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i know there are some threads on this elsewhere but i would really like to get a list of scs, equipment, spells, and strategies. i think it would be very helpful for people (me included) and also good for coming up to alternate SCs never before seen.

i'll start:
invunrable abomination
extremely simple, all you need is an abomination with a ring of regen and then either a magic resistance item or a reinvigorating item.

since all those life drain tentacles and its massive regen will keep it alive for ages its pretty good to guard pretenders aswell and since it dosnt have that many items is not too expensive
(gift of reasons the most expensive thing unless you want to empower him)

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This is a SuperCombatant:

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/3752/aella6ns.png

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but i was trying to keep the cost down http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif+ that has loads of exp + a heroic.

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the heroic comes on its own after a while, when your hero is equiped like that.

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What helmet is that, I don't recognize it.

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it is amon hotep i think but im not sure, and i know about the heroic but just saying it makes it stronger and more impressive :p

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heh, one of my SC faves - Amon Hotep: 30 prot, awe, +5 MR

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i did a nataraja with amon hotep, blood thorn, hell sword, ring of regen, krupps bracers, and some armour + shield of gleaming gold/accursed shield.
i also did one with staff of kurgi, the twin spear with the horror calling, gift of kurgi, and horror harmonica. he wasnt that effective but it was fun (was in sp and i wished for horrors and stuff as his bodyguards vrs horrors attacking him)

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Im not sure if this is what you were looking for, but the classic thug SC is just a bane. So:

Wraith Sword (or whatever lifedrainer is easiest for you)
Boots of Flying
Amulet of Luck (or some other luck item)

Send it out like that or tailor it to suit your needs.

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i know but im looking for things that are more unique

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also feel free to have anti SC strategies here

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Turin,
Your SC is quite impressive, kudos ! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Usually any SC has a weakness, but here I can't see much to do against her ...
Total equipment cost is somewhat like 200 gems yet, plus 100 gems for air and water empowerement, with 2 artifacts...

But how in hell does an AQ ends up with 270 hp ?? Just life drain effects (looks like you've made a combat screen, as she has some fatigue) Increased hp from heroic ability ??

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Yeah, the picture is impressive, but which properties are native and which were borrowed from friendly mages on the battlefield? Fire protection? Luck? Etherealness? Stat-boosts?

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She got that much hp from heroic ability and gift of health. No lifedraining yet http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif. Yeah it�s a combat screen. Actually the total cost is only 145 gems in equipment + 50 gems for water 1 + 50 gems for the original casting.

The screen is after casting quickness, summon storm power, mirror image, mistform and air shield.
And other guys had cast army of lead and will of the fates I think.Maybe some strength boosting spell.

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Etherealness comes from base on the air queens, but i have found one weakness: bad research *duck*
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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Yeah, she got the wrong heroic ability... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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How does the fatigue hold up on that one Turin ?

I lost a decent SC to fatigue despite having a Blood Thorn in a battle not long ago. A shaman I was assasinating simply spam summoned dragonflies and they just wore me out till I went unconcious.

Spiro

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Since she doesn�t get tired from fighting, she shouldn�t get any additional fatigue. So I guess she would be fine.

Actually I didn�t use her alone at all in the game the picture is from (god is a bullet), so I don�t know how well she would perform.

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Yet another SC:

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Can't read the file ... is it really a Word doc file ??

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Yep. I don't know how to post a pic like the one above.

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Huh, you mean you put a pic in a Word file and posted it ?
Still my Word (2002 version, under WinXP) can't open it...Maybe you put a link to the pic in the doc file, this can't work if you post the doc file on the net.

To post a jpg pic you'll have to paste your screenshot in any jpg capable software and save it as jpg. If you don't have one you can use Paintbrush (comes along with all Windows versions), and save as bmp (file will be much bigger though)

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An easy way to convert bmp pics to jpg is to use irfanview (a free graphic viewer) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif .

Gimp is a more sophisticated - and not very intuitive - image manipulation free software.

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I simply uploaded mine on imageshack. They give you several links that work with forums. Try to save it in a format which isn�t bigger than a couple hundred kb though.

