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MarkSheppard June 23rd, 2006 04:06 PM

Danish Peacekeeping in Bosnia
 
From a Blog I read: Linka

In the comments on one of our recent Denmark posts, Charro99 said:

I'll never forget the Danish tank commander who was sent home from Yugoslavia in the 1990's by the UN when the UN concluded he was "too aggressive in returning fire". (I'll never forget that phrase.) His platoon of white UN tanks was ambushed by Serbs, and the Danes destroyed all of the Serb tanks, suffering no losses on their part. I realized then that Danes were different than most Europeans.

His story piqued my interest, so I did a careful internet search and finally found an account of the plucky Danish tank commander. The incident occurred in Bosnia in 1994, near the town of Tuzla. There is very little information available about it on the web — the few entries I found were on military forums, and seem to be re-posting material taken out of the print copy of a Newsweek story.

There were two separate accounts on a Danish forum, one credited to Newsweek, and the other uncredited; I'll quote from them both.

First, from Newsweek:

Frustrated Danish Tank Crews Punch Back

It was late at night when the Bosnian Serbs began to shell a United Nations observation post called Tango Two in the Sapna Finger, a Muslim-held salient near Tuzla. Danish Lt. Col. Lars Moller of the Nordic Battalion ordered two platoons of his Leopard tanks to charge to the rescue, which was just what the Serbs expected. As the seven tanks reached the foot of Sugarloaf Mountain, the Serbs opened fire with antitank missiles, artillery and machine guns.

"It was an ambush, and a damn good one," Colonel Moller said. "Tango Two was the cheese, and we were the mouse. But this time the mouse ate the cat."

One Danish platoon took cover behind buildings; the other maneuvered to high ground and counterambushed. When it was over, nine Serb soldiers were dead.

The "Nordbat" suffered no casualties. More important, it had done what no other U.N. peacekeepers in Bosnia had done before: strike back at the Serbs with force.

The April 30 battle of the Sapna Finger does not signal a change in U.N. strategy; in fact, U.N. officials in Sarajevo later played down its significance and hinted that Moller's troops had overreacted.


There's more in the second account:

"Things were getting out of hand," Moller said. He and [tank commander Maj. Carsten] Rasmussen agreed to hold their fire and ensure that Serb shelling of Tango 2 had ceased. After 30 minutes of quiet, the forward tanks began moving back to Saraci — but the Serbs began attacking them again.

Moller said he "began to get [ticked] off."

The officers ordered the tanks in Saraci to reopen fire. Continuously. For 15 minutes.

One round plowed into a Serb ammunition dump, igniting a massive, concussive blast. Not since a 1943 battle against the Nazis — and before that an 1864 clash with invading Prussians — had Danish forces been in such a fight, the Danes reckoned.


The trouble had begun when the UN representative allowed the Serbs to move tanks into the area from which they had previously been banned.

The tanks reportedly were redeployed on the Serbs' southern front. Incensed, Bosnian government authorities demanded [UN special representative, Yasushi] Akashi's resignation as the top U.N. official in the former Yugoslavia.

Other U.N. officials in Sarajevo tried to cover up the continued presence of 100 Serb soldiers within three kilometers of Gorazde and some heavy weapons within the no-go zone around that city, too, despite NATO's orders that they withdraw or face airstrikes.

In contrast, the Nordic Battalion, drawing on a long history of peacekeeping work by its Danish, Swedish and Norwegian troops, has showed how a tough stance can work in Bosnia.


No wonder Lt. Col. Moller had to be sent home — the last thing the UN wants is somebody displaying a tough stance.

And Lars Moller does sound like the kind of guy you want watching your back:

http://chromatism.net/current/images/moller.jpg

Moller, 40, the battalion's deputy commander and its top tank officer, is a past karate champion; his father was a Danish Resistance fighter in World War II, and his brother is also a U.N. soldier in Croatia.

He speaks English sprinkled with American slang he picked up on NATO maneuvers, but with an English officer's accent that seems to match his walking stick. "Turning your cheek is the wrong way down here," he says. "There's a lot of macho bulls**t down here and you have to adapt your behavior accordingly."

[…]

"The ambush was bad juju on their part. We are not here to take incoming," Moller said. "Fortunately for them, we are not here to get involved either. We could have destroyed all of them and been in Zvornik by morning."


Here's the part that I like best, from the second account:

Moller said the Danes spared three Serb T-55 tanks because, while the Leopards' infrared detectors found the Serbs' aiming systems turned on, they also determined that the enemy tanks' barrels were cold. Under the restrictive U.N. rules of engagement, only guns actually caught in act of firing may be hit.

Cameronius June 23rd, 2006 05:27 PM

Re: Danish Peacekeeping in Bosnia
 
I arrived in Bosnia in Oct/94 and I heard about this story at that time. These guys kicked *ss!

Palle October 15th, 2006 02:09 PM

Re: Danish Peacekeeping in Bosnia
 
A link, with that info it should be able to redo. If one makes the map.

http://www.milhist.dk/post45/boelleb...llebank_uk.htm

Best regards, Palle

Alpha October 16th, 2006 02:59 PM

Re: Danish Peacekeeping in Bosnia
 
I say all scandinavians kick a** !

CRO_Geronimo December 29th, 2006 05:38 PM

Re: Danish Peacekeeping in Bosnia
 
Hi there! I`m new here and from several scenario ideas I have choose this. Maybe someone else made a scenario but I did not find it (or I did not look enough). I used info from http://www.milhist.dk/post45/boelleb...llebank_uk.htm
and I have just finished scenario, now it will be tested and in few days posted here.

pdoktar December 30th, 2006 01:48 PM

Re: Danish Peacekeeping in Bosnia
 
Am I from Scandinavia? Im from Finland. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

Our UN troops have very strict rules regulating the use of firearms under UN rule. Whether its in self defense or not, the soldier is sent right home and the situation is investigated. A ticket to home you could say. However lately in Afghanistan (I dont know what on earth we are doing there), four guys were rewarded with the highest decoration given in peace-time for defending a base against overwhelming superiority in numbers. Its all about being there and not i would say.

Marek_Tucan December 30th, 2006 05:03 PM

Re: Danish Peacekeeping in Bosnia
 
Yup, the peacekeeping rules seem tobe screwed many times... Good our spec ops troops in Afghanistan aren't binded by these now http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

pdoktar December 30th, 2006 05:32 PM

Re: Danish Peacekeeping in Bosnia
 
Sorry Marek, but where are you from? I just don´t recall..
My guess is Poland...

loktarr April 8th, 2007 09:21 AM

Re: Danish Peacekeeping in Bosnia
 
I'm not sure it's the good location for this post, but does anyone know where I can find a scenario about the little fight around the Vrbanja bridge in 1995 in Bosnia? I remember playing this one but I cannot remind where I downloaded it...
Thanks
Loktarr

Palle October 3rd, 2010 06:21 AM

Re: Danish Peacekeeping in Bosnia
 
Just a quick update.
Lars R. Møller is not too popular in the leadership of the Danish defence Forces as his attitude is the same in general; he is frank and to the point. Not political or politically correst at all. Currently he serves as the chief of Hærens Kampskole (Army Combat School), a fitting place for him, but hid career has been going sideways for a while and many soldiers and low ranking officers believe he should have much higher posts, for with them he is VERY popular.

You can find him on Facebook should you so wish, just search "Lars R Møller".

Imp October 3rd, 2010 07:17 AM

Re: Danish Peacekeeping in Bosnia
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Palle (Post 759818)
Just a quick update.
Lars R. Møller is not too popular in the leadership of the Danish defence Forces as his attitude is the same in general; he is frank and to the point. Not political or politically correst at all. Currently he serves as the chief of Hærens Kampskole (Army Combat School), a fitting place for him, but hid career has been going sideways for a while and many soldiers and low ranking officers believe he should have much higher posts, for with them he is VERY popular.

You can find him on Facebook should you so wish, just search "Lars R Møller".

There is some typicaly well thought out political thinking, we dont like his attitude so put him in training so he can spread it to everyone. I love it perhaps we should give them a 5 point morale boost in the game.

Palle October 3rd, 2010 12:57 PM

Re: Danish Peacekeeping in Bosnia
 
LOL yes...
The same political officers panicked at the release of Thomas Rathsack's book about his Jægerkorps service as they thought it contained top secret information about the training, deployment and routines of the Jægerkorps.

I was never a Jæger, but I have some military and Patrol experience, I am a military historian and I am not stupid, there is nothing in that book that I did not already know. IE they must be stupid and have no field experience. They only have experience sitting on their fat a*ses, better promote the man behind Bøllebank, Lars R Møller.

Oh well... all armies at all times have been plagued by Hinterland warriors...

Palle October 3rd, 2010 02:13 PM

Re: Danish Peacekeeping in Bosnia
 
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Seems I cannot edit, but here is a recent picture of Lars R Møller

Palle December 6th, 2011 11:39 AM

Re: Danish Peacekeeping in Bosnia
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Imp (Post 759821)
There is some typicaly well thought out political thinking, we dont like his attitude so put him in training so he can spread it to everyone. I love it perhaps we should give them a 5 point morale boost in the game.


And looking at our various DANCON contingents, especially in "**** Country" (DANCON slang for Afghanistan), it seems that more and more of the young generations of officers are of Møller's brood.

Makes me proud to be Danish.


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