Russian / Ukrainian Camo
 

What are the cammo schemes used the last 15 years for Russian and Ukrainian AFVs and when did they begin to appear?
The green/sand/black scheme seems to be standard in Russia but there is a lot of pictures with a light-gray/green/black scheme.

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Apparently the grey-green-black is the latest Russian scheme, but it also seems to be in service in Ukraine for some time now.
I've also seen some sand-greenish brown-black in Ukraine, but that may be nonstandard or abandoned.

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Not easy to sort things out.
Lots of the pics of the latest tanks and IFVs comes from expos and are painted with special flashy camos or export ones for the occasion. To add to the confusion, there are also parading units which may also have a non standard paint.

Anyway, Plasma's answer has already made some things clearer to me.

To stay on the subject, I 've almost finished a green 2S6 icon. What camoed version should I make?

2S6 What camo paint?
 

Just a preview from the green one.

Still nobody knowing which paint schemes are needed for the different nations using the tunguska?

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The moust used rusian and ALL Warsaw Pact camo for erything is dark green during all times.

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Pierre

This is a very nice Icon. Can I include it with the patch? I will create the alternate camo schemes.

Don

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Like so ( attached )

Usually I create five or six basic solid monotone Icons then use the freehand tool to slice them up and paste them together to create the two and three colour schemes. Mose times I end up with three times more than I need but that alows me to pick the best ones. When using the "slice and dice" technique there are always a few that don't quite cut it but it's 10 seconds of work to change it back

EDITED--- additional schemes included

Don

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Take this too

- The early model of SA-8 rockets without containers and only for four rockets ready to lanuch in the same time

- SA-3 Goa early model of lanucher for two rockets only

- SA-5 Gammon know as S-200 Vega in Rusia

- SA-2 Dvina famous AA rockets lanucher

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I was not soliciting Icons. I was asking one person if I could use one Icon and if he desen't answer it won't get used. I have time to change one Icon and make the adjustments to the OOB's that use it. I *will* look at these but I'm not making any promises that they will be included.

Don

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Don
I would be very happy to see it included in fact. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

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Done

I need you're full name for the GG credits

Don

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My full name is Pierre Arnoldy

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For theme Rusians vehicles icons

T-34/85 with dozer blade dark green icons.
BMP-1 improved icon version with Malutka rocket searchlight and driver door in hull
IS-1 know too as IS-85 early version of this famous tank with 85mm gun

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What about to make WP camo for T-72,M,M1 (with without ERA)?

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???

Green is the basic WP "camo" and two green basic T-72 Icons already exists in the game in icon #1474 and #2261 ( as well as two more in light green at 2672 and 2673 )


Don

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I dont like those light green ones, they dont look good, they are too lighty. I cant imagine a tank with such a camo scheme...

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You do understand that there are limits on how dark an Icon can be before all that " realism" makes them nearly impossible to find on a game map and all the detail that was added simply disappears? 2672 and 2673 are deliberately light. Apparently, Polish equipment must be a similar colour as all the Poles that do Icon work seem to favour it for just about everything. It also shows up on a game map quite nicely. I have also seen Yugoslavian equipment in a similar light green. Icons 1474 and 2261 are darker green . There are, however, new Icons in the patch for some of the earlier T-72's that is a Medium green slightly different than the green that 1474 uses. The game uses a restricted palette that I have changed and adjusted as far as it will go. There once was one choice for green on tanks and that was dark emerald green.

Don

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Back in what was it, 1998 - when Don was trying to get me onto the project, he sent his camo mods file to me. (I had heard of it but had not got to loading it yet).

Until then you had an "electric" lime green, a mud brown, and a zany electric blue-grey used by the Germans. And that was about it. We had been used to that in SP1, SP2 and SP3.

I loaded the camo mod, and was totally gobsmacked! - needless to say, I got on board the project that evolved into SP2WW2! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Perhaps we should upload a few snapshots of a few units in the original "colour" schemes since maybe some folk never played the game back in 96 or so?.

Nothing against the original colour - when the demo for SP1 came out on a game mag CD I played it for a weekend solid (the demo allowed the WW2 LC, the only restriction I recall was no scenario editor, and that all elevations were ignored - you could shoot through hills http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/redface.gif) and it was the nearest thing I had seen to 1/300 models on the PC screen. So I ordered the game from a mail-order firm (It was not available in the shops anywhere) on the Monday.

There is a 256 colour palette, and some of that is removed from play as it is for use as colour cycling items. What Don has managed to do with that restricted palette (and the work he has gone into in refining the set over the years), never fails to amaze me.

Cheers
Andy

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Im playing this game from begining (started with SP1) I do remember old icons for SP2 those new are light years away.Im not telling that Dons work isnt perfect, i just dont like those T-72 icons (2672,2673) becouse they looks too flat, and this light color is too glowy.What about add some cammo, to make them look more like those icons for PT-91? But if that will delay a patch, then forget about it,i will replace those icons in mobhack editor with others avaiable...

keep up good work!

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As I said...."There are, however, new Icons in the patch for some of the earlier T-72's "

And when you install the patch you will find some of them ,co-incidentally, in the Slovakian OOB

Don

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2672 and 2673 are not my Icons. They are based on my Icons but the paint job is not mine. The are, I belive, Blazej Ciepluch's.

Don

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What can i say? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Thanks

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I know

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Czesc as I saw you hate my icons http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif

DRG has right this icons was modified by me from Orginal SPcamo icons with small modifications like searchligh etc. They represents a polish green camo. This camo is more bright than standart Warsaw pact. I thinking today the same what you when I see this icons and another in this light green camo: Are to bright. So if I have plenty of time I planed make more darker icons to replace this and another with this polish camo because I saw in reality a polish military vehicles and are more darker. But are a little more lighter than rusian colors. I do this too a more "3D". Be patient that was one from my first icon arts and I'm not good in this like another for example this new Arjun tanks are a swift masterpice for me. I don't want use a green color from PT-91 because is here for simulate emerald green what is not included in game palete but used by polish army but only in emerald green - black - brick red camo. I thing the best color for replace this bright green should be a green from icon 2677. That schould be nice if you replace this icons what you write before and them post them in polish camo topic.

I have same idea: New topic when you can posts your improved existing icons with number of icon to replace. SPCAMO can see that and make a decision for replace or not.

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I dont hate your icons,only those two,dont take it personal.Your other work is really great,I tryed make icons for SP2 and SPMBT, and i know how hard it is. I must dissapoint you, i didnt mean that i will replace them with my own work, i mean that it is not too hard to swap them for others avaiable T-72s. I stopped all my work on my own icons after i saw Don and your work...

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You have an Arjun too? I built Arjuns in for WinSPMBT.

Don

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No no Don I mean your last Arjun are super masterpice I don't have mine icon of this tank.

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Well, I'm glad you like it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Don