Is Any One Still Playing The STM?
 

Just doing a quick check to see if any one is still playing the Star Trek Mod.

If you are any thoughts or comments about it would be helpful. As Deluxe release nears I would like to address any and all problems that I can before releasing what I hope to be the last patch for the mod.

Its about time that I start thinking about mods for SEV and I would really love to put the STM to bed for SEIV.

So any comments are welcome.

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I have the STM mod, but I'm wrapping up my first ever game with the AI first before I start the STM mod. I expect to be done with my first SEIV game by the end of this month, but by that time Deluxe may already be out, in which case I will still try STM assuming no compatibility issues, but most likely I will be gladly testing STM as a beta tester if you need to make changes for Deluxe http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

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I doubt there will be any compatibility issues. In worst case it might be extra options and things that modders have been asking for along with some minor fixes. But the general feeling about deluxe is that nothing will change except that SEIV will be available in more languages.

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awesome. well, in any event, i'll be playing STM for the first time sometime in the next two weeks. I'll let you know if I find any issues.

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My friends an I are going to set up a STM game in the next month or so. Our current game is almost done. At that time I will seek a single download file that I can direct everyone too. Should be about 10 players.

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well, I'm jonesing for the QConflict turns on PBW...does that count?

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Alarik

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I was going to mention Qconflict, but seeing as Atrocities is the Romulans I assumed he knew of it.

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STM is imho the best thing about SEIV, I rarely play any other mod nowadays, so yes i'm still playing STM http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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Just start playing it again a couple of days ago...........
I think it's the best mod around (Proportions 2nd....)

Inti,

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I don't know what Deluxe will bring but I do hope some added modding features along with some long time over due bug fixes for SEIV.

The next version is can be beta tested if any one is interested. You will have to have v1.9.2.4 installed though. Look to the Official STM forum over at SE.net to get the beta of 1.9.2.6. (Read the instructions even though they are vage)

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you may know from my other topic about how I am trying a load of diffrent modss recently.

I honestly have to say that the star trek mod is still my all time favourite mod!

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Just a thought but wasnt a patch a long time ago supposed to be the FINAL patch to this great mod.

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There have been several. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

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We aim to please. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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There were final version of things that were implamented into the mod... There has not been a final mod version as of yet. Final usually meant that I want to have that version uploaded to PBW.

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Atrocities said:
We aim to please. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Oh great, now AT has multiple personality disorder...

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Or he may be royalty in disguise.

But, if he has MPD, one can sleep while the other works on shipsets.

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Old joke about a sign seen in a washroom: 'We aim to please. You aim too, please.'

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My husband and I are playing a STM game at the present. We really enjoy the MOD. I don't plan on ousting it off the old puter' - EVER!!!! I have only played two of the various races so far. It is very exciting learning what each race has that is unique to it's particular culture. I just thought of this - maybe, if possible, it would be cool to have a text document includeed that descibes the races, a brief history, etc, so those of us that don't have every Star trek episode ever made memorized can role play if we choose to.

On STM mod issues. There seems to be a little quark when I update a Shuttle design, It sometimes converts the armor to the armor that is used by troops. This doesn't always happen and it doesn't seem to have a pattern - you know something leading up to this situation occuring. (I am using all the latest patches). Shucks, or is it the other way around .... it may be that the troop armor turns into regular armor when updated. GOSH! My faulty memory!!!! Since there is no pattern to this behavior, I can't check it out to see. Hope you can figure it out. It isn't a big deal though. It usually comes up with the warning that you can only have one componet of this type and you just have to remove it and add the right component.

And .... maybe this is not a problem but the way the AI has been programed for the race UFP. They are not friendly at all and are always attacking me. I have been the Tholians and the Andorians. Is this a built in response to the races I have chosen?

I think that's it for my issues. I only say something because you ask and want to make the game better. I think it is wonderfully done. You sure put a lot of work into it. Again, thank you and all those that contributed to it's creation.

Fuzzie

PS: On a side note - for all those that have created MOD's and ship sets for SEIV - thank you so much from all of us untalented and lazy folks! :} You have truly made our gaming experience exceptionally enjoyable. I don't think I'll ever get bored.

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Hello,

Thanks for the bug reports.

