How Would You Respond? UPDATE
 

I got this message the other day in my Gamspot inbox.

I replied with the following statement:

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Wow...
He is obviously looking in the wrong genre! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif

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Hey, that just totally describes us, doesn't it! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/Sick.gif

I'm not sure what this guy's talking about, but it sure as hell isn't this community! "...to gain more points" ??? What the hell?

Oh well, I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion...unfortunately.

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I would give him an invite to KOTH (or the Ratings, if it had happened several months ago), so I can beat him and gain points and/or climb the Hill. Why do you ask?

Now if you will excuse me... Full thrust and direct course to Ed! Firing all forward cannons! Need to rack up some more points!

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The comments "pouncing on geeks" and "expert flyer and fighter" suggest that the original poster is thinking of a different game. Could he have confused "Space Empires IV" and "Space Empires: Starfury"?

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And he has the nerve to call *us* "geeks"? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smirk.gif

He's obviously confused. SEIV is a 4x game, not a shoot-em-up. And Starfury isn't multiplayer.

Yet another example of the 4x/1PS bifurcation gone bad...

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The message was sent back May to my inbox at Gamespot. I never bothered to check it until today.

I honestly have no clue what the guy is talking about. I think he was just a disgruntled MOO3 fanboy who was a bit peeved at me for saying MOO3 sucked ***.

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I wouldn't have. He's obviously frusterated because the game concepts cannot be mastered by the speed of one's mouse clicks. *shrug*

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Space Empires is not really a good game for shoot em up type people to play. Reference my brother. He got bored after the first ten minutes because he didn't get to shoot or blow up anything.

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...I like shoot'em'ups.

I like pretty much everything but sports games (Only got into one of those, but I was rather good at it).

I guess part of it is that I'm good at any type of game, but great at none. (Although I can be great at a game).

* This rambling dialog brought to you by 'I just woke up', a subdivision of Semi-Coherent though, inc.

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Narf, you just woke up? What time zone do you live in?

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No offense but I call this the eight year old syndrom. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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PST.

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We have similar 'children' within Ultima Online.

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One thing I do know is that it takes some patience to learn this game. Those with little patience will never stick with it long enough to enjoy it.

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Well you have to remember that this game requires thought and not just a fast clicker finger.

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I think he was thinking that SEIV was a RTS game where you build things to gather resources then build ships and fight ala Armada.

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Yes, this is indeed a thinkers game. Chess comes to my mind when thinking of SEIV, but SEIV is a lot more fun and has a lot more freedoms. It does sound like this fellow was looking for the fast paced, shoot em up type game with quick results. Not everyone is cut out for SEIV and games that are like it (if there are any like SEIV - I'm not a gamer so don't know what is out there in gamedom).

In reply to Atrocities question, I think I would have just explained that I feel he was looking for a different game than what SEIV can offer. Then maybe explain the concept of SEIV to him and why lots of people have enjoyed the game for many years. And add that just because he did not enjoy SEIV this does not make a game lousey or however he put it. Lots of games I do not enjoy, but I can see they are great games considering what they offer, playability, reliability, and quality.

This is my two cents worth. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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Stars! is a good, if old one.

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Some people can't see quality in a game unless it has ground breaking graphics.

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It's unfortunate that there are people like this that work at web sites and magazines that review games. I hope he doesn't get a say in any SEV review. Calling a game weak becaus it doesn't suit your taste is quite unprofessional, espcialy for an online gaming magazine(or whatever they are).

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"Expert flyer and fighter"

LOL that's the problem he is an exper "lone wolf' not a good command mentality there.

If you prefer simply flying and fighting you wouldn't make a good Ruler because you'd get bored with all that damned time of peace and travel and exploration bleeek.

LOL Although I LOVE "expert" yet we are geeks because we are "expert rulers" instead of simply "bash em beat um club em bite em." types http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Besides most people who use the term "expert flyer and fighter" generally mean THEY just *** camp and snipe at people respawning OR THEY wait for noobies to come onto a server and just stalk them around and shoot them repeatedly.

I mean if you have EVER played a multi-player FPS or Star Wars Jedi Knight game you'll know that most of the experts are laming little turdsacks that don't use skill to win.

