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Getting National Heroes - How Long?
So, how long has it taken for you to get your first national hero at the longest?
I don't know if I can claim some kind of record here, but when I played a Coop game with Kaljamaha last week, as BoH Abysia with the CB 5.4 mod, I had my first hero, Rago, show up in a timely fashion - on turn 130. Never saw Ba'al Chozron or Chuzrael, and I wasn't exactly thrilled with this kind of frequency. And I didn't even have misfortune scales. As a rule, I avoid them like the plague, except with BF Ulm which requires 1 misfortune scale. Edi |
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No idea...but it has sometimes been so long that I even forgot such things exist. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
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I had whole games without ever getting a hero, but they all ended before ~turn 80
And in all of them I had either Misfortune 1 or 2 |
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latest: never, won or lost before getting one. earliest: turn 2 or 3(had a few times with angerboda)
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The luck level directly effects the chances of a hero showing up. I remember being surprised at how big an effect it had, but regret I do not remember the exact details. However, if you boost your luck up, you really should be getting them early in play, early enough to count on it. It is a bit unpredictable, but when you boost it, you will get results. You might want to do a search for the details.
It can really help if you get the national hero with high summoning skill for Rhyleh, though I never found out if the luck scales effected the chances of summoning. |
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The luck effect is pretty damned big.
The best I remember was playing BF Ulm, which has a forced misfortune scale, and getting Burkhard Nachtzehrer the Blood Marshal on turn 2. Now that is something that can give the early game quite the boost... Edi |
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Of course, that enforced misfortune drops your chance to 2% a turn ( 3% base, +/- 1% per point of luck / misfortune - Misfortune 3 normally means zero chance of getting heroes under normal circumstances ). But even with Luck-3, I've definately had test games get to at least turn 40 or 50 without a hero, probably real games as well. |
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So at Luck +3 you have a 6% a turn of getting a hero? That is double regular luck and three times Luck –1, so it is a big difference.
Of course, you have to combine this with your “real life luck’… In my last game, I was playing Caelum and a very mobile strategy, all flying units. I got the wingless national commander… |
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The Harab Seraphine is nice, though. I don't remember any others for Caelum, if Return of the Raptors doesn't have any. I haven't played that one much... |
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I never get a hero when it would be useful. When I don't need one, they show up. |
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Its a multiplayer game. Random events should be useful but not a game-breaker. MP players tend to want to claim they won by their better strategy not the luck of a player.
Im more of a solo player myself, and Ive created add-ons to throw more random chaos into the game. But I do try to understand that things like PbEM, MultiPlayer, multiple operating systems, all can answer the "why" for many things I wish the game did. I am happy to see that the MP things seems all ironed out now and solo-play features are being addressed more in the Dom3 version (such as AIs and random maps) |
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Me too. I'm primarily a solo gamer so I hope there's a lot of goodies in the solo/AI department.
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Even when I know my fate is death I will fight to the bitter end to experience battles like HelmsDeep. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif Only difference is no rescue arriving... also this allows my opponent to enjoy his victory longer. The opponent is more likely to ally with me in a future game knowing I will fight to the bitter end. Quote:
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If you have 0 luck scale, there is 1.9% chance that you will not have a hero by turn 130. (Given the amount of players and games this is bound to happen for someone.)
If you have 3 luck scale, there is 8.4% chance that you will not have a hero by turn 40. |
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