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"Windows Vista is a huge leap forward in personal computing. Advances in reliability, security, ease of deployment, performance."
If reading is believing then believe it or not. Information I don't know whether I should laugh or cry at the ubsurd promises that this new OS offers. I seem to recall something very simular being stated about Windows 98, 2000, Me, and Xp and we all know how those turned out. I base no faith in what MS is selling but will buy it any ways once it goes to market, not because I am desprate for a solid OS, I am, but because its something MS is selling. And we all know what MS sells people buy. Why I simply cannot say, its like I am being commanded to by some sort of back door torjan virus in my mind which is telling me to. "Buy Vista. Vista is good. Buy Vista" I wonder how bug infest, virus friendly, user not so friendly, and fiendishly lacking in common sense this new OS will be. Any takers? |
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It sounds like an extremely LARGE patch for XP! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif
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Oh, but you MUST buy it.... so its not a patch, its a rip off.
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I think maybe, just maybe, this time people wont get trapped on the upgrade bandwagon. New features are running out, or at least the useful ones. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
I forget how many but there still a huge chunk of people on Win2K and using Office '97 because they still work. Why upgrade? Enter stage left Thermodyne ranting about new and better and lots of obscure features no non-admin would ever use. |
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VISTA Is =
Virus Inviting Shitty Tech Assiantance |
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A study was done a few years ago in the US that found that 84% of people were 'followers'. The ones the 'do what they are told'.
13.5% were found to be 'inovators' who will do what seems logical rather than what they are told. 2.5% are concidered 'Pioneers'. They are the ones that will find their own way of doing something. Based on this, I expect that 84% of people will be out there buying WinVista immidiatly. 13.5% will wait until the bugs have been found and fixed (the major ones anyway) and 2.5% will use something other than Windows completely. Just my 2 cents. |
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And if the system breaks down you will get the final message:
HASTA LA VISTA BABY |
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Vista sounds like some kind of cheap Chevy car model.
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Personally, I'll probably wait for quite a while before I buy Vista (if I ever do). Wait at least a year, probably more until they've found some of the major problems. Only some, because they'll never find them all. |
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Go Win98!
Go DOS 5.1! |
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No you want DOS 6.2, DOS at it's best. Apart from the minor problem that bill had stolen the entire disk compression utility from someone else. Well everyone's got to start their lawbreaking somewhere http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
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Screw all them there fancy *** rich man programs, I gots me windows 3.11 and I'z stand by it as the greatest OS of all time. And my 386 is the most powerful computer known to man.
(Side Note: While watching "FLED" the Boldwin boy talks briefly about his computer, I laughed so hard I about pee'd myself. "I have this sweet fully loaded 486 with a blazing fast 700 megabite hard drive." - Or something to that effect.) |
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You shouldn't laugh at those poor late 80s early 90s films. They're just trying to be up to date....
What as I saying? It's still damn funny and we all know it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif |
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I see a lot of posts here crapping on VISTA. Question would be this; How many of you have actually used it? And how many are just talking out the wrong end of their digestive tracts?
Vista does have a lot of improvements from a security point of view. I doubt they could make the same changes to XP/2K and not require a complete reinstall. And it has a lot of features for the home multimedia market. But I doubt the end product will be entirely like the 1st beta release. But you can bet that it will sell well, the vast majority of the market being preinstalled on new systems. As to the post speaking to Win2K and Office 97, why replace something that does what you need it to do. In the cooperate world, 2K systems are just reaching end of life cycle, and being phased out. Office 97 is a dinosaur, but if all you do is word process and email, it’s fine. If you look at the fortune 500, there is still a lot of NT and 9x out their. But they are often the same networks making the news with each new worm. I have 600 plus systems on 2K and XP now, and we have almost no MS related failures. I do build custom images that the supplier installs on the new systems, but the changes are mostly related to configuration and preinstalled software. The biggest problems we still have are stupid users opening email attachments and allowing web sites to install software. If the average MS user had the same skills as the average NIX user, MS products would be seen as much more reliable. But then that is one of the main reasons why people pay for MS, it’s more stupid friendly. And the vast majority of computer users are a step below stupid. I wish some of you could sit in on our help desk calls, you would come away with a whole new outlook on the state of the average joe/jane user. As to the complaints