TDM least to greatest?
 

I'm going to be using TDM modpack and want to know what there is for aggressive and passive civilizations from greatest to least (In order).

Also has anyone heard of mokakah race? Are they aggressive?

Is there a race that will dominate everything (Kill kill kill )?

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The Rage

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We do not have a list.

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Hello, and welcome to the forum. Cheese?

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watch out for the Tessallate (spelling) they will kick but if you give them the chance. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Rage are nasty as well

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Yup, Tessellates are usually the toughest. They have wiped me out many times. United Flora are pretty strong, too.

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There is a list. Created by MB during AI deathmatch 3. Attached (if I do it right)

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and AI Deathmatch 2 because I'm too stupid to add more than 1 attachment on the previous post.

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Thank you for the info.

I am amazed that the XiChung Were last. They are "Mean sons of b....s".


Final 1 United Flora 32
Final 2 Tessellate 27
SemiFinal 3 Space Vikings 23
SemiFinal 4 Aquilaeian 15
Round 6 5 CueCappa 16
Round 6 6 Narn Regime 15
Round 5 7 Pyrochette 15
Round 5 8 Toron 13
Round 4 9 Fazrah 9
Round 4 10 EEE 7
Round 4 11 Khrel 7
Round 4 12 Orks 5
Round 3 13 Gron 6
Round 3 14 Rage 4
Round 3 15 Namovans 3
Round 3 15 Earth Alliance 3
Round 3 17 Sallega 2
Round 3 17 Piundon 2
Round 2 19 Klingon 2
Round 2 20 Teslik 1
Round 2 20 Drakol 1
Round 2 20 Azorani 1
Round 2 20 Praetorians 1
Round 2 20 Colonial 1
Round 1 25 Cylon 0
Round 1 25 Corrian 0
Round 1 25 Romulan 0
Round 1 25 Toltayan 0
Round 1 25 Ekhazan 0
Round 1 25 Shadows 0
Round 1 25 Sergetti 0
Round 1 25 XiChung 0

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Make the post with one attachment. Copy the Attachment link, then hit edit post. Paste that link in the text of the post. Add the second attachment, hit submit. Might want to add the second URL to the post body to make it explicit that there are multiple atachments. I like to unmark "mark this post as edited" when adding multiple attachments.

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Thanks!

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The Tesselate and United Flora need at least a low bonus, and medium bonus is better, to be successful opponents. Their two racial traits take a lot of research, and they may be crushed by another AI first. Conversely, the Rage and the Sergetti fair poorly after a while, their phase polaron beams don't provide much punch, because most TDM modpack AI's can get phased shields up early, again, with the bonus.

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I've found that if you want a tougher game against the AI, create larger quadrants with less AI's. This gives them more room to expand, get established and make use of their bonuses. If they encounter other empires early, they'll all set up borders & defenses, usually go to war and stunt each other's growth.

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Maybe they are only last at fighting other TDM AI's...

PvK

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There's also the "team play" option, so the AIs all gang up on the human player(s) and don't fight each other.

Another suggestion, based on my play against TDM AIs, is to play against AIs with the same atmosphere preference as the human player. The AIs aren't as good as humans at matching breathers and atmospheres, so this would reduce a human's advantage somewhat.

Question: Would it affect AI performance to change their atmosphere preference, e.g. when adding the Tessellate to a game, change their atmosphere from carbon dioxide to oxygen?

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No, you could change it without any problem.

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I concur 100% with you. The "combo" races need more time to offer a decent challenge.
In my view, an human player MUST play with at least "low bonus" to find some kind of challenge against the AI. For this reason have optimized the 3 AI's I did (Tessellate, Aquilaeian and Pyrochette), to play with "low bonus".

Playing without bounuses against others AIs, think still the UF and Tesselalte are very competitive, because the others AIs are not so smart to fight against their ramming ships.
Anyway, concur with you that during that time, can compete against them with success.

Althoug think the Rage it's an strong AI, in my view is not under the 10 best AIs list. Agree the Rage are good in the early game... but fighting only with PPB and with wars against anyone, most the time they're hopeless in mid-long time.

