Why Star Trek??
 

Ok, first off let me say that I do enjoy Star Trek. DS9 was my favorite, Voyager is good and I am eagerly awaiting both the new movie and the new show. Now here is my problem. IT IS BEING DONE TO DEATH!! I won't go on about how the shows cannabalize earlier shows as this is a SE4 post. This is about the wealth of shipsets that are either already out there or could be created. Star Trek is good but it is not the 'end all' of all science fiction (that and enough of the Janeway slamming, she's not that bad. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif. ). I love the trek shipsets but there are so many other sources that could be used for ideas (besides your own imagination.) We already have StarWars (very few though, with some annoying line problems on the mini's) and Starblazers (YES), and now someone has resurrected Space1999 (very well done I might add). But think of the possiblities (and the fun) of the more obscure. Here is my list of what I would love to see (yes my skills at moray, pov-ray currently suck, later I will hopefully release my own shipsets.) : Robotech, Battletech, L.E.G.I.O.N (dc comics), Moo1 & 2 (come on, where are those annoying Psilons?? http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif ), Warhammer (saw a partial shipset but when finished?), Wing Commander, Space Above and Beyond, Marvel Comics (Skrull, Sh'air, Kree, Starjammers {Pirates!!}). AD&D (Spelljammer anyone?), the Preditors(sp?) and of course SpaceBalls (would love to see them. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif ) There are tonnes more.(H.G. Wells anyone?)
I am not really dissing Trek, it is the archetype of most science fiction today and will be for a long time but there is just more out there.
Hopefully I didn't offend too many people, just wanted to let those with the art/ai skills know that some of us love the obscure as well as the established.
PS: EAGERLY awaiting the BSG shipset!

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"The Empress took your name away," said Chance.
Owen smiled coldly. "It wasn't hers to take. I'm a Deathstalker until I die. And we never forget a slight or an enemy." -Owen Deathstalker.

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Spaceballs.. now that would be cool! imagine a giant planet destroying mega-maid entering orbit of your homeworld. ( oh no!! it's mega maid, she's gone from suck to blow!!)

also some starcontrol2 shipsets could be fun, especially the speech files, I really liked the spathi and mycon for example.

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I think people enjoy the Star Trek mods because they can relate to them better than most other sci-fi based sets. Star Trek has been around for years and many people are quite familiar with it - so it makes a good start to role playing because you have an idea of how to behave as Klingons or Romulans, etc. Also, a lot of the gamers are under 20, so they won't really remember Battlestar on tv or Star Control from the early 90's.

For me, I haven't used any of the Star Trek mods, but even my own Spoogy Universe adjustments are very similiar - phasers, disruptors - they just seem more "realistic" than meson bLasters - what are mesons anyway?

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I have been working on ships for BFG using POV-ray, nearly done with the ships for chaos but still need some work with keeping details for the mini pictures, and have started working on the Imperial ships but not very far on those. Havn't started on a Chaos AI yet since I'm using the ships for my own race because I really like the look of them

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When I finally finish the Imperials, Chaos, Eldar, and Orks; I'm planning on trying to make ship sets up for TOG and Renegade Legions, although I would like to see the Kzinti from Star Fleet Battles and may get sidetracked. Only have so much time to work on them on breaks at work, or I end up not being able to spend time playing the game at home.

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Actually, you should check out the howe old are you post. You will find most of the modders are at an age that can remember BSG, Starblazers, 1999, and meny other shows.

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I would love to see a set on Space Above and Beyond, two problems prevent me from making one
A) I don't think they showed enough ships to make a proper set, I'll have to check though, since I ended up missing half the episodes.
B) I'm a horrible artist <G>

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dracus:
Actually, you should check out the howe old are you post. You will find most of the modders are at an age that can remember BSG, Starblazers, 1999, and meny other shows.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't mod yet, but I would give it a shot (At least a pic shipset) if I could find enough ship pic's to do a Space 1999 mod. That was always my fav show when growing up...

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There is another post were someone has done a shipset for 1999, they still need and AI. You should contact them and see if they need help.

(Gamer_tampa and I are doing the BSG sets and AI.)

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by capt_spoogy:
- phasers, disruptors - they just seem more "realistic" than meson bLasters - what are mesons anyway?[/b]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Half the particles in the universe are mesons (quark +anti-quark) http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif
So a meson bLaster is just a subatomic particle cannon.

Pick a decent meson to use, and shoot them at the enemy. It's so general a term that it can't help but work.

[This message has been edited by suicide_junkie (edited 29 March 2001).]

