What\'s your favourite heroic ability?
 

I tend to play SC strategies a lot, so I really like to make use of heroic abilities. I reckon there are three distinct classes of heroic ability - here are my thoughts (sorry if this has been done before but I can't find it):

Premier League
1. Quickness - the ultimate, because it stacks with the boots, the jade armour or the spell
2. Toughness - turns any hero from a 10hp weakling to an SC tougher than a dragon, because it's not proportional to starting hp er, except maybe it is, come to think of it
3. Awesome Presence - scales up incredibly quickly and by the time it reaches +10 or more hardly anything can hit you
4. Strength - like toughness, it's not based on original strength so any unit can become a killer without needing AP weapons (so you can still use a lifedrain weapon)

First Division
5. Tough Skin - more prot is always good but it scales up very slowly and doesn't stack arithmetically with armour
6. Iron Will - more MR is always good, especially late game
7. Lightning Reflexes - also scales up really slowly, and defence is not as good as prot for an SC because they get surrounded
8. Battle Prowess - more att is always good
9. Battle Bellow - Fear is good, but not nearly as good as Awe
10. Endurance - although many SCs have 0 enc this is still really good for recovering fatigue after buffs etc., but not really important if you have lifedrain weapons

Vauxhall Conference
11. Valour - scales up nicely but most SCs have high leadership anyway, and don't usually lead armies
12. Undead General - like Valour but without the standard and, er, only useful for undead
13. Precision - occasionally handy on priests when fighting Ermor but otherwise useless
14. Research - how many researchers do you get in the HoF? Handy only if you get it on a mage early on and retire that commander.

Hmmm, I'm sure there are something like 19 heroic abilities, so I've forgotten loads of them. Remind me and I will edit my league.

So, now tell me why you disagree!

CC

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the worst is getting undead general on a unit which can't lead troops...

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I excpecially lige Strengh, because this skill reaches REALLY epic dimensions(Wraith lord with strenght 50 - Jaaaaaaa!)

Re: What\'s your favourite heroic ability?
 

I like extra HPs, magic resistance, or defence on my assassins/succubi

quickness is by far my favorite over all, but i never get it on a unit who can make it worthwhile

Re: What\'s your favourite heroic ability?
 

Hmm, tossup between Heroic Toughness (I currently have that on a Tomb Priest who had 40 HP to begin with! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif) and Battle Bellow (I once had that get up to +15 fear - on Angelique d'Armant! Kinda comical actually! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif)

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I always somehow wind up with battle prowess on my artillery mages and super-good researcher on my fightin' dudes. I did once get awesome presence on an air queen, and it was... awesome. Nobody with a morale less than 14 or so could even think of hitting her, and it was early enough in the game that this was still a big deal.

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I don't find strength to be that great (although it is better with some of the lifedrain nerf mods). On spellcasters, reinvigoration and precision can be very helpful. Otherwise I mostly agree with the ordering of your list.

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Pretty sure, it's a +percentage of starting hp bonus.

Re: What\'s your favourite heroic ability?
 

Toughness and awe, hands down. Awe takes a long time to scale up, but the hit points ramp up very quickly. The opening post is also wrong about that ability. Heroic Toughness does scale up based on initial hitpoints, much the same as quickness. I once had an Arco Mystic with toughness and he was even with 25 or 27 hit points quite the wimp combat wise. Then he got killed and Rebirthed him. The resultant mummy has base hit points of 35, and my formerly glass-jawed mystic suddenly had 100+ hit points plus the undead immunities and all his magic. A couple of turns forging later, I had a fully equipped SC that took on whole armies by himself...

Awe is my second favorite, they just can't touch him and when you also put a horror helmet on one of these guys, they really ruin the enemy's day...

Edi

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does the shield of gleaming golds awe stack with awesom presence? if so with helmet he is mega untouchable

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Hmmm... I'd have to say Awe, then Quickness, then Toughness. Though I enjoy when I get Precision on a mage or Priest, that's a better bang for my buck (over quickness or toughness), at least for me.

Re: What\'s your favourite heroic ability?
 

Ooops. I think maybe I've become to used to SCs that I forgot that 10hp weaklings with heroic toughness turn into ... 27hp weaklings. So I think Awe might well be vying for 2nd place in my list.

There's still a few missing though.

CC

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I have an immortal Lu Tung-Pin right now who has Heroic Quickness. I think it is +110% or so. That, combined with a few other related power-ups means that he can spew out 3 or 4 spells per combat turn. This is in a 2 vs 2 game with me and my brother vs. Panther and Tauren.

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Shovah, it does stack but pretty trivially. Getting Awe +0 is a big deal (it means a dude with a morale of 10 has about a 50/50 chance of being able to attack you; each point of Awe above that raises the 50/50 morale by one). I think the shield gives you +1 or +0 or something... Stacked with heroic awe, it adds a very small amount. You'd be better off with a different shield...

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One of my favorite Heroic Abilities is Heroic Endurance on a spellcaster.

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Heroic Toughness also has a cute interesting point... if your Prophet gets it, it turns into majorly upgraded hp... I had a Niefel Jarl Prophet who got it once, and I think he had 300-400+ hp in high Dominion provinces. I might be a bit off, but I don't think so... it's been a while... I seem to think it might have been over 500 once, but I'd have to do the math to figure how high Toughness had to go for that.

Wyatt

Re: What\'s your favourite heroic ability?
 

Yes, Toughness on a prophet is even better than Quickness. It means your prophet can fight in -10 dom with impunity.

CC

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It's especially rather nice on a water queen. Once she gets up to 120 or so hp, she's virtually unkillable by any normal means.

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You should see a treelord prophet with heroic HP, and gift of health. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: What\'s your favourite heroic ability?
 

In what kind of twisted situation does one prophetize a Treelord, of all things!?

Re: What\'s your favourite heroic ability?
 

Well, they are not so bad in the CB mod. In fact, it was actually a result of that particular game that they got nerfed back down a bit... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif