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Atrocities December 9th, 2005 05:56 PM

And These Guys Get To Reproduce
 
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The founding fathers of our future American Leaders.... here they are.

Lets unload the bomb
Need A Lift
Jackstands are for smart folk
Home made ladders
Paid Professional Try this At home
Who Said Water and Electricty don't mix?

Randallw December 9th, 2005 08:20 PM

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Are you certain the guy jacking up the truck is American?. It looks Eastern European to me.

EvilGenius4ABetterTomorro December 9th, 2005 10:16 PM

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Is that bottles of beer in the background? As Homeland Security Beer taster I must impound that beer to protect it from eventual harm.

Thermodyne December 9th, 2005 10:23 PM

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Look where the guy is welding.....That large flat area is the gas tank http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif

Xrati December 10th, 2005 01:48 AM

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I don't know what you guys are talking about. I looked at the fork truck that fell off the dock with the bomb on it and I still haven't stopped laughing long enough to click on the next link. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Kamog December 10th, 2005 02:11 AM

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Wow, those people are so dangerous! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Need to have an ambulance standing by... Just watch from a safe distance. I wonder how many forklifts can stack without falling over?

Xrati December 10th, 2005 01:21 PM

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Yea, like the guy who stood there after a bomb fell off the dock and took a picture of it instead of RUNNING!!! Kinda reminds you of the other post about the STUPID music industry. (please post there on that subject, I think it's "OT: Die music fans die")

Strategia_In_Ultima December 10th, 2005 02:19 PM

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a.k.a. "How I learned to stop worrying and love the removal of the WARNING sign"

Baron Munchausen December 10th, 2005 05:43 PM

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Xrati said:
Yea, like the guy who stood there after a bomb fell off the dock and took a picture of it instead of RUNNING!!! Kinda reminds you of the other post about the STUPID music industry. (please post there on that subject, I think it's "OT: Die music fans die")

I heard a story on the radio a while ago about the government munitions 'factory' (which is probably where this picture was taken). They talked about 'accidents' and said "If you hear the bomb hit the ground, you are gonna survive." Meaning that 'accidents' with bombs tend to be too quick to even allow an "Oh, [censored]!" moment before you die. And just how fast do you expect to be able to run anyway? Do you know how fast the pressure wave from a high-explosive moves? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

narf poit chez BOOM December 10th, 2005 06:45 PM

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I don't care. I hear a bomb hit the ground, I'm outa there. Just because it didn't blow right away...

NullAshton December 10th, 2005 07:29 PM

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Yeah. You'd think that Americans would know this. In all the movies, a bomb seems to be a dud, and when they go to investigate... BOOM!

Xrati December 10th, 2005 07:58 PM

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I'm sure IF, I was able to run 100 mph. The pressure wave from a high-explosive probably moves at 101! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

narf poit chez BOOM December 10th, 2005 09:21 PM

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Hey, surviving has a higher priority than any worries about looking rediculous.

Thermodyne December 10th, 2005 10:26 PM

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I'm sure IF, I was able to run 100 mph. The pressure wave from a high-explosive probably moves at 101! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

I can't speak for an un-fused bomb self detonating, but a nice tight ball of C4 has a blast wave that starts out at over 8800 meters/s. Get in the way of that, and they screen the dirt for your remains. The bomb in question is more likely to burn than blow. Without the detonator, it would be hard to concentrate enough energy to set it off. They are actually designed to withstand aircraft crashes without going off, even with the fuses in place.

Xrati December 11th, 2005 12:59 PM

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I knew if I posted a speed that someone would post the actual speed of an explosion. Soooo if an explosion expands at 8800 meters/s, THEN we can assume that a human could not exceed 8790 meters/s!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

Renegade 13 December 11th, 2005 02:45 PM

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Well the explosion would initially be expanding at a rate of roughly 19,325 mph. By comparison, a person could maybe run at about 18 mph, and only for a very short time.

Baron Munchausen December 11th, 2005 04:17 PM

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I knew if I posted a speed that someone would post the actual speed of an explosion. Soooo if an explosion expands at 8800 meters/s, THEN we can assume that a human could not exceed 8790 meters/s!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

Good god... 8800 meters a second is orbital velocity! Humans, nor any other flesh & blood creature, can't possibly run at a measurable fraction of that.

And C4 isn't really the most powerful of high explosives. It's just a relatively cheap/easy to manufacture explosive that is powerful enough for what the military wants to do with it. More exotic explosives could probably double that velocity.

AdmiralMartin December 12th, 2005 01:00 PM

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It works in the movies :p

Emperor's Child December 12th, 2005 02:55 PM

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Well, this is sort of a classic myth that does not have much basis in fact. Bombs and other munitions are typically designed to be dropped or damaged without exploding... Called Sailor Proofing or Soldier Proofing, depending on the background. Some of the newer bombs can even be shot or set afire and still wont explode.

Phoenix-D December 12th, 2005 04:17 PM

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C4 is sort of famous that way. You can supposedly set it on fire and all you get is some really nasty smelling smoke. No boom unless you hit it with just the right electrical spark.

Greybeard December 12th, 2005 04:40 PM

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Randallw said:
Are you certain the guy jacking up the truck is American?. It looks Eastern European to me.

When I lived in Turkey eight years ago, sights like this were very common. They tended to make do with whatever was available, with surprisingly few accidents.

Thermodyne December 12th, 2005 05:03 PM

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C4 is sort of famous that way. You can supposedly set it on fire and all you get is some really nasty smelling smoke. No boom unless you hit it with just the right electrical spark.

Wrong….Take a piece of C4 about the size of a golf ball and light it under a canteen cup of water, and you have almost instant boiling water. Many a Claymore fell victim to the cooking needs of soldiers in the field. Problem was when they reassembled them and put them back into stocks. It’s relatively safe to carry, and not have it go off from a near miss concussion, but hot shrapnel will set it on fire. Once upon a time, guys used to keep a block in the bottom of their rucks, with a pull detonator that could be quickly hooked to the ruck flap. If you had to drop your gear and bug out, you could hook it up and give the first guy to find the ruck a real bad day.

Baron Munchausen December 12th, 2005 06:23 PM

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Thermodyne said:
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Phoenix-D said:
C4 is sort of famous that way. You can supposedly set it on fire and all you get is some really nasty smelling smoke. No boom unless you hit it with just the right electrical spark.

Wrong….Take a piece of C4 about the size of a golf ball and light it under a canteen cup of water, and you have almost instant boiling water. Many a Claymore fell victim to the cooking needs of soldiers in the field. Problem was when they reassembled them and put them back into stocks. It’s relatively safe to carry, and not have it go off from a near miss concussion, but hot shrapnel will set it on fire. Once upon a time, guys used to keep a block in the bottom of their rucks, with a pull detonator that could be quickly hooked to the ruck flap. If you had to drop your gear and bug out, you could hook it up and give the first guy to find the ruck a real bad day.

The way I heard it from a guy in the reserves (who apparently had real training experience but I didn't go check his credentials... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif ) is that C4 needs BOTH fire & 'shock' (percussion, physical jolt) to detonate. You can burn it and it's perfectly safe. You can pound it with a hammer and it's perfectly safe -- as long as it's NOT on fire when you pound it! If you light it on fire and then pound the burning chunk of chemicals it will explode. So those guys warming their coffee over a chunk of C4 had better not drop anything on their cookfire fuel.

This relatively stable nature is what makes C4 so useful to the military. There are certainly other explosives more powerful, but these are apparently much more dangerous to handle.

Thermodyne December 12th, 2005 07:31 PM

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The way I heard it from a guy in the reserves (who apparently had real training experience but I didn't go check his credentials... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif ) is that C4 needs BOTH fire & 'shock' (percussion, physical jolt) to detonate. You can burn it and it's perfectly safe. You can pound it with a hammer and it's perfectly safe -- as long as it's NOT on fire when you pound it! If you light it on fire and then pound the burning chunk of chemicals it will explode. So those guys warming their coffee over a chunk of C4 had better not drop anything on their cookfire fuel.

This relatively stable nature is what makes C4 so useful to the military. There are certainly other explosives more powerful, but these are apparently much more dangerous to handle.

It takes energy. Put enough pressure on it and it will go off.

narf poit chez BOOM December 13th, 2005 03:35 AM

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/me recalls the movie 'Broken Arrow'...

Randallw December 13th, 2005 03:49 AM

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I just found out there is a Darwin Awards movie coming out next year. I reckon some of these would qualify.


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