. You could try fixing the ECM issues with missiles by using drones instead, but aside from the issues of how to make non-ramming drones one-shot items and the impossibility of dedicated ECM drones helping nearby drones avoid shots, that would make fighters unusable as LACs or missile pods because units can't have cargo.

That is one of my problems with making an SFB mod...EW can effect seekers in that it can actually decrease the damage. Plus you can have an ECM drone escort other drones or even a ship, and make them harder to hit by PD or other fire. Not to mention scout special sensors which do all kinds of things in SFB, like breaking lock on of seekers for one...or provide ECM/ECCM to other friendly units...I hope that this may be moddable in SEV...As for any mod...it can't hurt to try...One may always be surpised...

Kana

A partial, official timeline for the latest stuff. Richard Earnshaw is DW's next-door neighboor, so he can post stuff like this.

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Subject: Official (partial) timeline from the MWW
Author: Richard Earnshaw
Date: 14 Jun 2005 02:55 PM
Originally Posted: 14 Jun 2005 02:54 PM
Okay, people are talking about times and dates, so I asked the MWW if I could share a few dates with you. He approved, and has actually vetted this post. Please note that these are drawn from his official timeline -- which is worked out on a literally day-by-day basis -- but that he reserves the right to "adjust" dates if necessary, as long as the adjustments don't conflict with anything he is specifically stated in the published books. All dates are Post Diaspora. Also note that these dates are selected, not all-inclusive, and that dates out of AT ALL COSTS have been deliberately omitted, except for a few events already covered in the snippets. It's possible that there are some minor typos in here which neither David nor I caught, but I think it's clean, and the MWW says that with the provisos already noted above, these can be considered "canon."

