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10 I would love to see this feature implemented. It would add more depth to the gameplay and a new element of stategy. As well as some more realism.

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Sorry I can't see anything in it but frustration! You know the tale of Sisyphus? Just when you think you made it the unpredictable civil war will put you back at the beginning. That would be not a strategic game for me anymore but a game of chance. So for me it's 0.

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Q, the civil war would NOT be a random event. There are set triggers and parameters that cause the civil war. Perhaps you didn't know this. I get the impression you think its a random event. Check out the intergalactic civil war thread overview in the named thread.

Thank you for your feedback Q http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

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I think this is a good idea as it gives ramifications to the happiness of your people, and gives good reason to stay at war (bloodthirsty) or make peace (peaceful). A new dimension to the game is always a good thing. I give it a 10

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Thank you for your feedback Baal http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif

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I like the idea, along with pirates and locusts, I give it a 10, however, I think it should be put as an option because not everyone may want to use it or have it in the game, the same with pirates and locusts.

just some ideas mac

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Thanks for the feedback Mac5732 http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by chewy027:
Q, the civil war would NOT be a random event. There are set triggers and parameters that cause the civil war. Perhaps you didn't know this. I get the impression you think its a random event. Check out the intergalactic civil war thread overview in the named thread.

Thank you for your feedback Q http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

[This message has been edited by chewy027 (edited 08 April 2001).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

O.K. then this has been changed, because in the beginning it was thought of as a random event. Still not more than 1 for me .Sorry http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif

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Again, thanks for the feedback Q http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif

I think you will be one of the players who toggles this option OFF in the game setup http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif.

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both, definitly a 10. And make everything optional so the people who want to play the original game 'untouched' can. One question though, how would the civil war thing work for people who start with 10 planets?? All ten are 'homeworlds' are they not?

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I definately like the civil war idea as well. The way it was handled in Civ I and II was very balanced, and did not upset the gameplay at all. In fact, in early games, it made the mad dash to take the capital city while the empire was suffering from low morale a major strategic endeavor. I'd give it a 10 as well. As others have stated already, I do agree with the toggle at game startup to switch this feature off, if need be.

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Thanks for the feedback Lion of High Park and Deathstalker http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

BTY Deathstalker, good point, The answer to your question is in the civil war thread. Any new suggestions/ideas are welcome http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif

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I think that it would basically game over for anyone getting it!
As of now the worst that can happen is a loss of one system to a nova or black hole forming.
So I give it a 1 as well.

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Anyone who has this happen to them is almost certainly going to lose the game.

I'd give it a 5 if it was optional,
a 7 if it heavily depended on happiness,
and a 9 if the size of the rebellion depended on how big your empire is compared to everybody else. (Ie. if you're Last place, the rebellion is very minor, if you're first by a lot, then it could be up to half your empire)

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10. I like the option for keeping peacekeepers peacefull and bloodthirsty on the warpath. I also lean towards the idea of making this a really heavy intel project as discussed early in the other thread; ie 1 mil intell points or so (take over a year for even a large and developed empire to run).

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Vote: 10

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Trachmyr, Aussie Gamer, Suicide_Junkie, BlueMage Thank you all for your feedback http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif

SJ the civil war would depend heavily on happiness, and it would be optional. As for it depending on the size of the empire, that is a new idea and I will post it in the Civil war thread itself.

AG you could easily avoid getting this by defending your homeworld capital well and keeping your people happy. Otherwise you could just turn it off.

Bluemage do you mean only an intel project or an intel project along with the triggers?

Please post any response in the civil war thread. Unless you want to change your vote http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif

Thank you all for your time.

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Vote = 10

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Having looked over the summary of the Civil war thread, I shall declare a vote of (8).

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Atrocities thany you for the feedback http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

SJ thank you for a definite answer http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif

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Sorry for my sloppy post (clarification):

Intell project + triggers; basically if an empire is on the edge of civil war it should be possible for another empire to push it over.

I do not agree with it occuring without triggers; no revolution occurs when everyone is essentially happy with their respective government and society.

