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For anyone who's interested.....

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These people really have no freaking clue what makes the average Trek fan tick do they? The average non-Treker will not see this because they don't like Trek. And the average Trek fan will hate it casue they are screwing with the established timeline. And he thinks this is the "best" of both worlds? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

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There just pissed that they let RB and BB screw things up so badly. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

This old Harvy Bennette idea has been laughed to death so many times that they really must now be utterly desprate to even be thinking about it.

They SHOULD GO WITH THE ROMULAN WAR TRILOGY!

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I agree with Geo. Don't call it a Star Trek movie if it's not going to fit in with the Star Trek universe.

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While it is an interesting idea and previous productions have been successfully in re-booting franchises (ie Batman, prolly Superman), I'd rather see their creative energies in create a new Sci-Fi type universe instead. Perhaps one with vegetables, and fruit, and meat, and... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

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They should just create a new space opera series based upon Star Trek. Look at what the books have been able too do. Lets face it, the original series is over, the cast are dying off, and to now go back and try to remake history is just plain f***ing stupid in my book. Sure Matt D. would be an interesting Captain, but who would they get to play Spock or McCoy? Gary Sinese (sp) as Doctor McCoy, and some unknown dude to play is playing Mr. Spock.

For Gods sakes, listen to the fans for once and just make a trilogy dealing with the Romulans. Hell introduce a new cast and give us something to call Star Trek.

Really I would love nothing more than to take these young yuppie stuck up producers of today and beat them to near death with their blackberries and liberal "lets remake Star Trek" scripts.

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Here's a thought, have Matt Damon play Kirks great great grand son. The plot would be simple, on the maiden voyage of the Enterprise F James Thaddous Kirk and crew uncover a secret plot by the romulans to destroy the Klingon Star system using an ancient Federation technolongy, the Genesis device.

Kirk and crew must stop the evil plot form succeeding with a damaged ship, limited ability, and a cunning and devious enemy commander bent upon finishing his mission.

Kirks great great grandson could easily be explained away as the child of one of Kirks many sexual excursions.

Think about it, Admiral Picard giving a new Star Ship Enterprise to the great great grandson of James Kirk. Picard having met Kirk and been there at his death would have taken a special interest in Kirks offspring. Then Kirk and crew set out to save not only the Federation, but the Klingon empire as well.

If I can come up with a story.... then why in the hell can't they?

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And lets make the enemy Romulan commander an intelligent bad guy like the dude in Serenity or Darth Vader. No more of these idiots of year bad guys.... That just insults people and pisses me off.

Make the movie a long epic film.. hire Peter Jackson to help develop it and to direct it. Take a page out of the Gene Roddenburry book of success and move on with a new crew, a new mission, and a new philosophy toward intelligent story telling coupled with good characters and exceptional plots.

[censored] can these remakes and pre-tos ideas and start fresh. Pick up where Nemesis left off and move on. Give us something fresh, not something thats been reheated, remade, and reserved so many times that the meir thought of it sickens one to the point of vomitting.

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Woah, Trek has an established time line? It seems to shift and bend as the writers see fit (like that awful Enterprise...).

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There is a way to fix all of the time line muck ups. But no one will ever be brave enough to do it. Like I said, hire Peter Jackson and tell him to fix Star Trek.... then leave him to do his job.

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J. Michael Straczynski could do a damn fine job too, though he might kill himself in the process. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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While I'm a huge fan of Star Trek (in general), I think they should just let it go for a while. It's simply been done too many times; take the time to come up with something truly original, or at least something that hasn't been done to death several times over.

Give it 5 years, or 10, or 15 for that matter. If they continue as they have been going recently, Star Trek will be dead in most people's eyes before very long.

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It's just part of a very sad trend in Hollywood at the moment. Have you noticed that every other film that comes out is a remake of an old film or a book? Omen 666. Superman. Poseidon (like it wasn't bad enough the first time). Kong. Star Trek 'Rebooted'. You get the idea.

Hollywood has finally lost what little imagination it ever had. What's sadder is that no-one seems to care...

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Yes, it does to a point. And screwing with it has never led to much success, as shown by the pitiful ratings Enterprise got. After people got over the titilation of a hot Vulcan babe being slathered with gel in the decontamination booth, the series kind of petered out. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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I sware to God if Superman has a giant spider in it, I will kill have to kill some...

Years ago when they first started to work on a new Superman story the creative consultant they brought on board was the fat dude who wrote and directed Clerks. I recently watched an HBO special of some of his speaking engagements and I have to say that he is one funny dude with some really interesting stories. One such story was about this producer who wanted giant spiders in superman. The superman gig fell through but this same produce went on to produce the abissmal Will Smith movie Wild Wild West. And guess what, it had a giant metal spider.

So who knows what kind of movie Superman will turn out to be. I am suprised that Superman wasn't made out to be a black gay man who grew up hating his father in an anti-social geo-political family.

I do have a question though, why is it that the Gay community always tries to promote that super hero's such as Superman, Batman, and such are gay? Superman is NOT gay, and while the Adam West version of Batman might be open to interpitation, the most recent Batman movie clearly proves that Batman is not gay. (They got us on Robin though, theres no getting away from that one.)