Delta force comes to mind with the freakin Grenade spammers, OF COURSE you'll kill twenty people in a row when you just spam high explosive grenade launchers at the enemy spawn point lol. What takes skill is when you go with a short range G-11 and OWN those bastards with the grenade launchers! (sorry flashbacks to when I had nothing but my G-11 and a K-bar lol)

Anyway yeah this guy is either to dumb to realize he has the wrong genre or too much of a "bash em, beat em, club em, bite em" mentality to realize finesse and strategy can be fun too.

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This person has obviously never actually played the game, if you want my honest oppinion, and please read right to the end before you judge!

I love strategy games and I love space or futuristic games, I was looking everywhere for really good game, I have been playing and love the X series of games for ages (www.egosoft.com) I had just heard of Space Empires 4.

I looked everywhere in shops, and could not find it ANYWHERE (UK), I did the only thing I could think of, Download it, (by now I am fed up of demos that do not give good impressions of games),

I tried going in to the game about 4 times in total, but each time I got fed up after about 5 mins thinking that it is boring, all the icons are very overwhealming, and I can tell you for sure that the tutorial is very very long and after reading 4 pages, you get a little board!

I thought that there must be more to this game, and then I descided I would try and actually get in to it, I played one game in full, and I LOVED IT! when you start off and the best you can do is make a simple ship that has basic weapons, you guess it can only get better weapons and range e.t.c. but then when you play for longer and get new techs like steller manipulations, it certainly adds loads to your game.

After playing one more game, I knew this was the game for me, and I immediatly purchased the game, and I just could not get enough of it!

It is now one of the best game I have ever played with so much depth, and I just love it! personally I spend to much time on it, what I do is leave the game on when I am at my pc, and just do turns whilst in between work, like every 30 mins, or at weekends only, you really need to discipline yourself to only do it at certain times or you spend for to much time.

This game a I said really is good, the best infact, but if you have never played it, it can look bad and very overcomplicated. When you give it time, that is when you can enjoy it, If you only play it for 2 mins and make a judgement, you really are not giving a honest review

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Hey wilhil, I think I saw a post of yours at the egosoft forums a couple days ago! Do you go by wilhil there too? Can't wait for X3 to arrive! (later release in North America... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif )

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yeah, I go by that on every site I am a member of, and I should be the only one! my Name is WILliam HILsum and I just like that AKA!

I have been a xer from the X-BTF days years ago! but I will be waiting for the USA release this time, on x2 starforce messed my pc up.

I used to be on the egosoft forums all the time (check my profile there and date joined http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif!) but about a year ago I moved and hang out with people with intrests in one of my jobs (programming) at gamedev.net I enjoy it there more because I find that egosoft forum admins are a bit to lock happy!

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lol Yeah that guy probobly didn't play at all if he's dumb enough to mention POINTS lol where the hell be the points I want some!

Give me nine hundred I'll put them in front pocket and impress the ladies with my POINTS heheh http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif


As far as X goes I played X2 for a bit and so far got bored rather quick since it takes TOO DANG LONG to get any money with which to expand and the dang Khaak keep blowing my transports out of President's End and yet the stupid trannies keep going back there instead of AROUND IT grrrrrr.

Oh and the AI is completely retarded and constantly spins the ship your firing at STREIGHT INTO ME lol I mean yeah bub that's a great tactic your getting shot just ram me lol

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I consider it a "point" every time I jettison a Xenos. (which means I have billions of points)

Re: How Would You Respond? UPDATE
 

I got two responses on the 12th of this month.


And Then

I guess now that SEIV has been around for FIVE, yes count them, FIVE years, and is due to be re-released in stores, the game has earned its crediblity. Largely in part to the fans, Shrapnel Games, and mostly Aaron's insightful design.

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I am glad he found the error in his judgement of SEIV. It is sad he had to resort to insulting you/ us because we find SEIV a stimulating game. Oh well. It does make one feel better that he probably feels like a putz. I may disagree with his entertainment choices, but I surely would not call him shallow because of his choices. I know lots of intellegent and very deep people that enjoy very simple games. It allows them not to have to over think because that is what they do all the time. Glad this situation is solved. :} Atrocities 1 : Obnoxious Guy 0

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I agree. I told him it was ok, a lot of people make that mistake...?

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LOL, once he got the game name right, his review was right on the mark.