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Actually I really liked Star Trek, TOS and STNG were my Favorites..dont care much for Voyager, and only the Last couple years of DS9 were much good. As for the shipsets, it was easy to mod due to the availability of pictures, most of us either dont have the skills or the time (or both) to create a set from scratch. The games I play I use a variety of sets, Star Trek, Star Wars, the Modpack sets, couple others like the Taera (make great Klackons)...there are so many great sets out there. Go to Universal shipyard and you won't find any trek stuff..but I believe Last count was around 40 sets, some of which are pretty fantastic. But I still use some Trek stuff because I like it, as do many others. So if you want other sets besides Trek..they are out there, and plenty of them.

Sabre 21

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Would intellectual property issues prevent Malfador from adding any of these shipsets to official patches? I'd think modders doing them would fall under "fair use", but I'm not even sure about that.

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Cap'n Q

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Deathstalker,

Why Star Trek?

Why not Star Trek?

Nobody is suggesting that you must use the star trek shipsets or mods that are available. The "infinite diversity" of Trek lends itself very well to a SEIV format. It is something that is familier to many, and yet large enough to not become stale unless you concentrate on only one segment of it.

I have no artistic or programming talent whatsoever, but I put together a TrekMod that replaced all 26 races in the original game with various races from the Star Trek universe. I simply borrowed what was out there and put it all together in one package.

Probably there isn't another sci-fi franchiise with enough variety to do something on that scale, but you don't have to do that. There is nothing wrong with "mixed-universe" games. I think they add a lot of flavor.

All of you suggestions for alternates sound facsinating to me. Why don't you post some of them?

Oh, and Deathstalker, one more thing...


"Live long, and prosper." http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dracus:
Actually, you should check out the howe old are you post. You will find most of the modders are at an age that can remember BSG, Starblazers, 1999, and meny other shows.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Some of us remember Flash Gordon http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

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What about Buck Rogers (well, the 80's Version, at least...)?

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by capt_spoogy:
... phasers, disruptors - they just seem more "realistic" than meson bLasters - what are mesons anyway?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Mesons are the mediators of the strong nuclear force. The picture is that protons and neutrons are attracted because they toss mesons back and forth. Without the attraction of the strong nuclear force, the only thing left would be the repulsive electromagnetic forces between the protons (since "like charges repel"), and the nucleus would explode.
So presumably a meson bLaster would destabilize target nuclei. Imagine a group of jugglers who dislike each other, but they like juggling balls with each other enough to overcome their dislike. Then imagine the effect of throwing balls at them.

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Thanks for the kind comments on the Space 1999 and SB shipsets (amazing how many ship pics can be found on the net). It's nice to know it was appreciated. I do indeed remember Buck Rogers, Flash Gordon, BSG and all those funky old shows. Time to take another look Online and see how many ship pics can be found.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dracus:
Actually, you should check out the howe old are you post. You will find most of the modders are at an age that can remember BSG, Starblazers, 1999, and meny other shows.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
How about a "Josie and the Pussycats" mod? I can't believe they made a movie based on that!

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I think the movie makers have gone insane. They seem to be running out of ideas.

[This message has been edited by Dracus (edited 29 March 2001).]

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Holy, make a post at 3am when my brain is mush and wake up to 18+ Posts. Guess I hit the motherload. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif I am currently working on two shipsets in my spare time. (which is none, I tend to play too much!). One is a 'Lego' based set (yes, LEGO.) and the other is a 'psychic vampire' type race using the CuCappa AI as a template, need to find some skulls to use as ships though (currently using the Drushokka(sp?) shipset, just inverted the colors so they look like energy blobs). Will post once I like the look of both enough.
Oh, and for the age thing, yes I will hit the big three zero this summer, NOT looking forward to it. Last thing I remember was being 19 and going to University and playing Civ I and the first Wing Commander. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif
As always, thanks for putting up with my humble ramblings. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif

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"The Empress took your name away," said Chance.
Owen smiled coldly. "It wasn't hers to take. I'm a Deathstalker until I die. And we never forget a slight or an enemy." -Owen Deathstalker.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Krakenup:

Quote:

Originally posted by Dracus: Actually, you should check out the howe old are you post. You will find most of the modders are at an age that can remember BSG, Starblazers, 1999, and meny other shows.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Some of us remember Flash Gordon http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

FLASH! Ahh-Ahh! He'll save ev-ery one-of-us!

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How about Rocket Robin Hood anyone?? http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif Now that was classic T.V.!

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"The Empress took your name away," said Chance.
Owen smiled coldly. "It wasn't hers to take. I'm a Deathstalker until I die. And we never forget a slight or an enemy." -Owen Deathstalker.

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A few more for the files:

Voltron
Battle of the Planets (G-Force! (original Version, not the crappy one they're showing now))
Starjammers (?) - from Marvel Comics
Lyrans, Orion Pirates, Tholians, Gorn, Hydrans, Interstellar Concordium (ISC) - all from Star Fleet Battles (Andromedans from SFB were mentioned elsewhere on the forum, though not previously in this thread)

dmm - I was thinking "Josie and the Pussycats" too - probably because I, too, saw an article about the upcoming movie.

