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Any idea when WINSPww2 will be released? (Even a ballpark ETA would be good). Looking forward to brewing up some T-34s with my company of Tigers.

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It'll be released when it's finished http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

Original release schedule they gave us at the beginning of
the year was for WinWW2 to be released around Novemberish,
but that was before the Mega v 2.0 patch for WinMBT; so
I would guess that we won't see WinWW2 anytime before the
winter of 2006.

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Oh well looks like we will have to wate

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"Soon" as always;)?

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Regrettably, the Tiger tank killed your Canadian and English (and my American and Polish)ancestors. The wonderous Firefly may bring the satistfaction you seek, in pillaging the lands from the butchers of your past armies. But, if you would like to learn more of the strong Tiger tank, this website has much to offer:

http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/tigers.htm



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Work on WW2 will start AFTER the fix patch for MBT, as I intend to use the MBT code as a common starting base.

Most likely, it'l take 3-4 months to get done once it actually starts.

Me wants WinSPWW2 as well - the tank and other stuff development there is much more interesting than post-war (hanging on for the grants, while making do with valentines and cruisers, if the UK in the desert for example, then waiting for 6pdr ATG tanks, I do rather like the 6pdr churchills http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif! )

Cheers
Andy

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I have a suggestion. That would be nice if SPCAMO starts WinSPWW2 forum before game relase just after game works starts.

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With WinSPMBT as the common base does that mean that maps will be interchangable between the 2 games? I hope so.

I have a large project in mind and would rather not wait until WinSPWW2 actually comes out to get started on it. I have at least 47 maps that will need to be made with each of them needing a corresponding mirror image (maybe 3 mirror images for each for the 4 cardinal directions) so they can be rotated around and butted together like individual boardgame mapboards (like ASL mapboards). http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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The maps will be fully interchangeable between the two games. That was always a priority

Don

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Btw, be sure that British vs Italy 1943 (June and forward) battle locations (maps) will be in right terrain (not always in desert as in SPWAW seems to be)... It's bit strange that Matrix never fixed that.

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Don't worry. They don't give you desert.

Don

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Sorry, I'm a newbie here so I hope you don't mind what may appear to be a daft question.

I've been a long term fan of the SP series and have finally convinced the boss at home to buy a PC to run WinSPMBT on (We use Macs for everything else). I also have a copy of "Steel Panthers World at War" (hopefully its allowed to be mentioned) from another firm.

Is this WinSPWW2 the result of some sort of take over or is it a totally independent product (but still based on the common SP ancestry)?

Regards,

Mark

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WinSPMBT is the windows version of the DOS SPMBT game which in turn is based on the DOS SPWW2 game. If I'm not mistaken both derive their ancestry from the SP2 game while the WaW series are derived from the SP3 game.
The groups who have been developing the different sets of games (SP2 based or SP3 based) have different views on some elements of the game. The end result is that it allows for a wide selection of SP games to choose from.

Narwan

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Narwan,

Thanks.

So would it be fair to say that WinSPWW2 is effectively SP1 (since SP2 is not WW2 orientated) "upgraded" to the same standard (i.e. Win compatible).

Whilst "Steel Panthers World at War" is effectively SP3 "upgraded" to the Win compatible standard?

Just trying to work out if the upcoming WinSPWW2 will effectively replace my current copy of "Steel Panthers World at War" or whether I should retain both.

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You should retain both and play both and decide for yourself which you like most.

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gibsonm
Welcome to the dark side, hehehe. Do your Mac friends know?
Can you now buy all the new games that are PC only?
I have played SP1, SPWW2, SPMBT, SPWAW and now WSPMBT.
Enjoy them all. Vs AI or vs a human they all have pluses and minuses. Don't use CM tactics in SP and vice versa.

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I have a swag of PC games already (used to use Virtual PC) such as Panzer Commander, Panzer Elite, SP1, 2 and 3, ATF, BCT, M1 Tank Platoon 2, Steel Beasts, Star and the Crescent as well as WinSPMBT and the SPWAW.

Virtual PC was too slow and the non support of graphics cards meant newer games would just crash.

Anyway the XP box just sits in the corner and only has games on it. Doesn't get email so it should stay relatively virus / malware free.

Also I can put CMSF on it and get a heads up while waiting for the Mac version to turn up.

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After relase of path for WinSPMBT what are the plans in WinSPWW2 thema my sugestion is runing the forum for this nonexisting game now before game relase here on sharpnel if this is posible that should help in the collect of materials and infos for this game. What do you thinking about this proposition

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Great idea! However it will probably increase the amount of time to get it finished.

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Here is my proposal for WinSPWW2...

Would it be possible to add another country? Then I'd like to see Slovakia as independent, 03/1939 to 04/1945, so that I won't have to stuff it in the Blue OOB.
Slovakia participated in some furious battles in hte East, not mentioning the uprising in 1944, and int he same time Czechoslovakian exile troops were active in the UK and USSR. The way it was in SPWW2, there was 03/1939 to IIRC 10/1943 Slovakia and just after that the OOB represented exile forces, and even then only in the USSR.

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I'll give this some thought. We have already added three "new" nations by splitting them from the main OOB. WinSPWW2 will have Chinese Communists as we as Nationalist China. France will become "Free France" in July 1940 and a new "Vichy France" OOB will appear at the same time. As well, Mussolinis RSI will appear in October 1943 and last until the end of April 1945 so yes, a 04/1939 to 10/1943 Slovakia fits in there as well .

Don

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Nice! It will allow as to make 1944 SNP uprising with all ssides involved. thanks

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Sounds great so far. I'm hoping we'll have some more of the same WinSPMBT eye candy like grounded planes, etc. RR trains would be nice http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

I know it's been discussed, but I'd like to see walls added. Hedgerows perform the same function but walls would add a lot of realism to WW2 type scenarios.

Thanks guys,

Beeg

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Separate vichy french? Now that I like. A lot. Like really really a lot. Thanks!

Narwan

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One little problem. The info I have was by the end of 1943 there really weren't any Slovakian field troops. The units had been decimated and reduced to construction formations. That is why the "SL" formations in the current SPww2 "Czech" OOB only exist until 10/43. Now.. if I let the Slovak Republic OOB run from 4/39 - 10/43 you would still be able to build scenarios using troops that use those ID tags in 1944 simply by changing the dates back prior to 10/43, buying them as allied then changing the dates forward again. The ( little ) I know about the Slovak Republic in WW2 was that the Germans had taken over by the time of the 1944 uprising so you would have German troops, Partisans from the Czech OOB and if need by some units using Slovak ID tags if need be using the technique I mentioned.

Don

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It made more sense to create an axis Vichy France that would disapear than set up the French OOB as "1940" France then Vichy France then post war france and have a sparate "free" French". This way WinSPww2 will have the "allied" French in one oob and the axis in another. In July 1940 the flag for France will automatically change to include the Cross of Lorraine then after 1944 change back to the standard flag. "Vichy France" will be represented with the standard French flag during it's existance but of course, the Free French will be tagged with the COL version so there won't be any confusion

Don

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Original plan for 1944SNP uprising counted with Slovak Infantry division from eastern parts of Slovakia (Kosice,Presov) but those soldiers were disbanded with goverment as they find out that there is something suspicious. Whole uprising was as classical fight rather than guerilla fights.They had even small number of LT-38 tanks and small number of Marders.After the german SS troops occupied Banska Bystrica, many soldiers withdrawed to mountains, where they joined with Partisans. To make good scen or campaign about it we need at least Slovak troops,Partisans, and Hlinka Guards (they fought against uprising with german SS div.)

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I've tried to set-up battles (for PBEM) between the US and French in SPWW2 to simulate the US Torch landings but it always reverted to a battle in mainland france, not the colonies. I assume/hope in WinSPWW2 there will the option to choose the specific location (like Morocco, Algeria, west-africa, syria, madagascar, New caledonia, french indochina, to name a few locations I hope will be present) for generated battles with the vichy french?

Narwan

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OK then what would you suggest as an ending date for the Slovak republic?

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Vichy France will have it's own AI picklist and battle locations but they will be tied to date and opponent as is done now.

Don

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Which makes sense but some of these locations are interesting what if scenario's (what if New Caledonia didn't become free french or Indochina did (and was subsequently invaded)? What if the free french did invade some of the Vichy territories in west africa? etc) or interesting in a different time frame. What if Torch never happened and the allies landed in France in '43 (or even '44) with an intact Vichy france?
Will the options for battle locations be limited to purely historical campaigns and battles or leave room for these what-ifs? All you'd really need is a list of Vichy territories (and could have been Vichy territories) to pick from during the entire duration of the existence of the Vichy OB, whether the territory was still part of Vichy france or not. You'd get those options via the terrain editor screen during start-up of a battle if you pick Vichy france as a side. Assuming that's possible code wise.

Narwan

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That's what sceanrio designers do. If you want to "what-if" design a scenario. Think about what you asked for a minite "What if Torch never happened and the allies landed in France in '43" ...... really?... Just HOW do I design battle locations for that and not generated a hundred emails from people telling me to read a history book ??

I'll tell you what...I'll provide the game and the Icons and the OOB's and you can build scenarios for what-if's like that. If you choose Japan vs Vichy you will be given something reasonably appropriate for the time period and if we can we will provide something totally appropriate. If you want to "what - if " something like Hungary vs Vichy France you'll be given a general map .

Don

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you guys already give us the option to do just what narwan says? Before a campaign battle, can generate a new map with current location, with new (correct for matchup) location, or manualy enter a location "code". Couldn't you just enter a code in for the regiou you want to "what if"? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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That's what I was thinking of. Have codes in there to reflect the terrains of the different Vichy (and free french) territories (and a list somewhere to show you which is which). All you do is type the code of the location you want and voila, the right terrain. Doesn't seem to hard to me.
The 'create a scenario' solution isn't really a solution at all. There's little point in playing a PBEM game with a scenario I just created myself (including buying both forces and deploying them) now is there? Sort of takes the thrill and mystery out of it.
I play almost exclusively PBEM (beating the AI is far too easy for me) and for WW2 I like to play either 'historical' set-ups or realistic what-ifs. Vichy france allows for a lot of realistic what-ifs.

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All true. This is actually something I had considered for the future anyway. We were too busy with other things when I first considered it and who knows... if might make it into the next version, or not, depending on what else we have to do HOWEVER. It is dead simple to create a map now and it's dead simple to load it at the start of the game. You want to "what-if-Vichy-vs-GB in Morroco in 1942"?? ALL you have to do now is either select a pre-existing desert map or spend about 2 minutes loading up two nations that actually fought in the desert and generate some maps until you find one that appeals to you then save it and start your Vichy game and load that map. That still means you can have your game with all the "thrill and mystery" you want. The tools are there now to do what you want. I understand wanting more tools and easier tools but the game can give you what you are looking for if you take a couple of extra steps

Don

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That would be true if the battles in north africa against the vichy french were really 'desert' battles. Which they mostly were not. There is a huge difference between the western desert and French north africa, particularly the area's of actual fighting (lot's of it in urbanised and rough and/or wooded area's). You know what one of the main reasons for the delayed advance into Tunisia was after the landings in Algeria? Mud. Hard to get that when you put GB vs GE in the map generator in end '42.

I've tried those extra steps and all they do is give you a map that is less unrealistic than mainland france but still short of suitable. Now off course I could go and make my own map but I don't like making maps, mostly because I'm not good at it, and even if I were to, I don't like playing on a map I know intimately. Again, takes an important part of fun out of it.

I understand that the Vichy OB will likely be limited to the actual historical dates of the existence of Vichy France, so no 'what-ifs' outside that (short of designing them specifically). But I'm still having a hard time seeing the problem about having the option to type '36' and get a map for new Caledonia, or '29' and get Syria, etc, when you've selected Vichy France as one of the combatants. Not having the ability to get suitable maps readily, like for other nations, for the different parts of Vichy France seems to me to undermine at least part of having the OB at all...

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This IS going to drag on and on isn't it?
The controls are there in the map generator that will buid a map suitable to your needs all you need to do is learn how to use it. That takes paractice but once it's learned you can generate a map that is suitable in a few minutes and does not have to be "a map I know intimately."
I'm just starting to regret mentioning this....

Don

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Gentlemen

I need to know if anyone knows of a website that has a good, readable streat map of Warsaw circa August 1 1944.

EDITED

I'm looking for something better than the one found at
http://www.gideon1.net/uprising/waw1944.jpg

Don

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Try these, in combination:

Warsaw 1938:

http://www.biega.com/blwwa38.html

Warsaw Ghetto

http://www.biega.com/ghettoma.jpg

And:

http://www.princeton.edu/~poland/uprising/Aug5.jpg

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Excellent start. Thank you.

Don

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Any possibility to add Philippines and Thailand into WinSPWW2? And how about Croatia?

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I sugest this forgoten cauntrys

- Lituania ( from 1930 to june 1940 this cauntry has his own land army airforces after this date cauntry should disapear but was antisoviet partisants. After germans invasion they were equiped by germans for fight with polish partisants they were a help units for germans and after bagration operation to 1949 should be like before antisoviets partisans.

- Latvia (1930 to june 1940 should be too a nice OOB. After disapear of this cauntry should be antisoviet partisants and after german invasion latvian fight in his own SS units for independent of his cauntry my grandfather remember this soliders in his vilage near Bydgoszcz when they retrat on west in january 1945 after rusian reocupation should be once more antisoviet partisans

- Estonia (1930 to june 1940) the same history after rusian ocupations were a partisans then fight together with germans in SS units for his cauntry indenpendent to the circa 1955 rusians fights with Esti partisans

- Ukraine (proposition june 1941- may 1945 was only indenpendent in short time 1917-1918 and was occupy by sovits. But after german invasion in 1941 was create a ukrainian goverment and SS Galizien division equiped by germans. They fight on the eastern front than against polish partisants and surrender to americans in Austria in may 1945 moust soliders were send by western alies to russia for ded's camps as a gift for Rusians. Because Stalin said "I moust have all this traitors". And don't forgot about "UPA" (Ukrajinska Powstancza Armija) this partisans forces was created in in end of 1942 (don't repudiate german ally Ukrainian goverment) fights with germans polish underground AK and rusians. They fight for the indenpendend Ukraine to the circa 1958. After WWII they fight in Poland , Czechoslovakia and USSR.

- Mongolia (1930 to 1949) they were secound comunists cauntry on the world in 1924 after soviet invasion. They were firsts soviet ally. Army equiped by rusians fight on Chasan lake and in all another fights with Japanse on the Far East. Was used too with rusians army in the invasion on Japanse China in 1945

- Manchukuo inner Manchuria (1931 to august 1945) Japanse ally has his own land and air forces eqiped by Japanse. Should be a third chinse OOB

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I sugest some changes in german and rusian OOB:

- rusian OOB
Forgoten NKVD units that was a infantery divisions with light tanks like T-37 and armoured cars. They were a elite in elite.
They fight many years before war for example NKVD infantery divisions and Tank units crush antisoviet upspring on Kharakorum desert in 1931. Than during war were in secound line near front line units when they retrat NKVD stops the retrating they kiling the retrating soliders or all units.
Forgoten rusian Vlasov army units I sugest a transfer from german OOB to rusian with trigger as human buy only

- german OOB
Adolf Hitler take the regin in march 1933 so before was a waimar republic with flag like today. Next thing in german OOB are rusians East units and formations but I think they should be in rusian OOB because that was a rusian units for fights with comunism so they were ally for germans.

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Best source in internet about Warsaw upspring unfortunly in polish but please see maps and fotos
http://www.whatfor.prv.pl/

The Warsaw Rising Museum
http://www.1944.pl/index.php?lang=en&lang_time=1

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Thailand has existed in SPww2 for years!

Don

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Re the Baltic states... yes it would be intereresting but No. Maybe some other time but not now.

Mongolia I'll think about

Manchukuo was entered into the game last week. The list of new nations is listed here

Slovak Republic
Manchukuo
Italian Socialist Republic
Vichy France
Chinese Communists

That list *will* stay this way and not grow until we get ALL the other details of the game conversion sorted out ( and there are many ) and these five OOB's are completed. When that is all done and IF we both still have a sense of humour left I may.... ***MAY*** consider some of these other suggestions.

Don

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Yes I knew it Don;). But I just wanted to know that at least Thailand will be there (Philippines and Croatia could be nice to see there too) ok?

Warhero

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Will you still have some "blank" OOBs so that indoustrous person can make some of the OOBs you don't make?

Halstein.

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If you knew it was in the game already and had been for quite some time, why ask if it would be included?

Don

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Will you still have some "blank" OOBs so that indoustrous person can make some of the OOBs you don't make?

Halstein.

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Yes. Three spares will be included

Don