The Armor issue is one that is a bug with SEIV itself.. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif If I had it to do all over again the shuttle system would be completely revamped. What happened was that there was not going to be any fighters in the game, only shuttles. But people wanted to have fighters so they had to be put back in. This is when the armor bug appeared. The game sometime, mainly with AI, will ignor restrictions and often do what it pleases when it damn well pleases to do it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

The friendly AI... that is a long standing bug with SEIV in general. The political system of the game is, well its non exsitant. I believe I have them set to the friendly setting, but being a human player the other AI will always turn on you.

I would love to see Aaron fix the political system of the game over most other bugs but I doubt that will ever happen.

Any ways I am glad that you like the mod, we aim to please. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif (Me, Myself, and I)

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by the way, to add to what I said before, as you gave the nice response "we aim to please"!

to tell you the truth, SEIV on its own is a really, really good game, I love it, but frankly, there are a few better games, and what I like is on shows like BSG, or especially shown on st:DS9, the epic space fights with hundreds of ships!

the default game can only have 200 ships max per team, and resources are horrible with the planets being small, I think the game is great, but this just limits it slightly, the star trek mod, I just think this adds so much to it, and with the STM, I think that it is one of the best games out there.

the only thing I would of liked to see to make it any better would have to be higher tech levels and multi tech requirements, I have to say, from the proportions mod, this is one thing I really like, for example you can raise tech in one area, then going any further requires another one... It just really adds some extra fun, but to tell you the truth, adding it now would probably be wrong after being so used to how it is.

anyway, all I can really say is keep it up, and I cant wait to see what you do for SEV, I cant wait to play star trek mod on that http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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That's a setting in game setup that can go as high as 20000. It's just the default value for it that's 200, and you can change that in settings.txt without affecting compatibility with anything.

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sorry, I didnt mean to sound stupid there, I know you can change it, but with planets storing less facilitys, you have to have fewer facilitys to get resources, and basically it is a slower game... usually, I was just trying to say how much I like STM due to the fact that everything works so well together!.... ahh, I wont go on much more! I just like it!

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Thanks for explaining these things to me.

Atrocities said:
"The friendly AI... that is a long standing bug with SEIV in general. The political system of the game is, well its non exsitant. I believe I have them set to the friendly setting, but being a human player the other AI will always turn on you.I would love to see Aaron fix the political system of the game over most other bugs but I doubt that will ever happen."


It is a very difficult thing to make an AI that can mimic human behavior on a rather simple scale - without all kinds of programming, computers, and advanced technology. The games AI is okay considering the platform it is performing on. There are so many "flexible" elements in SEIV, I am amazed at what the AI can do (this is coming from a person that does not play many games and does not know much about programming, so my comments may be uninformed ones). SEIV is not like chess where the AI has a finite number of moves it can make. I would hate to see the actual number that represents the value of possibilities for every possible move and descision that needs to be made while playing SEIV. I know it would be an outstanding number. I bet it is very very hard to come up with an AI to do this any justice.

Maybe someday it will be possible to do on a game that would still be affordable and played on a computer that the average person can obtain. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

The problem with multi-tech requirements is that they don't really work all that well in SEIV. There is no way to know that something is a multi-tech required technology until it appears....having researched the technology. This would be better if we had a tech tree that actually looked like a tech tree such as the one in Gal Civ but we do not. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

In the next version of the STM planets will have a higher popluation limit, more space for storage, and facilities.

Thanks for the comments guys. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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This is likely caused by overlapping family numbers. It is easily solvable by making sure no components that have different versions for different vehicle types have the same family numbers.

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I believe that I mentioned above that it is a bug with SEIV. This bug was reported before and the family numbers did not match when when I checked. I will doubl check again of course, but I am pretty sure its not an overlapping family number issue as it occures at irregular intervals and mostly with AI or Minister designed or upgraded designs.

Now small armor is used by both Fighters and troops. I think he is saying that the body armor used by infantry sometimes shows up on fighters. If that is the case then it is a bug with SEIV.

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The body armor and small armor do share the same family number but do not share the same vehicle type for which they can be placed upon. I will change the family number for body armor to be on the safe side. The fact that it can sometimes appear on fighters (shuttles) is an SEIV bug.

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It is a bug, but it is easily worked around by verifying all involved family numbers and ensuring that their is a legal option for that ability call for all available vehicle types.

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Atrocities said:
The body armor and small armor do share the same family number but do not share the same vehicle type for which they can be placed upon.

The AI has a tendency to ignore restrictions. This is a pretty general bug that modders must work around.

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Thanks, I pointed that out above too.