EVENT DATE
Thomas Theisman overthrows Saint-Just 05/10/1915
Abigail Hearns graduates Saganami Island 06/25/1918
Battle of Refuge 08/02/1918
Gauntlet completes repairs 05/12/1919
WAR OF HONOR begins 06/23/1918
CROWN OF SLAVES begins 06/01/1919
Honor deploys to Silesia 07/27/1990
Congo liberated 08/20/1919
Berry chosen as Queen of Torch 09/05/1919
Coronation of Queen Berry 10/26/1919
Second Havenite War begins 11/10/1990
Honor returns to Manticore from Marsh 02/01/1920
Aivars Terekhov assigned to Hexapuma 06/12/1920
Honor addresses "Last View" 06/23/1920
Firebrand's first meets Agnes Nordbrandt 06/24/1920
Snotties arrive on board Hexapuma 06/25/1920
Raid on Alizon (AAC) 07/01/1920
Anisimovna and Bardasano meet Verrochio 07/02/1920
Howard Clinkscales' funeral (AAC) 07/05/1920
Hexapuma departs SKM for Lynx 07/19/1920
Westman's first operation on Montana 07/29/1920
Nordbrandt announces FAK's existence 07/29/1920
Hexapuma arrives Spindle 08/05/1920
News of FAK reaches Spindle 08/06/1920
Anisimovna and Bardasano meet with
Eichbauer and Harahap 08/07/1920
Harahap begins working for Mesa 08/08/1920
Anisimovna & fellow conspirators meet with
Roberto Tyler 08/08/1920
FAK mall bombings on Split 08/12/1920
News of FAK bombings reaches Spindle 08/19/1920
Hexapuma arrives Nuncio 08/20/1920
Westman attacks RTU facility on Montana 08/21/1920
Harahap meets with Westman 08/23/1920
Hexapuma captures Anhur in Nuncio 08/25/1920
News of Westman's FIRST op reaches Spindle;
dispatches sent to recall Hexapuma 09/01/1920
Nordbrandt loses actions sell one Kornati 09/05/1920
Harahap confers with Nordbrandt 09/09-11/1920
Westman bombs planetary bank 09/15/1920
Report of Nordbrandt's possible death reaches
Spindle; priority shifts to Westman 09/20/1920
Hexapuma (at Celebrant) receives dispatches 09/20/1920
News of FAK mall bombings reaches
Montana via freighter 09/24/1920
News of Montana bank attack reaches Split 09/25/1920
Hexapuma arrives Rembrandt 09/26/1920
Hexapuma arrives Spindle with Van Dort 10/07/1920
Hexapuma departs Spindle for Montana 10/08/1920
Technodyne BCs arrive at Monica 10/09/1920
Nordbrandt's "I'm back" attacks 10/11/1920
First Monican BCs enter yard hands 10/18/1920
News of Nordbrandt's new attacks
reaches Spindle 10/20/1920
Hexapuma arrives in Montana 10/20/1920
New orders sending Hexapuma to Split
dispatched to Montana 10/21/1920
Van Dort, Terekhov, & Westman meet
for the first time 10/25/1920
Hexapuma's orders to Split reach Montana 10/31/1920
Hexapuma departs for Split; the name
"Firebrand" first surfaces 11/01/1920
Harahap returns to Monica & reports 11/05/1920
FAK 1st weapons shipment landed 11/16/1920
Hexapuma arrives Split from Montana 11/18/1920
FAK 2nd weapons shipment landed 11/18/1920
Terekhov & Van Dort confer w/Rajkovic 11/19/1920
Jessyk Combine ship departs Split
for Montana 11/20/1920
Freedom Alliance base camp attacked 11/26/1920
FAK weapons identified as Solarian 11/27/1920
"Firebrand" IDed as source of FAK weapons 11/30/1920
Hexapuma departs Split for Montana 12/01/1920
Dispatch boat departs Split for Spindle with
reports of discoveries there 12/02/1920
Terekhov's dispatches from Split reach
Spindle; Rajkovic's letter recalls
Tonkovic to Parliament 12/10/1920
Tonkovic departs Spindle for Split 12/14/1920
Hexapuma arrives Montana 12/17/1920
Van Dort, Terekhov, & Westman meet 12/19/1920
Jessyk Combine ship arrives Montana from
Split; identified; Ragnhild Pavletic KIA;
ship captured 12/20/1920
Van Dort & Terekhov tell Westman who
he's really been working with 12/22/1920
Tonkovic arrives in Split 12/22/1920
Tonkovic first appears before Parliament 12/23/1920
Westman accepts amnesty 12/23/1920
Terekhov sends dispatches to Tillerman,
Talbott, & Dresden for reinforcements 12/24/1920
Terekhov steals Copenhagen & sends her to
Monica on reconnaissance 12/25/1920
Technodyne missile pods deployed Monica 12/28/1920
Tonkovic informed impeachment proceedings
will be instituted within days 12/31/1920
Terekhov's orders reach Dresden 01/01/1921
Tonkovic formally decides to resign 01/02/1921
Terekhov's orders reach Talbott 01/02/1921
Terekhov's orders reach Tillerman 01/05/1921
Units from Dresden arrive Montana 01/10/1921
Constitutional Union Party boats out draft
Talbott Cluster constitution 01/11/1921
Units from Talbott arrive Montana 01/17/1921
Terekhov departs Montana to rendezvous
with Copenhagen 01/18/1921
Terekhov's dispatches reach Spindle 01/26/1921
Khumalo & all available units are depart
Split for Monica 01/27/1921
Copenhagen arrives at Monica 01/28/1921
Terekhov reaches rendezvous point 02/01/1921
First Monican battlecruisers recommission 02/04/1921
Khumalo's report reaches Manticore 02/10/1921
Copenhagen reaches rendezvous point 02/10/1921
Home Fleet reinforcements sent to Monica 02/11/1921
Terekhov & squadron arrive at Monica;
Battle of Monica 02/16/1921
Khumalo arrives at Monica 02/23/1921
Home Fleet dispatch boat reaches Monica 03/27/1921
Home Fleet reinforcements reach Monica 04/04/1921
Hexapuma completes temporary repairs;
departs Monica for SKM 06/02/1921
Hexapuma & Warlock reach Lynx Terminus 07/18/1921
Hexapuma & Warlock return to Manticore;
SHADOW OF SAGANAMI ends.

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I was thinking about this, while you can't make missiles harder to hit, you can make the missiles harder to kill, which amounts to the same thing. So when you research better EW/ECM tech you get access to missiles with better seeker damage resistance.

Don't directly add EW drones, but change the stealth armour component to 0 mass, one per ship, different picture and whatever bonus you want the EW drone to have. So you can hide ships and/or give them a good defence to hit bonus.

Ship board EW against missiles I've got a vauge idea. Say emissive armour so the EW can reduce the damage from missiles. ECCM could be added as tougher PD weapons.

So it comes out that you don't research weapons. There would be no tech tree called 'missiles' instead a variety of EW techs which lead to missiles, sensors, etc.

Just my 54,000.00 Turkish Lira

Higher EW tech could also give you the capability to have more EW drones on the ship.

Or, (Would be more micromanagement, but some people like that) EW drones could be, uh, those fire-and-forget ships. Are they called drones too?

(Not enough sleep last night)