About the Sergetti... think it's a very different history. In their time, they were one of the best, and first modded AIs.
In fact, they inspired me to enter into the bussiness and to create the Pyrochette!
But while most the modders continued modding and updating their AI files to take advantage of the new patches, Daynarr doesn't did it and think that now the difference between the Sergetti and a more "modern" AI, its very clear in terms of performance.

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hey, when are you all gonna think about putting stuff like this in the wiki for easy editing and updating eh? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

dont worry, I've taken the liberty, but someone has to finish it:
http://wiki.spaceempires.net/index.p...dpack_for_SEIV

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Thanks, MB.

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http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif No problem!

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http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif But this was only the result for the Second Death Match.

All the results are:

DEATH MATCH 1 (December 2002)
==============================

1 Narn
2 Pyrochette
3 EEE - United Flora
5 Earth Alliance - Aquilaeian
7 Klingon - Namovans - Space Vikings - Toron
11 Romulan - Jraenar
13 Shadows - Angelican Regency - Rage - Praetorian - UkraTal - Azorani
19 SWEmpire - EEEVil - XiChung - Vaxin - Orks - Drakol


DEATH MATCH 2 (May 2003)
=========================

Final 1 United Flora 32
Final 2 Tessellate 27
SemiFinal 3 Space Vikings 23
SemiFinal 4 Aquilaeian 15
Round 6 5 CueCappa 16
Round 6 6 Narn Regime 15
Round 5 7 Pyrochette 15
Round 5 8 Toron 13
Round 4 9 Fazrah 9
Round 4 10 EEE 7
Round 4 11 Khrel 7
Round 4 12 Orks 5
Round 3 13 Gron 6
Round 3 14 Rage 4
Round 3 15 Namovans 3
Round 3 15 Earth Alliance 3
Round 3 17 Sallega 2
Round 3 17 Piundon 2
Round 2 19 Klingon 2
Round 2 20 Teslik 1
Round 2 20 Drakol 1
Round 2 20 Azorani 1
Round 2 20 Praetorians 1
Round 2 20 Colonial 1
Round 1 25 Cylon 0
Round 1 25 Corrian 0
Round 1 25 Romulan 0
Round 1 25 Toltayan 0
Round 1 25 Ekhazan 0
Round 1 25 Shadows 0
Round 1 25 Sergetti 0
Round 1 25 XiChung 0


DEATH MATCH 3 (Jan 2005)
========================

Final 1st Place Tessellate 27
Final 2nd Place United Flora 23
SemiFinal 3rd Place Aquilaeian 19
SemiFinal 4th Place Verduran 18
Round 5 5th Place Narn Regime 10
Round 5 6th Place Pyrochette 8
Round 4 7th Place Fazrah 10
Round 4 8th Place Earth Alliance 7
Round 3 9th Place Space Vikings 6
Round 3 10th Place Khrel 4
Round 3 10th Place CueCappa 4
Round 3 12th Place Toron 3
Round 2 12th Place EEE 3
Round 2 14th Place Orks 2
Round 2 15th Place Gron 1
Round 2 15th Place Sallega 1
Round 2 15th Place Rage 1
Round 2 15th Place Corrian 1
Round 1 19th Place Teslik 0
Round 1 19th Place Piundon 0
Round 1 19th Place Azorani 0
Round 1 19th Place Namovans 0
Round 1 19th Place Klingon 0
Round 1 19th Place Drakol 0

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feel free to put them on the wiki page for it so it can be remembered forever.

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The only race I fear.
The only one I hate with a passion.
The only one who I know will dominate if left to do so.

The Space Vikings.

Everyone else I can deal with on even terms, but I have been wiped out by the Space Vikings so many times I've lost count.
I've seen them jump from 3rd place to 1st place a few times.
I've had them go from a trade and research treaty to "Hello, now you die" mode many times in one turn.

They are relentless. Kill them quickly.

Everytime I come accross them I think of the addage, "Diplomacy is saying 'nice doggy' while you look for a big rock'"

Its a race to find a big enough rock before its too late...

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Could these be reatted in a SEIV rating format. Their score would be low compared to humans, but correct relitive to each other.