SPOB 11 - Soviet Union
 

I noticed the lack of captured German tanks in the Russian OBAT; the Soviets used a lot of captured German gear, they even issued instruction manuals on how to drive and operate Panzer IIIs, IVs, and StuGs, and kept their own stock of captured vehicle parts for the aforementioned tanks.

Panthers and Tigers on the other hand, when captured, were driven until they broke, then abandoned.

I've found the following Icons in WinSPWW2 which could be used for captured German equipment in Soviet service:

Icon 998 - Captured Pz Ia
Icon 1008 - Captured Pz IIA-C
Icon 1016 - Captured Pz IIIC-D
Icon 1241 - Captured Panzer IIIJ
Icon 1047 - Captured Pz 38(t)
Icon 1117 - Captured StuG IIIe
Icon 1121 - Captured StuG IIIf
Icon 1127 - Captured StuG IIIG With Skirts
Icon 1211 - Captured Pz IIIM with Skirts
Icon 1247 - Captured Pz IV L24
Icon 1255 - Captured Pz IV L43/L48
Icon 1272 - Captured Pz IV L48 With Skirts
Icon 1233 - Captured Panther
Icon 4568 - Captured Hetzer
Icon 735 - Captured Tiger

I suggest that captured Panthers and Tigers be given an absurdly high cost to represent their scarcity and the fact that they were driven until they broke down.

Re: SPOB 11 - Soviet Union
 

what dates do you suggest? Suppose you'd agree since you posted it here publicly, but anyway it's better to ask: may I use this in my OOB mod?

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In the early months of Barbarossa, the Soviets weren't in any position to hold onto the battlefield to recover such things like abandoned tanks, or tanks with minor damage.

By August 1941, the front lines had stabilized long enough and the Soviets had launched a few successful counterattacks, etc.

I'd say that from September 1941 to March 1943, captured tanks can only be bought singly, and for a very high cost; to represent individual tanks being captured, and turned against their users at the battlefield.

From March 1943, captured German equipment becomes cheap and commonplace; and you can buy platoons; because by this point, the Soviets have captured hundreds of Panzer IIIs and other vehicles in the encirclement at Stalingrad, and have had time to repair them.

From that point on, the Soviets would almost always be in command of the battlefield from Kursk onwards, so German equipment is available in quantity.

Re: SPOB 11 - Soviet Union
 

Suppose you'd agree since you posted it here publicly, but anyway it's better to ask: may I use this in my OOB mod?

Knock yourself out

Re: SPOB 11 - Soviet Union
 

Rusian use his own desgnation for captured tanks that all is for read on this page http://wio.ru/tank/capt/capt.htm

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Hey, that's a nice page; thanks Blaze!

Summarized for those of you paying attention:

T-1 = Panzer I
T-2 = Panzer II
T-3 = Panzer III
T-4 = Panzer IV
T-5 = Panther
T-6 = Tiger

SU-88 = Nashorn
SU-75 = StuG III
SU-105 = Wespe
SU-150 = Hummel

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T-38 for Hatzer
T-6 Tigr (Rusian word write in latin font)
T-5 Pantera (Rusian word write in latin font)

I don't know where I can find another rusian designations for german vehicles?
For example captured german armoured halftrack?

I read about many polish 7.92 Kb Ur AT-Rifles what rusians captured in poland in 1939 and than use during critical days in Moskva defense

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Captured Tiger Icon in Green. Based upon SPCAMO icons.

Re: SPOB 11 - Soviet Union
 

FYI.....There's already a "green" tiger in the Icon files ----735

Don

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Doh! [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Cold.gif[/img]

Ah well nothing lost nothing gained.

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Won't T-38 be rather PzKpfw-38(t)? Eh, stupid idea, sorry, most likely not for confusion with T-38 amphibious tank... In time Hetzers got into Russian hands there weren't any T-38's left, though, so there was nothing in the way of using that name...

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You has right so you find a bug in my book about Polish People Army LWP here was a part about captured vehicles used by this units some captured from germans some take from rusian field repair plants. See LWP OOB units 050 to 055 in this OOB the labes are taken from this book . Stug should be replaced to SU-75 (is T3 meaby because stug is on PZIII chasis) PZkw IV to T4J (meaby rusian use alfabetical numeration). Hatzer is bug was T-38 meaby because was on Pzkw38t chasis what should be here i don't know. Stayer RSO and and both Sdkfz designations are unknow in book was only german.

I have idea meaby SU-38 designation was use for Hatzer that was self propered gun but that is only my idea no historical suorces

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20mm AT rifle RYeS rusian name "20 mm protiwotankowoje rużie [sistiemy] RJeS" was made in 70 numbers only 28 in year 1942 and 43 in 1943 http://www.odkrywca.pl/forum_pics/picsforum16/pec.jpg

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Now the best page in net about captured german equipment in Rusian hands http://rkkaww2.armchairgeneral.com/g...m#axiscaptured

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There will be captured tank formations in the Russian OOB in the next upgrade

Don

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FYI

Quote:
"Captured Panthers proved to be extremely popular vehicles among Soviet troops, who received them as rewards for extraordinary achievements in combat, and who sought to keep them in service as long as possible, contrary to regulations that captured Tigers and Panthers should not be repaired but abandoned and destroyed after mechanical failure. Even the humorous instruction manual for German Panther crews, called the Pantherfibel (Panther Primer), was translated into Russian and provided to crews of captured Panthers."

http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Panther_tank

Don

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And now you can see how rusians call captured german equipment

http://www.tankmuseum.ru/p6.html

Please see the table on dawn this page and all is clear