about the way MS does business and prices products, you guys don’t have a clue. Take a look at Autodesk or Microstation, they have some real draconian license systems. Price out some network support software for NIX. Run a help wanted ad for some NIX network staff. You will never be the same after those interviews! Now….don’t take this personal or feel insulted. But if you are running 9x you need to spend a few bucks and buy XP. And if you have XP and good hardware, and it’s not stable, you need to buy a book-take a class-hire some skilled help-what ever it takes to get your system set up properly. If you suffer from worms, viruses or spyware, see above, and for god’s sake get a hardware firewall and lock it down. Seriously guys, I don’t have any of the problems that I see posted here with the exception of crappy IDE hard drives, and I don’t buy them any more except for laptops. I do use a hardware firewall, I do run up to date AV software, and I do apply patches ASAP. I also have all of my systems on UPS’s. I don’t visit known loader web sites,I don’t open email attachment from unkiwn senders, and only from known senders when I’m expecting them to send me something. I do scan inbound email with AV software even though live scanning slows down the system. I don’t use protos that are known to be comp’d, and I don’t use crappy hardware just because it was cheap or on sale. I run many flavors of windows, I run some NIX, and I run some FreeBSD, they all work well for me. I can’t remember the last time I had a system crash that wasn’t do to some type of stupidity on my part or a dead hard drive. In closing let me say this; I used to do a lot of work on home user systems, I don’t do it any more unless I just can’t get out of it. I found that I was working my *** off, not making decent money and more often than not the damage was self inflicted. Usually I had to be bull****ingly polite, all the while I was wanting to say “Here’s your sign”. |
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When I heard months ago that the new more efficient hard drive allocation format was removed from Vista because it wouldn't be ready in time, I lost the last scrap of faith I had in Microslime. They don't want to innovate, they just want to slap a new GUI on peoples desktops every couple of years so people will be envious and want to buy it themselves. If I have to upgrade from Win-2K, I'll try Linux again.
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...And one truely atrocious pun...
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No windows product has ever lived up to the hype or what it's supposed to do. Ever. Thus you can easily say it will be awful because it will.
Hell I dislike the entire idea, you shouldn't care about the OS. What extra features, discounting security which Bill f*cked up in the first place, have been added since 95, hell since 3.1? I mean genuine 'Woot I've noticed a difference.' FAT32, ICS that works and slightly easier networking. I'm sure there's loads of things behind the scenes, but I haven't noticed them and all they've done is slow it down. It was said a '95 game ran, like for like, at least 10% slower than it's DOS equivalent. How bad is it now do you think? |
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What about ntfs? Group policy? Fast user switching? And only a fool would say that netbios/win's is better than tcp/ip and dns.
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Don't forget about a shinier interface, less crashes, and more compatability. XP is compatible with almost every program, if you take the time to tweak the compatibility settings. And there's the shiney interface... shiney interface, more shiney interfaces...
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Group policy and user switching. Well as its just me on this machine why would I care?
NTFS is wonderful, apart from nothing else being able to even look at it, so I don't use it. And all the volume security and other such stuff, yes I'm sure its wonderful for admins. I'm not an admin. As I said the networkings gotten better. Not as fast as it should and it still could be better, but yes Bill did add TCP/IP. Woot. Less crashes? Maybe. I had a WinME system that was solid. I realise though that I was perhaps just lucky with my hardware choices, others hated ME and all it stood for. XP on the other hand had to be reinstalled about 3 times in the first month (OK bad stats there as I had misc. hardware problems complicating things. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif) And compatability. Well if Bill hadn't changed everything for no benefit (to me at least. I was never a security muppet, I had a firewall and anti-virus) with XP the it wouldn't need compatability. Ohh shinier. Which in fact means 'slower'. |
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Most of us are basing our opinions of Vista on PAST experience with Microsft products. Lets count them... shall we.
Windows 95 Windows 98 Windows 98 2nd addition Windows ME Windows NT Windows 2000 Windows XP Home Windows XP Professional Of these I would say that most were NOT what they were billed to be. Hense the execution of Bill Gates in the South Park movie! |
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Shiney is good. Besides, you're not REALLY going to use all that 3.0 gigahertz of raw processing power, are you? Or 4 GHZ, or 5... Eh, you can turn it off if you want.
3.1 RULES! Simple, and to the point. Great for old laptops! |
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Thermo is completely right. If your not dumb when your using the computer you shouldn't have problems. The only Microsoft OS I have ever had problems with is Windows ME but I blame HPs slow destruction of Compaqs computer quality for that...
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I have Office 97 and 2000. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif I paid good money for both.