Basically I think any event should be triggerable by an intell project.

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I agree that the option should be toggleable at the game set-up.

I also think that Intell projects should be able to "help the process along", a la Anarchy Groups, PPP, etc.

And I think that with this type of enhancement, it makes the Emotionless trait much more valuable.

Overall, I'd give it a 7 (Given some of the other issues that really need help, IE: the AI).

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vote = 0

a very very bad idea

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Possum I'm sorry you feel that way http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon9.gif

Gruel good point about the emotionless trait http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif

BlueMage thanks for the clarification http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif

And thank you all for the feedback http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Sorry 0 for me.

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Thanks for the feedback Emperor Zodd http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

Just wondering why you feel that way. I mean 0 is pretty low.

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I'd give it a 2.

I feel there are a large number of other features I'd like to see implemented first.

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Thanks for the feedback greghacke http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

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If it is optional then I vote 10. If not, I don't know maybe 5.
I'd like to try it but not necessarily all the time.

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Marty Ward thanks for the feedback http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

And yes the feature would be opitional in game setup http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif

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I'm not against the idea, and in fact I think that's good.
But, I would like to see other things implemented/fixed, first. Then, my vote is 3.

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"Gentlemen! We are here to defend democracy, not practice it!"

That being said, I'll add my vote in at a 10.

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My vote is 6

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I like the idea, but I think some kinks probably will probably need to be worked out, and it definately needs to be tested first. Other than that I would say there needs to be some more general fixes to the AI before new functionality is added. So overall I give the idea an 8.

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Give the idea an 10, although I agree that MM should give other things a higher priority.

I'm also uncomfortable with the idea of government centres being facilities that the player can build and scrap. I'd rather see an "automatic" implementation, with the player having only indirect control- moving gov. control from planet to planet should be an option though. Chewy- where can I find this thread summary ppl are talking about?

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Dogscoff, Master Belisarius, jc173, Marco, and Str8_Gain Thank you all for the feedback http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

Dogscoff the summary is in the intergalactic civil war thread. I update it as new ideas/suggestions are given. It should be near the top of the thread.

And yes some other things should be ironed out first. But I think this idea would be a great new feature in the game http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif

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Very nice Idea and because for those who don't want to tempt fate can turn it off I give it a 10 http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

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I go along with bluemage IWO intel should be more prominent in triggering civil war. Apart from that it's an interesting idea especially as an option. My vote gotta be 10

tic

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I dont think it could be done and still keep the game balanced. Once you have a civil war - your done. So I vote 0 - sorry

Planets already rebel. Problem is the next turn you can demand their surrender - and they will.



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AJC, tictoc, and Sirkit thank you for your feedback http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Vote = 0

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I would have to give it a 8 - based on my comment in the intergalatic civil war thread...

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capt_spoogy and raynor thank you for the feedback http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

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I think that this would only work if ships were tied more to the planets that built them .Then there would be a chance of some of your fleet going against you. Of course it will really piss me off if my best warship turned against me right before we were about to make a run at an enemy planet. I think that more things would have to be coded for actual crews. Which would most likely require them to use an idea I posted in another thread about 2 weeks ago about crews and populations.
While the idea would be a cool opion, I don't think it would work without adding actual crews and races (not crew comps) to the ships. (see my other Posts about the crews and pop usage.)

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Thanks for the feedback Dracus, but you forgot to vote http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif

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I vote: (long tense mysterious pause): YES

Oops forgot my number: 10

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vote: 10

definitely optional. Definitely needs to be non-random. I like the idea of tying ships to planets so that they go to the new empire if their world rebels. It may not even take much code to do so.

Would definitely need to make it so the new empire would not just surrender next turn though. Rather pointless.

A rebellion that spreads would also be good, within limits.

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Jason2 and Devnulicus thanks for the feedback http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

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I would have to say 6, as it stands.

If they included actual crews made up of the races in your empire /and maybe linking ships to planets then I could go higher.
With actual crews then you would have to manage captured races better becuase this would allow for other things to happen also.

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Thanks for the feedback Dracus http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif