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MarkSheppard June 23rd, 2005 09:25 PM

Full Screen Screen Flashing
 
I have a LG Flatron L1750S, and in 800x600 full screen
mode; the screen occasionally flashes; double deuce over
on the SZO forums has said he's got the same problem;

Here are my system specs:

Asus A7N8X-X
Athlon XP 2600+
1024 MB RAM
Direct X 9.0c
GeForce 6800 (128MB)
Realtek AC97 Audio

Mobhack June 23rd, 2005 10:11 PM

Re: Full Screen Screen Flashing
 
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MarkSheppard said:
I have a LG Flatron L1750S, and in 800x600 full screen
mode; the screen occasionally flashes; double deuce over
on the SZO forums has said he's got the same problem;

Here are my system specs:

Asus A7N8X-X
Athlon XP 2600+
1024 MB RAM
Direct X 9.0c
GeForce 6800 (128MB)
Realtek AC97 Audio

Just playing the game "straight" - or have you alt-tabbed out and back in a few times, and maybe started other applications while it was minimised?.

If the latter - It's mentioned in the Manual, Tuning Your Machine section, Full screen sub-section.

Quote:


Unlike many full screen DirectX games, we allow you to ALT-TAB out to the desktop from Full Screen DirectX mode. This is at your own risk of course!. However we have not noticed any real problems, except that sometimes on returning to the game you may get a "psychedelic" screen, as windows has destroyed the game palette. The cure for this is to go into a sub screen which disables and then re-enables the colour cycling. Thus if in the game screen, open the preferences screen and exit it and the game palette should be restored. This effect seems to be graphics card related. A few of our playtesters had this happen frequently, most had to really try to get it to happen and some never saw it. It also seems to be related to how many other programmes you had up and running either before you started the game, or tried to run while the game was ALT-TABBED to the task bar.


Is this what you mean by "flashing", and if so - were you ALT+TABBING in and out of the game?.

Cheers
Andy

MarkSheppard June 23rd, 2005 10:34 PM

Re: Full Screen Screen Flashing
 
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Mobhack said:
Just playing the game "straight" - or have you alt-tabbed out and back in a few times, and maybe started other applications while it was minimised?.

If the latter - It's mentioned in the Manual, Tuning Your Machine section, Full screen sub-section.

I play "straight" and it's not psychidelic colors; but more
of a screen corruption/flash that's on for like a second and
then things are back to normal; it's caused me some
concern, as I just got this monitor, and am very
worried about damaging it, etc.

DRG June 23rd, 2005 10:45 PM

Re: Full Screen Screen Flashing
 
Do you see all the colours change when this happens or just some of them? Does the flashing seem regular at all ( like every couple of minutes)?

Don Goodbrand

Mobhack June 23rd, 2005 10:54 PM

Re: Full Screen Screen Flashing
 
Quote:

MarkSheppard said:
I play "straight" and it's not psychidelic colors; but more
of a screen corruption/flash that's on for like a second and
then things are back to normal; it's caused me some
concern, as I just got this monitor, and am very
worried about damaging it, etc.

- does it happen in windowed mode on that monitor?
- does it happen at a particular time/game screen/firing event etc?
- what exactly do you mean by "flashing"
- a few pisels in some field tiles (say) sparkle
- the entire screen goes white ?

If we can tie down the symptoms, then we can zoom in on it.

NB - this other person with the problem, what is similar with his box to yours (if anything)? - video card, flat screen monitor, motherboard etc. That info would probably help.

Cheers
Andy

MarkSheppard June 24th, 2005 01:14 AM

Re: Full Screen Screen Flashing
 
Quote:

Do you see all the colours change when this happens or just some of them? Does the flashing seem regular at all ( like every couple of minutes)?

Don Goodbrand

The Flashing is a regular thing, every couple of minutes it
seems, and I looked closer at it, and it seems to me that the
entire screen goes all gray for a split second. I'll try to
get you video of the event with FRAPS.

Double_Deuce June 24th, 2005 09:43 AM

Re: Full Screen Screen Flashing
 
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Mobhack said:NB - this other person with the problem, what is similar with his box to yours (if anything)? - video card, flat screen monitor, motherboard etc. That info would probably help.

MarkSheppard - is probably talking about me. My screen does not go blank or anything. Mine is almost like a powersurge. I get the same thing when I unplug the powere suply to run off battery and vice-versa. The brightness goes up or down for a split second. In the case of WinSPMBT it goes brighter, not alot but noticable.