I also have, albeit I cannot find it, full version of win 98 2nd Edition, Win2k, and XP Pro. I can only use the XP Pro on ONE machine so I am saving it. I use Win2k on only one machine but I can use it on more... but I do not. |
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Thermo has it spot-on, but I dont expect anyone to agree with him. If you're happy hateing Microsoft, then keep on keeping on.
as with most things, each iteration of the windows operating system (with a couple of short-lived exceptions) has been better than the last. more stable, robust, secure. sure its sometimes a good idea to wait until SP1 comes out, but thats true for ANY developer's software. And if you have been keeping up with Longhorn development news, you'd already know that the portents for this release are pretty good. If you've only been keeping up with the hype, then you can keep on hating Microsoft and think they're copy cats that have stolen the Mac desktop theme. Ignore that Mac stole it from Gnome / KDE, which are both efforts to copy / improve on windows. The GUI wars go back to Xerox PARC; who cares where the first good idea came from, I'll take practical useability over originality any day of the week. |
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Well, I didn't notice much improvement from Windows 95 to 98 to ME, but Windows XP is definitely more stable and crashes much less often. I use XP at work and sometimes a month goes by without any problems.
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ME was, for me, a piece of trash. Crashed constantly. Now XP...works great for me, has never (that I can remember) crashed on me, and I've never had a security breach that I know of. Then again, I keep the antivirus up to date, don't open emails and/or attachments that I dont' know who they're from, have firewalls installed, etc. Which, as other's have said, is plenty used in conjunction with XP.
People hate MS because people hate success. That's just how the human psyche works it seems. He's successful, and we want to be as successful as he is, but can't be, so we'll hate him instead. |
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anyone going to the expense of running solaris shouldnt really be slowing it down with a gui. but, whatever.
I count ME as a short lived exception. it filled a tiny gap between 98se and XP for a short period of time, and never really needed to exist. and pretty much any "home" version of anything - which are basically stripped down versions of the real version, with more wizards and irritating assumptions made for you. and more packaged software... dont forget the preinstalled garbage. which is another reason alot of home users dont think windows works. it comes with all sorts of crazy junk from manufacturers and advertising partners that is likely to screw up your PC. I think its a testament to window's stability that it runs AT ALL with that garbage on there, and that its possible to write such diverse and unregulated trash in the first place. |
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Windows is the only operating system that runs my games. That's all I need.
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Besides, it comes preinstalled on what? 95% or more of computers? Hey, it comes with the computer, it works, it's compatible with practically everything, what more could you ask for?
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I just got my confirmation about the HP suite yestarday. Sure enough people are pissed off about the OS being stored on a partition of the HD and not getting a back up disk with the info. (Kinda hard to install an OS when the OS is on the drive that FAILED!!!!)
It asks me to sign a statement swaring that I am the ORIGINAL owner of the PC. Well I am not..... by that I mean this.. It was sent to me DIRECTLY from HP as a new Computer, however, it did belong to someone before me as I discovered when the CDROM failed. So what do I do??? Do I say I am the original owner? I cannot, I have to call the law firm that is handling the case and be advised. I will not purger myself for a free copy of an OS that should have been given with the PC! HP is EVIL!! |
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If a friend works for a software company, you can get their developer OS disks and not have to pay for the OS... My dad works at a software company, and he gets the latest stuff of anything dealing with software. Free developer studio, free microsoft office, free operating systems... And sometimes free computers!
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However Windows is still better than the competiton, no-one has produced anything better for my gaming needs. Yes Bill has done everything in his power to stifle and stop any competition, but that's the world. If he'd done it fairly I wouldn't mind. What I dislike is breaking the law to do so and then not getting punished for it. |
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95% of computers? Are you out of your mind? |
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I'm all with Thermodyne on this topic. Can't recall where the comment came from but it was said years ago that Computer are NOT ready for the general public to use, but without the general public using them, they never will be. I see this time period as the same as when you had to crank your phone to get an operator, then tell them who you wanted to call, they 'rang' the exchange with a certain coded ring (2 short, 1 long for instance) and everyone's phone would ring. Then you had to hope that the correct person you were calling picks up their phone and not their neighbor.
It's all growing pains. IMO, it will be a while yet before we've got the idiot proof computer but it took 25-30 years to get the idiot proof phone. |
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Phones can be ruined my idiots? That, I have to see for myself.
Why would I only play se4? Sure, it runs on other systems with emulators... But is that all to life? Wine would have a fit if it tried running Battlefield 2, much less all these other games I have. Star Wars Galaxies, Planetside, some other games I'm sure... Windows is simply the best OS for the job of playing games. |
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All new in Vista.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09/13/gates_vista/ So we have RSS, better searching and flipping windows. And who knows how much slower. Oh and they'll be porting bits of it to XP anyway. If your getting a new machine with an OS installed it might as well be the newest one (if you can't get a bare bones machine) but I'm not seeing any compelling reason to change. Of course I thought that about XP until multiple programmes would only run properly, or at all, under it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif |
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Meh, linux? Not good if you're a windows user, like me...
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I think there was a few anti-trust lawsuits or something.
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