Multiple Repels?
 

Hey, how do the attack-repel mechanics work if the defending unit has two weapons equipped? Or perhaps even four weapons equipped (like a nata)? Does every weapon that the defender has which is longer than the attacking weapon get a chance to repel? Does each successful repel attempt cause the 1pt of damage (for a possible max of 4)?

Re: Multiple Repels?
 

1 more thing, would flaming weapons affect a repel? if so then get a nataraja with 4 herald lances, some reinvig and some decend armour so like this: nataraja with some fire (flaming weapons) maybe some astral for etheral/luck ect 4 herald lances, spirit helm, any armour robe of invunrability? or jade armour? boots of flying/quickness and then a misc of your choice which should have reinvig then send him up vrs some ermor hordes

Re: Multiple Repels?
 

No, no and no.
You got it all the wrong way http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Check the manual, and the addendum, and think about it:
- Check for repel is done when the rolls for the attacking unit are made.
- Repel is 1 damage point fixed. No special weapon properties are taken into account.

=> There's no 'repel attempt', there are only 'attack attempts vs longer weapons'. Each unit has a chance to get repelled for every attack it makes (if it uses shorter weapons than the target).

If the target has multiple weapons, greatest weapon length is used for repel calculations. Therefore it doesn't matter how much weapons you stuff on your Nata.

This leaves the question - what do Flaming Weapons do?
In case of the defender, nothing.
In case of the attacker, I'm not sure. They (and other secondary effects) should not add a full attack, but an additional damage roll, so there's no additional repel roll. (flaming weapons don't have a length, you know). Otherwise, any blessable multi-weapon unit would kill itself quite quickly against Light Infantry, what they don't.

Re: Multiple Repels?
 

I think each long weapon gives an extra chance to repel and do damage. Saw soulles getting 4 damage when attacking a ettin mandragora.

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and of course the 4 herald lances would help when nataraja is attacking, maybe 1 or 2 could be replaced with an accursed shield and something else

Re: Multiple Repels?
 

There are times when you guys are driving me nuts...
There's nothing to "I think" about it. That's how the devs say it works. Read carefully:

The check for repel is made for each ATTACK, and takes in account the longest weapon the defender has. (Manual page 14, 6.2.2 Repel)

Kristoffer O posted May 25, 2004 18:53
Repell will never deal more than 1 p damage.

A unit CAN get more than 1 point of damage per combat turn from repel: If it has more than 1 attack.
Last time I checked, soulless have either fist or claw(29), both of which have only 1 attack.

So either you have miss-observed, or the devs don't know how their game works, or it's a bug.

Re: Multiple Repels?
 

ooh, or maybe all three http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Re: Multiple Repels?
 

Well I observed my ettin giving soulless more than 1 damage when they were attacking him and the only explanation I could think of that they were getting 1 repel damage for each of his sleepvines.

Re: Multiple Repels?
 

Maybe I've completely forgotten how it works but, IIRC, repelling doesn't do 1 damage. It involves a normal attack and damage roll but is capped at a maximum of one with no secondary effects. Since the damage from sleep vines is all in the secondary effect they should do no damage while repelling.

Re: Multiple Repels?
 

YOU GUYs ARE REALLY MAKING ME MAD !!

Dear Wick, if you think you may have "completely forgotten how it works", why don't you just shut up and read the manual (page 14, paragraph 6.2.2 Repel) and listen to the devs.

For the last time I'm going to re-state what Kristoffer O. posted and what's in the manual, respectivly:

If an attacker is repelled successfully and makes his morale roll to press on with his attack, he is assigned ONE damage point fixed, IF the defenders damage roll is higher than the protection roll of the attacker.

This damage point is NOT (capped) weapon damage, and therefore there can't be any secondary effect.

And as it's triggered by the attacker, not by the defender, it's ONE HIT(POINT) PER ATTACK at max.

If someone claims that repel does more than 1 point of damage per attack, I (and maybe the devs as well) would like to see a savegame which proves this.

Re: Multiple Repels?
 

In fact, I think Wick was referring to this piece of information:

It could be thought to be a normal attack capped at one point of damage without special effects.

Also, I had thought (for a LONG time) that repel deals one point of armor negating damage. The fact that high armor on the attacker helps against repel wasn't metnioned IN THIS THREAD previously, although it is found from the manual, from the section you said it would be in.

Re: Multiple Repels?
 

Then don't post anything.
Calm down first, and then post your message. (preferably, with less CAPS and bold)

Re: Multiple Repels?
 

Keep it civil please. There really isn't much to get angry about - if you can't get through to someone let it be. Getting angry wont help anyone.

Re: Multiple Repels?
 

Well, as long as we're all agreeing about that let's try another question. Can weapons like sleep vines & wails which don't do any normal damage repel?

Re: Multiple Repels?
 

"D[efender] generates a damage value and A[ttacker] generates a protection value. If the damage value is greter than the protection value, A[ttacker] takes one hit point of damage."

Judging from this, if this is accurate, I'd quess that Sleep Wines and Wails etc. couldn't give that 1 hp of damage. They could, however, cause the attacker to abort its attack, as the morale check doesn't ask for weapon's damage.

It'd be better to test it, however. This is all theory, and as I read in a sig yesterday (BTW, Wick, welcome back! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif):
"In theory, practice and theory are very similar. In practice, they are often quite different."

Re: Multiple Repels?
 

Well, I'd guess the same theory.

Testing this one looks painful. I guess modding to get two units identical except for weapon length and then running battle tests against manikins would do it. I think I've failed my morale check (but didn't take any damage).