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Since none of us can open it, could you perhaps just tell us about this SC?

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Another attempt.

Have him cast invulnerability, mistform, mirror image, personal luck, fire shield, and he's ready to party.

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i still prefer my mega golem who got 71 strength in total due to heroic (and he had a blood thorn+ accursed shield+ amon hotep+ jade armour+ ring of warrior+ krupps bracers

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And when someone else [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Hammer.gif[/img]builds the [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Target.gif[/img]lamp[img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Target.gif[/img], do all his artifacts just fall to the floor? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

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lol, good point

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Nah, my genie could kick his *** no problem. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif He killed a fully equipped ghost king who cast invulnerability, soul vortex, etc. It was child's play.

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but i used my golem with 3 other golems+ a genie :p (golems had blood thorn+ gold shield/accursed shield+ cant remember what helm+ jade armour+ flying boots+ ring of warrior and a defence increasing misc

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try ths: mandragora ettin with soulstone of wolves, amon hotep, sun helmet, summit, blood thorn, accursed shield, flying shoes and fenrirs pelt, he has 30 prot and 25+ magic resistance, he has 3 sleep vines + sumit attack and a life drain attack, he has huge strength decent attack and defence and gets a huge amount of wolves in battle

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I always liked the fenris' pelt, soulstone, lifelong protection, wraith helm, any boots, twin spear (death), and candle shield. (did I already mention this?)

on an assassin, he rarely gets the kill, but the army he brings will take down all but the toughest enemies.

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sounds good, and ive remade my ettin after he got paralized and wiped out

all rounder:
blood thorn
any decent weapon/shield (the twin death spear is good)
accursed shield
sun helmet
amon hotep
fenris' pelt
winged shoes
soulstone of the wolve
he has 3 sleep vines, usually 2 attacks, can fly, gets a huge number of wolves, has around +5 awe and a huge magic resistance

horde:
blood thorn
accursed shield
insert shieldname here
amon hotep
sun helmet
fenris' pelt
insert boot name here
soulstone of the wolves

idea was making him as survivable as possible,
another cheaper but less potent option is an abomination with amulet of regeneration and soulstone, hes quite cheap and takes alot of punishment (and then theres gift of health...)

also i had a nataraja sometime but cant remember his equipment atm. all i remember is that he took out a huge number (i think it said he had around 2500 kills in the HoF) phantasmal wolves/warriors before going down which i was happy with since he didnt cost too much to kit out (i dont even think he had soulstone but i may be wrong) and this was way before i understood alot about the game/magic items

edit: my if you can give my originally posted ettin a defence boost then give him blood thorn and hell sword and he will chew through practically everything,

27 magic reisistance+ 5 awe+ 2 lifedrains+ 3 sleep vines means the only thing that gives him problems will probably be things you can lifedrain from (you cant drain from undeads and construcks right? i may be wrong)

since normal troops succumb to the awe and life drain whereas other SCs are taken out mainly by sleep vines and fianly the high magic resistance makes him near immune to magic.

i justed testeed this vrs 5 astrologers casting paralize + 125 PD and 30 elephants on his own nothing worked on him (i fear the undead test i will do next)

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I recently wished an ettin mandragora as c'tis with amon hotep, wraith crown, pendant of luck, sun slayer, summit, boots of quickness, bone armor. Got Strength as heroic.

18 sleep vine attacks, 2 40+ damage summits, 2 sun slayer. 30 prot, ethereal, lucky.

It died to ONE stupid SEA DWELLING FUNGUS!
my R'yleh opponent decided that casting nether darts at point blank range with an astal 14 mage was a good idea. His void lurker did more than 300 damage with one spell. That hurt.

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Gifts from heaven does 150 damge right.

That could have worked too then...

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And people call the AI stupid! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Gifts from Heaven is great if it hits, but it doesn't hit very reliably... And it is hard to slow down an enemy with your own troops when the missing rocks hit them! A horde could do that, but the Mandragora Ettin had enough attacks to decimate anything he got his hands on. IIRC he is limited to targetting one square of the grid per action, so twice/round with quickness, against at most 2x6 and usually 2x3 units, though. Nether Darts is evil. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

OT rambling:
I can symphatize with your loss. I play roguelikes. In them, you encounter numerous deaths, and the few characters that get far enough, and become powerful, will always die a death like this. My best ADOM character was sure winner, could melee through everything (Executor! Purifier! Emerald Dagger! Protector! etc), cast his way through everything (Preserver + Sword of Nonnak + certain herb => Acid Ball with enormous range!), and was untouchable (Moloch Armor (comparable to Monolith Armor) AND untouchable Dex of 25 EVEN when wearing it!) And, dare I say it, Ring of the Master Cat! Then he died to a darn Battle Bunny. [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Cold.gif[/img] http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/fear.gif They breed fast, and as the monsters are stronger after you kill many of them... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif I completed the game much later, once, but that character was nowhere as powerful... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

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Battle Bunny??

ya... i know about gifts from heaven. I think it is useless, although it is 0 gems. Maybe with a legion of astral random dwarven smiths or maybe not.)

What is the bonus per extra level of astral on nether darts?
(another 0 gem spell)

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No, it has it's uses, you just need good precision. Wind Guide, Eyes of Aiming, Eagle Eyes, and Aim are all good ways to boost precision. And of course simply having air magic/natural precision, or best of all, heroic precision.

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you actually got an ettin mondragora from wish? it always tells me it can't give me that...

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Anemones aren't fungi, they're animals, like you, me, and the entire cast of Wings.

No mondragoras. Only mandragoras. Mandragoras and blood slaves.

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Know what's even better? A target-rich environment. Aww, yeah.

Seriously, against a medium-sized contingent of relatively powerful troops, these things can be much more effective than Nether Darts. And they've got the raw firepower to seriously damage a Sphinx, which isn't all that small a target. Pity they lack that feebleminding side-effect.

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Hmm. I'm now considering a batch of dwarven-booted Arco mystics with cybereyes.

Splat! Splat! Splat!

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boltcutter, it can be a beautiful thing to see. Enemy's got a huge pile of ultra-buff white centaurs? Not any more... What, an army of devils? Throw up a storm, and squish.
I haven't tried it, but I imagine it should even make short work of pack of Tartarians.

Actually, my entry into the SC tournament a while back was an air queen decked out to repeatedly drop gifts on her enemies. She was doing well, until an unlucky round-1 MR roll left her on the wrong team. So, it should even work on the really big guys.

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the problem of course is making sure the gifts hit, and, even more difficult, making sure they hit something valuable. Given the low accuracy, and not really that great an area of affect, I've seen gifts from heaven do nothing of consequence more often than not. Other spells are more... dependable.

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Nothing the right sort of commander can't get around. Precision -3 really isn't all that problematic at point-blank range, and it's nothing a single turn of casting and a smidgen of air or nature won't remedy.
Also, consider the above "army of devils" scenario. They'll hit something. The gifts may only have an area of 1 each, but anything in those areas is dead, dead, dead. Unless it's mirrored, lucky, or has a Tarrasqueload of HP.

I'm not saying the spell is particularly cost-effective against mid-level hordes, unless your caster has two or three extra earth levels. But I am saying that, given the proper circumstances, it can be a lot more reliable than more accurate Evocation spells.

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Fungus, Anemone, Whatever.
and yes, you can wish for an ettin mandragora, although I wouldn't except maybe in SP.

Uhh... point blank gifts would be good, but sort of pointless. Blade wind would work at that range too.

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point blank Gifts, LOL - this some suicide gambit?

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man i was mispelling mandragora this hwole time.

so I havce this SC ettin mandragora kickin ***, basically totalled the largest army nearly single handedly... (I decided to seige a capitol and just fight the attacking forces) he had 675 kills.

hes decked out for AoE killin'. ember, that poison sck on a stick, the twin spear (death,) amon hotep, sun helm, robes of callius, boots of quickness and an amulet of antimagic...

what should kill him? he gets hit by "maggots" and dissapears at the end of combat.

I guess theres a big downfall to making an SC of an undead.

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I keep hearing about these Mandragora ettins. But how do you get them normally? Is it a very lucky Pangaea CW free summon?