The one this is doing it on is an HP Laptop (Haven't tried it on my regular HP desktop PC).

HP Pavillion zv5000
XP Home SP2
AMD Athlon (64) 3200+, MMX, 3DNow
512 MB RAM
DirectX 9.0c
NVIDA GEForce4 440 Go 64M
SoundMAX Integrated Digital Audio

FJ_MD June 24th, 2005 02:06 PM

Re: Full Screen Screen Flashing
 
When you notice these flashes? I mean, always or only when a specific menu is in sight(example, in the scenario selection menu)?

Double_Deuce June 24th, 2005 02:30 PM

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FJ_MD said:
When you notice these flashes? I mean, always or only when a specific menu is in sight(example, in the scenario selection menu)?

Just about always and it occurs at random times ,seems to anyways. I am not too concerned iut doesn't seem to bother anything. I will keep an eye on it.

Stirling June 24th, 2005 02:40 PM

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I have this problem, too. It is intermittent and very brief, and appears to be a rise in gamma. I play in 800x600 fullscreen.

I've only seen it when looking at the map. It may be happening on menu screens as well, but I haven't noticed it. I've never alt-tabbed out and have very little running in the background.

I've included my DxDiag file.

FJ_MD June 24th, 2005 02:48 PM

Re: Full Screen Screen Flashing
 
What about the windowed mode? do you see it also there?

MarkSheppard June 24th, 2005 04:51 PM

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What about the windowed mode? do you see it also there?

Nope, not in windowed mode. Only in full screen mode.

Mobhack June 25th, 2005 12:05 AM

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Double_Deuce said:
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FJ_MD said:
When you notice these flashes? I mean, always or only when a specific menu is in sight(example, in the scenario selection menu)?

Just about always and it occurs at random times ,seems to anyways. I am not too concerned iut doesn't seem to bother anything. I will keep an eye on it.

So - is rhe common thread here:
- All experiencing it when in full screen DirectX mode
- all have a laptop
- All have therefore some sort of power management routine going on (unlike most desktops)

If so - is it happening when running on battery or mains or both?

if so - what happens if you run off mains and shut all power-management stuff off temporarily?

if the problem then goes away, it would seem to be related to an interaction between full screen DirectX and the power management system on (some?) laptops.

Just a wild guess, but I wonder if it's the case?


Cheers
Andy

MarkSheppard June 25th, 2005 02:26 PM

Re: Full Screen Screen Flashing
 
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Mobhack said:
So - is rhe common thread here:
- All experiencing it when in full screen DirectX mode
- all have a laptop
- All have therefore some sort of power management routine going on (unlike most desktops)

I have a desktop PC, but a LCD Monitor; this could be related to LCDs somehow...

DRG June 25th, 2005 02:56 PM

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MarkSheppard said:


I have a desktop PC, but a LCD Monitor; this could be related to LCDs somehow...

It doesn't seem so. One of the early reports of this was on a CRT.

Trust us... this is very frustrating and we **ARE** trying to figure out what combination of HW/SW is casuing this and the more info people who encounter this give us the better. It's very difficult when it runs rock solid on the programmers two machines and mine as well.

Don

MarkSheppard June 25th, 2005 03:17 PM

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DRG said:
Trust us... this is very frustrating and we **ARE** trying to figure out what combination of HW/SW is casuing this and the more info people who encounter this give us the better. It's very difficult when it runs rock solid on the programmers two machines and mine as well.

Don't worry about it too much Don, it's a great game, take
your time sniffing out this bug.

Stirling June 25th, 2005 09:05 PM

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Happens on my desktop, too.

I noticed that it happened much more when I had several programs open at the same time while working on icons. I had WinSPMBT, PSP, Mobhack, W.Explorer, ShpEd, and Media Player(background music http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif) all open at the same time and the flashing was pretty constant.

Of course, it still happens with nothing else open, but not so distractingly.

DRG June 25th, 2005 09:28 PM

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Stirling said:
Happens on my desktop, too.

I noticed that it happened much more when I had several programs open at the same time while working on icons. I had WinSPMBT, PSP, Mobhack, W.Explorer, ShpEd, and Media Player(background music http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif) all open at the same time and the flashing was pretty constant.

Of course, it still happens with nothing else open, but not so distractingly.


That pretty much describles my normal operating enviroment during development exactly. However, I would be running windowed not full screen as I assume you were?? However, I'm running WinME and WinME doesn't flash on full screen ( for me anyway but lately I've been wishing it would ) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif


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