Spiderman is also not gay, strange and quite possibly a virgin, but most definatly not gay.

But back onto topic about Star Trek. If they do go ahead and make this "new" movie, as they are indicating they are planning to do, then all hope for a successful restart of the franchise is in question. Quite frankly they dropped the ball with Enterprise and UPN. (Don't get me started on UPN.)

Enterprise proved that there was no fan interest in a pre-TOS series or movie. Yet here we are, reading about some dumb *** yuppy produce trying to make what is essincially a pre-TOS series with TOS characters. This is without a doubt, one of the dummest dip**** things any one in hollywood has ever concieved of and the fact that they are seemingly going ahead with this project just proves that hollywood, especially Paramount Pictures, is way the hell out of touch with those who would be, and quite possibly are, its target audiance. WE DON'T WANT A REMAKE OF TOS! Give us something new, not something old made into something new.

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So... let them produce the movie, let them fail horribly at it, and let them learn their lesson because of the few hundred million or more dollars they lost. Not like we lose anything.

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I wish they would move on... What about the "time division" of Starfleet?

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http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif Just kidding.........

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That would actually be the next big thing... ROFLMAO ... you should post that on TrekBB or other sites... it is quite believable.

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The fat dude is Kevin Smith. Go watch Dogma, I love that film.

Because they like big muscly men and they wish those characters were gay? I have to say I've never heard of anyone "promoting" superman et al as gay, although I'd bet that a google for "Superman slash" (with safe search turned off) would yield an awful lot of results.

It might also have something to do with the buttock-hugging tights. And I daresay there are gay men who can identify with the whole secret double-life thing that most superheroes lead. And the fact that although you see superheroes spending a lot of time with hot girls in spandex, they don't seem to get laid all that often. And most of the costumes are, let's face it, a bit camp.

Go and find yourself a copy of a book called "how to be a superhero" by Mark Leigh and Mike Levine - it is extremely funny, and explores the whole "Boy Wonder" thing quite humourously. Oh hell, here's the amazon link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/156...e&n=283155
(Not to be confused with "How to be a Superhero" by Dr Metropolis)

Peter Parker married the offensively out-of proportion Mary-Jane Parker nee Watson (After his first squeeze was thrown to her death off of a suspension bridge by his best friend in a goblin outfit, IIRC), so I very much doubt Spidey's a virgin. Of course, getting married proves nothing these days and some would say he's trying to prove something, marrying a barbie doll like that...

Now Captain America, he is sooooo gay:
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Anyone ever see the tick? They did a whole show about how Arthur(Tick's "Moth" Sidekick)hadn't told his parents about his new "Super" lifestyle choice. He "comes out" as a super hero to his parents and they commit him to a facility to "deprogram" his "delusions of super". The facility was run by Dave Folley, from News Radio and Celeb poker, who it turns out is closet super himself(he puts ofthe hero's costumes and locks his office and prances around in them). It was a frickin hilarious show that got fouled over by fox, only 1 season, but soooo wesome.

But yeah, between inuendo, pop psycologists, religious wack jobs, we're all flaming gay, manic, depressed, hellbound sickos who want to screw our mothers, kill our fathers, addicts who are "addicted" to stuff that is impossible to be addicted to, who need to be constantly doped up, but not with certain substances, jus the ones that cause impotence, anal leakage, stomach craps and liver failure that have 15 sylables in their names, all because we weren't spanked or spanked to much, or not hugged enough, or hugged to much, or hugged in a nono zone.

Sometimes a man in red and blue tights, a codpiece and a cape with a 13 year old ward, is just a man in red and blue tights, a codpiece and a cape witha 13 year old ward.....

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*dogscoff awards Hugh the "Most entertaining rant of the month" trophy. [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon09.gif[/img]

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As long as they avoid that academy movie or series that's been kicked around for years. I can picture it now. "Star Trek 90210" (shudder) No thanks. Even a hardcore trekkie like me wouldn't watch something like that. I hardly ever watched BH 90210 (and that was in the early years), and modern shows like The OC I generally avoid like the plague. Give me a good movie similar to ST 2 or 4, and I'll be happy. Just don't bring in the borgs, because I'm sick of them and I think they've been overdone. A good Federation/Romulan war would be good. Maybe they can even do the one before Kirk's time, which is where it looked like Enterprise might have been headed to if it had lasted another season or two.

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I'm over Star Trek and Star Wars. Those brands are dead to me.

The only decent thing to come out of the Star Wars universe in the last ten years is Knights of the Old Republic. Which, if you haven't played - and like console-style RPG's - is worth the time.

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Is this the future-past of Star Trek ???

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That's just scary...

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R O T F L M A O! Now thats FUNNY! (If this were true, then we know Kirk and Spock would be gay lvers.

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Wow, that was scary. I was drinking when I saw that picture. Now I have to clean soda off my desk. . .

