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Upgrading durring production?Did I miss a chapter?

OK, I'm a new player--have skimmed the FAQ's 4-5 times and read them through 2 times, searched this site (maybe I'm searching the wrong words...) but when I was reading the suggested SE4 Dubious Strategy guide my eye caught on this 'post':

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evan42
Private First Class
posted 31 December 2000 11:32
The very first thing I build will always be a bare-bone ship yard base. It's take 2 turns to complete.
Then I will build 1 colonizer on HW [Ed: = Home World], and it takes 2 turns. And on the space yard, 1 scout ARMED with missiles. That will take 4 turns. Sure, It'll have shorter range, but I can use it to get rid of some AI [Ed: = Artifical Intelligence = computer opponents] start-up colonies. (Not as useful if played in a large map with fewer AIs.)
Also, before the completion of the scout, I would concentrate research in missiles and ship hulls. <font color="blue"> Since the scout can be "upgraded" during the production,</font> so I will try to put at least 2 L2 missiles on a frigate, maybe L3 depends on the game setting.
Then 2 turns later, the colony ship built on HW will go colonize any colonizable planets in the home system. (If none, I would use it as a scout.) And the HW will then build a transport. The scout will take another 2 turns to be built on the space yard. The idea for the transport is to move some population off the HW ASAP [Ed: = As Soon As Possible], so more can be grown. Ideally, if another breathable planet is found in the home system, I will move 1000M pop to the new planet, that will give the new planet a 20% production bonus.
Anyway, 2 turns later, both the armed scout and transport will be built. The scout will go do some "scouting". And the transport will go do some "transporting".
Then if there are more than one colonizable planets found in the home system, I would build more colony ships, but usually I would use the HW to build another scout (2 turns) to head for the other warp point. And the space yard will repeat building colony ships.
Depends on the number of warp points present in the home and nearby systems, a third scout might be built. Otherwise, I will repeat build colony ships also on the HW.
When running out of planets to colonize or bumping into hostile aliens, I would start building a couple larger armed ships. But, since the scouts themselves are armed, they might be enough early on.
Because of the shorter range for the armed scouts, they can only explore 2-3 systems before turning back. So when colonizing other systems, the 1st structure to be built will always be a resupply depot. I don't consider having a shorter range as a serious disadvantage, because you normally don't want to colonize planets too far away from you anyway. Those armed scouts will also
ensure you have more empty systems to colonize later by taking out AI's start-ups.
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I have highlighted the part I would like clarified. Am I reading this incorrectly or can ship designs be changed mid-construction? Since he put 'upgraded' in quotes I think there may be some kind of way to do it, but I don't know it--does anyone else? This post is ancient (2000 I think) so it may relate to a diffrent version, but if it is possible I don't want to 'not know' how to.
IF it IS possible (/hopes so!) it should be in the FAQ-but doesn't seem to be (so I doubt it was missed).

All imput will be welcomed--thanks in advance!

PS - what do you think of my avatar? 8) made you look close didn't I?? lol.

Edit SilverRat- spacing in title removed 'T' in chapter.

Re: Upgrading durring production? Did I miss a cha

I think that must be a mistake in the FAQ - in SE4, you cannot upgrade ships under construction. You can, however, upgrade facilities under construction (sadly you can only do so for all facilities in your empire at once, using the upgrade all button; you cannot selectively upgrade facilities under construction AFAIK), and you can also retrofit ships that have already been built...

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SilverRat said: <font color="blue"> Since the scout can be "upgraded" during the production,</font> so I will try to put at least 2 L2 missiles on a frigate, maybe L3 depends on the game setting.

I don't think it has ever been possible to edit a design while it is in a build queue. The best you can do is retrofit to a new design immediately when the old design is built.

You definitely cannot upgrade the hull on an already built ship. So this entry is partly badly worded and partly wrong.

Re: Upgrading durring production? Did I miss a chaper?

Ed Kolis - it isn't a FAQ mistake - it was in the suggested reading for new members list: The SE4 Dubious Strategy download.
I kind of figured it was too good to be true, but I wanted to make sure, in case it was possible.

Thanks for the input.

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I'd like to modify Ed's statement just a little. While you cannot selectively upgrade facilities, you can hit the upgrade button, then go through the individual queues and remove the upgrades you don't want to follow through with. Yes, it can be tedious, but I've done it under circumstances where the budget was tight.

Re: Upgrading durring production? Did I miss a cha

Long ago, you used to be able to edit ship designs while they were in build queues IF the design was still a prototype (no full ships completed yet). This was patched out in one of the SE4 Classic patches, presumably after the Dubious Strategy Guide was completed.

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You can upgrade facilities on a planet in small batches if you want.

To do this, you must first save the upgrades as saved queues. Upgrade facilities at planets with 1, 2, 3 or more facilites and save each as a saved queue. Then you can upgrade 1, 2, 3, or more facilities at a time on planets with large numbers of facilities by using the saved queues.

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What's the procedure for saving (and using) those queues?

Re: Upgrading durring production? Did I miss a cha

To save construction queue:
1) Open the "Set Construction Queue" window by clicking the Build Queue button (or key Q).
2) Click the "Upgrade" button and add the desired upgrades to the queue.
3) Click the "Fill Queue" button and then "Add Type".
4) Type in a name and click "OK".

To use a previously saved queue:
1) Open the "Set Construction Queue" window by clicking the Build Queue button (or key Q).
2) Click the "Fill Queue" button and then click on the name of a previously saved queue.

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Imperator Fyron said:
Long ago, you used to be able to edit ship designs while they were in build queues IF the design was still a prototype (no full ships completed yet). This was patched out in one of the SE4 Classic patches, presumably after the Dubious Strategy Guide was completed.

Really?! Why was that patched out? I would absolutely LOVE to be able to do that!

Re: Upgrading durring production? Did I miss a cha

Yes, I wondered about the 'Prototype' classification shown on the design new ship screen, it is a shame that it has been patched out - it would be a great thing to be able to do.

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It was exploitative; you could build ships with technology you do not have at the beginning of the consturction cycle just by editing the design after the new item is researched and before the ship is completed. To do that legitimately, you have to expend more resources on maintenance and retrofit costs after the ship with old tech is built. When you could edit unbuilt designs in queues, this legitimate mechanism was subverted.

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Hmm..I suppose I can understand that. Still a bit of a shame though.