Deathstalker: any particular Lego space series? I've collected them on & off for years (since late 70's or so).

Edit: I almost forgot! "Pigs... In... Space..." (from the Muppet Show)!!

[This message has been edited by DirectorTsaarx (edited 29 March 2001).]

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Rocket Robin Hood??!?!??! Good god, man. That's brilliant!!!

Band of brothers .. marching together .. heads held high in all kinds of weather ...

(Don't ask me why i can still remember that damn theme song)

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I've thought of a few other "classic" sci-fi universes, but very few lend themselves to SE4, mainly because most books focus on people and planets, rather than large, diverse fleets of ships.

Having said that, the races could be implemented, and what little ship information available could be expanded/improved/etc. to fill out the ship construction tree.

For example:
Dune: all the various Houses, etc. could become races (imagine fighting the Bene Gesserit - religious AND psychic...)

Niven's Known Universe: replace ruins with Slaver tech; add the Puppeteers and Kdatlyno...

Mars Attacks... OK, this one is silly, but still...

Battlefield Earth (decent book, BAD movie)...

That should be enough for now.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Dune: all the various Houses, etc. could become races (imagine fighting the Bene Gesserit - religious AND psychic...)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Very cool idea. Religous and Psychic wouldn't work though with a 2000 point start, but with a higher point start could be done.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Mars Attacks... OK, this one is silly, but still...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I actually stared on this one but dropped it. May have to take another look. There is a "little green men" race available, I think on Universal Shipyards that is very close.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Battlefield Earth (decent book, BAD movie)...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Psychlos! Yeah! The book has a whole universe of races that didn't get into the movie. Very workable, and since most of it is in book form only, leaves a lot of room for someone with some creativity and artistic talent.
P.S. Am I the only one who didn't think the movie was that bad? Didn't come close to the book, but to do that you'd need 8 hours of film and half of the annual GNP. If you just view it as it's own piece of work maybe?

How about the Foundation series by Asimov? All are biologically human, but there is enough variety in cultures and demeanors to make for different "races".

Geo

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I vote for "pigs ... in ... space!". http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif

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This might be an interesting idea for someone who is a good artist and has lots of time on their hands.

A lot of people like the Star Trek universe, but don't like to follow the storylines in the show. It would be interesting to have someone create shipsets and data files for a "Star Trek" universe before the original series (sort of like the new Trek series) and that would allow more freedom in ship designs etc...but still be Star Trek. Or you could even do the future too...

Myself, I sort of loosely based my Spoogy Universe on Star Trek - but with enough my own ideas to make a little different.

By the way, have you visited the Spoogy Information Database?
http://spoogyfederation.tripod.com/index.html

All this promotion for 80 hits. It's sad really.

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Ok, there is a new Trek series in the works, but they have rejected a number of ideas so far. The current\old shows have covered SO much ground it is going to be hard to do much with the Trekverse (ie, Dominion war done, Borg done to death, Shapeshifters done, Klingon war vs Fed done.). This is my 2cents, have a show based on one of the following: An academy ship (similar to the Valiant from DS9), or the Federation breaks up and all go their seperate ways (could be fun, maybe based 50 years after breakup), StarTrek 50yrs after the Mirror Universe invades and wins, or a ship of Federation crew either trapped in the Mirror Universe or sent there to 'restore democracy and the federation' http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif. Boy do I have too much time on my hands.
And on a seperate note, the new movie was going to be a sequel to the Insurrection storyline directed by Stewart but the lack of interest (ie, movie sucked) has killed that storyline. (too similar to Ashes of Eden by Shatner for me to really enjoy the movie.)

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"The Empress took your name away," said Chance.
Owen smiled coldly. "It wasn't hers to take. I'm a Deathstalker until I die. And we never forget a slight or an enemy." -Owen Deathstalker.

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How about Gordon R. Dickson's Childe Cycle with the Dorsai, the Exotics, etc.

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All right, y'all opened a real can of worms here...

Downbelow Station series, Cherryh
Chanur series, Cherryh
Rama series, Clarke
Ender's Game series, Card
Ophiuchi series, Varley
Gap series, Donaldson
Crystal Singer series, McCaffrey
Tower & Hive series (Rowan, etc.), McCaffrey

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I like star trek because of the ship designs. I don't really love the show however, DS9 and TOS were great. For me, its the ships. I love their looks, designs, and such. Its really that simple. I just like the way they look, and I think its a kick in the arrss to command a fleet of 600 klingon Vor'Cha Heavy Battle Cruisers. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

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I personally would like them to make a all Klingon show, One that shows the klingon point of view, missions, etc.