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but yeah, that's only every 7 years that Kirk & Spock would hook up. No wonder Kirk was chasing so much intergalactic tail between those times! hahaha

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After reading Starczynski's and Zabel's pitch, I can safely say those two need to be hurt. With a rock or something.

His basic pitch is to reboot trek from before the original series where they find an ancient and obscure civilization with tons of nifty gadgets and stuff for a pilot. (There is a reason why B5: Crusade failed. There is a reason why Glen Larson's Buck Roger's season 2 failed. And, please sir, no more Vorlons).

And apparently, by the end of the pilot, Kirk fights it out with another alien to get the mysterious city of the ancients.... what? no ripped shirts?


Then he goes on to talk about a galactic "Da Vinci Code" conspiracy in the DNA of all kinds of races --- wait he said "Artist's signature"... that sounds like a soft-sell on Intelligent Design! Bah! Leave religion to Galactica! I know JMS is an athiest, but the man dumps far too much religious material into his work for my tastes.

That's not to say JJ Abrams deserves any better. I feel what he's doing will amount to a reboot of the frandchise much like JMS has been planning.

I'm personally a fan of the Susstrem (spelling?) Romulan War Trilogy and I think a good movie triliogy might serve the series good a few years down the road, but it's just too soon. Plus that trilogy would indicate that James T Kirk was named for a relative of his from that period, Capt. Tiberius Chase and not the roman emperor http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

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The DNA thing isn't too original. In about the only NG episode I haven't seen they uncover evidence that the first ever aliens seeded various planets with their own DNA. This is why all the aliens are basically huamoids with slight differences.

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I read that DATA survived the explosion of the Romulan ship but was so badly damaged that he had to be reconstructed and no longer looks like DATA. This will alow a new younger actor to play DATA.

Ya, that will work out just fine. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

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Worked fine for Kryten. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

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No one can play Data like Brent Spiner...and no one will be able to play Spock like Leonard Nimoy.

However, I will keep an open mind if they should being these characters back.

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I wouldn't mind it if they decided to redo TOS with an all new cast and technology set. Given the advancements in technology since the 60's I am sure they could update the bridge and ship controls to look more in flow with our technology curve than they are currently in TOS.

Enterprise did a nice job, but was executed poorly over all with dull, conflicting, and unispiring stories that did not play well or lend themselves overall to the established pre-TOS time line. While I did like the Andorian and Tellorite episodes, I was left feeling as though I was cheated out of what could have become one of the best Star Trek series of all time. Mainly thanks too the lack of interest in writing solid logicially flowing episodes that used established trek history over the "hey lets do this, history be damned" method that was employeed in Enterprise.

Prior to TOS there were no practical invisiblity or cloaking screens. It was something comepletely new to the Federation. Yet by episode six or seven of Enterprise they encountered a race that had STNG hologram technology and a cloaking device. WTF!

It was established in TOS that the Romulans did not have cloaking technology, nor ship to ship visual capablity, or warp drive, yet in ENT they re-wrote history and gave the Romulans these capabilities. They pissed away any chance for a Romulan war and while I generally like what they did with the Klingons in ENT, they could have done more.

So here we are now. We have no where to go with the Star Trek franchise but back. Back to TOS and hopefully a well scripted movie and a solid cast that can live up to the tradition and expectations of a starving fan base.

I personally woudn't mind seeing a new TOS series, hell even a complete redo of TOS would be ok with me. It would be an omoge (sp) to the original series, hated by many, but accepted by most. The cast of the New Voyages interent videos have proven that people will accept a new cast playing Kirk and Crew so long as the stories are good, the action is solid, and the technology is believable. Hell our cell phones of today are smaller than the communicators of TOS. My calculator has more computing power than the Enterprises Computer, and floppy disks have all but gone extinct in the face of DVD's and memory cards.

TOS would benefit from a re-invigortion. Update the technology to look more in flow with our technology progression and five us a new TOS series that while not the old TOS is the new TOS complete with solid scripts, inventive casting, and dedicated acting.

I want a new Star Trek series that is tranditional and does not [censored] on the star trek time line like Enterprise did. One that is not a reset to zero series, but is a part of the greater universe that is Star Trek.

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They would do better to walk away from the brand for five to ten years, then come back and launch a series that takes place AFTER all this other stuff.

I'm kind of sick of "re-imaginings" and "prequels". Can we not jump another 50-100 years into the future of the Trek universe?

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I suggest we all boycott Star Trek shows till they come up with something good.

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<font color="blue"> R O T F L M A O !!! </font>


Man, wouldn't THAT cause <font color="red">AT</font> to have a serious stroke !!!

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boycotting TV shows doesn't work on the long term. Basically it tells the studios, "No one likes this stuff anymore, not even the fan base so why spend on any future development?"

In reality, the best way to make a tv show better is to actually get into the production studios or teams and make it better.

Take, for example, star trek's artists and designers. Most of them grew up as the dweeb in the side of the classroom (they coudn't get in the back because all the cool kids were there) doodling starships.

Besides, I always thought a neat series for trek to do would be a ship that followed enterprise around trying to fix all the civilizations Kirk messed up.

Sigma Iota anyone?