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I know this is one we'll never quite get around exactly, but at least, there is some info springing up about the next years.

Like this one article.

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more goodies for Iraq

Swiss Information Service

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Another one:

From Chinese Defense, loads of recent and useful if uncheckable data on Chinese hardware:

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When polish forces withdraw from iraq, they are going to leave lots of equipment to the iraqui army. This includes Sokol medium helos, and MI-24 gunships.

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The US military would demand that any and all equipment either be destroyed, removed, or secured. It will be a while before Iraqi guerillas have helos, tanks, etc.

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Basically, the info here was about official US-backed Iraqi forces.

Maybe at some point the guerilla forces should be shifted into the Red oob or something? Otherwise the IA pick would get a hell to choose rebels and governmental forces from the same list...

Right now there is no way to tell when there will be no need to picture Iraqi guerillas though.

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It is unlikely that the US military will permit any heavy weapons to be placed into the hands of post war Iraqi military elements. The Iraqi government is now significantly pro Iranian. The guerilla and foreign fighters will begin to be better equipped as they receive 'secret' assistance from foreign governments.

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Where do you get that from? At least until the US forces are out there is no way for the Iraqi government to be much anyting else as pro-US, at least officially. Now I can understand that the (large) part of the population that was quite pro-iranian was also neglected by the old regime, to say the least, and want to regain some political edge now. To consider that as a "pro-Iranian government" is going quite far for the moment. But maybe I have missed some devemopments? If so, I would be glad to have your sources.

As for the US administration "[not permitting] any heavy weapons to be placed into the hands of post war Iraqi military elements", they have already fielded numerous hardware from various sources, including China; look at the previous posts for info on this.
There were also plan to give away as much as 500 Abrams and 750 M60A3 tanks, among much other hardaware (Bradleys, Apaches, Patriots...),though I don't know what has become of it nor where the info came from...

They already are, and I don't think how they could be equiped any better: they already have used rare but deadly RPG-29s, I don't know the truth about the Syrian Kornets; anyway I guess they will go on fielding tough and basic weapons, light or heavy, since these are the best for guerilla warfare. Of course you cannot punch through an Abrams' front armor with a RPG7V, but you can smash nearly anything else (APCs, trucks, helos...), and it is much more reliable and cheaper.

"Secret" assistance from foreign countries doesn't stay secret for long right now. Which countries did you have in mind? Most of the support for the Iraqi guerilla comes from individuals and associations. No country wants to get involved in this, and these which have no political image to lose anymore don't have the money to waste on this.
Don't think that the rebels have powerful allies who will do whatever they must to give them top-notch warfare, which the guys generally aren't trained for and won't handle and store properly.
Have you seen any reports of US troops being attacked with high-tech weaponry lately? Or lots of such weapons being caught on the obrder by patrols?
There again, I would be glad to know, I quite lack recent info on all this. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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I have got some repports telling guerilla using 1000kg LGB from F-22 stollen at Neilly airport, but I may be wrong... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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I awlays thought that a sucide bomb would be a good choice somewhere in the OOB's. make it a Civilian Car Icon from the UN, with the same stats, but as an ammo carrier class.

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Listy, have you tested that?

That would be fine as a scenario start feature (bombing leading to the battle situation you will be dealing with), but now as a normal unit, an ammo carrier won't attack. It can be good to simulate something that is as well a suicide car and a carrier for light supply for insurgents. Sounds quite silly but well...

As well, I guess you could load an ammo canister into a car/pickup/light truck, and use that as a suicide bomb car? How would that work?

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When ammo trucks explodes, they do attack every body in the hexe and in the 6 adjacent hexes, but I don't know how to make it explode by itself...
I prefer use 155mm off-map batteries with 1 ammunition and really heavy experience (255), to create the surprise effect and the precision needed...
Other idea -> give your truck an huge armor to make it unbreakable from more than 1 hexe and then the ennemi will kill himself when assaulting... Don't know if it works...

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Tested: Sort of. and it works after a fashion (This was in 3.01) I am/was doing a campaign of the UK in Iraq taking over AN Nasriyah in September when the Italians pull out, with lots of COIN missions.

I had a Road block which was meant to be hit by a sueicide bomb, then followed by a small formation of Bad guy's attacking. However I also wanted to have several civilian vehicles moving around who where nothing to do with the fight.

As the AI doesn't recognize Ordnance carriers as a vehicle class, it should move them as trucks, which it does, however I haven't yet found a way of getting it to advance to within one hex of my formations neither Armour on the front or a pistol (Which Would IIRC work In spwaw).

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If you want to use it as a scenario start feature, like all the other such units, the best would probably be to put it in an hex next to the target and damage it heavily while deploying (crew=0).

Or you can work it the other way round by having it sitting on a lo-viz street corner with no move, and have your forces stumbling upon it and killing it right away, terrain geometry and overall visibility making sure the car is not seen too soon.
That would work as a kind of ambush.