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All in all I have to say that I am really dissappointed by where BSG has gone especially after seeing the premier for season 3.

It seems to me that the series once again has changed channels so to speak, yup they did it too us again, as the old plot was scrapped for the new plot. It really just takes you out of the moment that you spent a year and a half getting into.

It is like they said.. "well this story line is limited, lets remake the show." And that is what they did. Now its BSG Iraq and that just irks me to no end.

Too many things went down without any explamination or back story. Lee got fat, Kira has a kid albeit in a somewhat 'oh ya by the way' kind of a way, Tie's lost and eye, and the former president is alledgely executed. Sure the shorts on scifi.com fill in one or two small blanks, but not near enough to make watching them worth while.

Now Sharon is a good cyclon back in with the fleet and on Adamas friends list... the show just took a 90 degree turn into way the hell out their territory and I find it hard too follow. Hell I found myself wanting to turn the show off and watch something else... That never happened before.

While no one really knows where their going with the show, and frankly I don't think they even know at this point with all the times that they have "re-invented the show."

I will keep on watching but at this point I am rapidly loosing interest in what I thought was one of the best sci-fi series to come along in a very long time. The first 15 episodes of Season 2 account for nothing now. The show just seems lost and a drift to the whim of the writers and their "hey this seems cool" story of the week cafeenated highs.

I hope I am proven wrong and the show picks up, but to be honest, there are some huge *** plot holes that need to be filled in before I can ever get behind this show 100% again.

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I just like how violent it's getting! Suicide bombs, stabbing dudes in the throat and killing b3bies? Rockin'.

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Huh, well I have a friend who gives me copies of the episodes so I'll see it soon, but I would probably keep watching it. I don't really care about that sort of stuff, for example I could say I've watched the Star Wars movies 500 times but it would be more exact to say i've watched the space battles 500 times. As long as BSG is Sci-fi with spaceships and stuff I'll keep watching. Now Lost, I watched every episode of the first season and started to watch the second but got as far as the introduction of some latina woman I hated from the moment she turned up. For the sake of my old love of it I kept watching, then she shot one of the main characters and I thought "yes, well maybe I'll skip it till she's dead" (having heard she was a diva and would soon get the boot). Now she's dead from what I hear but I've lost interest. I have no plans to even bother watching now, though I've sort of kept up on what was happening from reviews.

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Up here in Canada, we get BSG season 3 starting tomorrow. As such, I don't have an opinion on it yet http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

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I have to disagree with you. This show rocks. Hey it's not Star Trek with happy endings and I'm glad it's not. Besides how many times have we seen that model. I'm glad the show is relevent to the times. I'll keep this on Tivo. This is the best SciFI show out there.

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Lost looks to be better this season than last.

***** BSG SPOILERS *****

Battlestar Galactica... not so thrilling so far. The Galactica is nothing more than a 'comma'... it isn't the best ship in the fleet, and the show isn't even about the fleet.

The stuff on the planet doesn't even make sense... the humans with all their political and social experience can't deal with the cylons, and the cylons for some fool reason need to occupy the planet instead of managing the zoo from orbit. Both the cylons and the humans fail to realize that with under 50k humans left, they'd need to be treated as an endangered species... yet both groups don't seem to put much value in people's lives.

I found it hard to sit through for two hours.

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Battlestar Galactica is becomming even more of a soap opera. Perhaps the creators are trying to appeal to a wider audience...women.

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I didn't compare it too star trek or any other show. To me the show seems to change its story lines as if the creator and writers don't really know where to take the show. "Hey this is cool, lets do this for a while." Just doesn't seem like something that interests me over time. They were cutting edge in season two then in the last few episodes they just went down hill fast. I am not alone in that POV, as many fans voiced dissappointment in the ending episodes of Season 2.

From what I have read most fans are as I am, perplexed as to what in the hell is going on. If they were going to do an Iraq war peace, they should have developed it more rather than jumping into it by just saying "one year later."

We lost a year. To me that means we no longer are watching BSG, but rather a spin off of BSG.

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It has been way to much of a soap opera from the start. I cannot watch the show without geting the urge to throw up. The story is so scattered and the characters so bad the way the act is completely not how anyone would act in the situations they are in. Jesus alot of the characters are supposed to be highly trained military personal but they act like 5 year old in their interaction with each other. I have to say that the original even with all of its flaws is still far better than the new BSG. It is almost as bad as the made for tv scifi/horor movies they keep insisting to make. Arrg only reason to goto the scifi is for Stargate and sometimes Eureka.

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I agree with every thing that Combat Wombat just stated.

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Yeah... the original BSG was a larger than life heroic fantasy, while the new BSG not only seems mired in dysfunctionality, it goes as far as wallowing in that dysfunctionality as that is the only thing that drives the plot.

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BRAVO!

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I agree with <font color="red">AT</font> - the new season starts off with a total bust !!!

Lee has no backbone, but plenty of middle. Adama has become a hippie who suudenly decides to get a backbone. Baltar's still the biggest waste of humanity ever, and the "Resistance" pretty much consists of a lot of talk and a few grief-stricken suicide bombers they take credit for.

And Kara is a joke. One minute she's tough as nails, the next she's holding hands with a Cylon who took her ovary in the first place. There's a ton of holes that just make no sense, and don't seem to be worth the writers or anybody else's efforts to fix.

I really thought they were heaeded somewhere cutting edge with this series, but now it's just Bagdad vs. the Bots.

The one and only clever piece in all of this was that the Organic Cylons limited the programming of the mechanical Cylons, to prevent them from becoming self-aware and realizing what a crap situation they had, yet again.

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looks to me like one them has.

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Anyone know of torrent link or something ?

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Found some magnet links:

These two are correct:

3x01 - Occupation
3x02 - Precipice

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Have you tested those ? I downloaded S03E01 today and it turned out to be hentai .p

BSG Episodes List
 

You pays your nickle, you takes your chances.

Edit Added season three

1x00 - Pilot
1x01 - 33 Minutes
1x02 - Water
1x03 - Bastille Day
1x04 - Act Of Contrition
1x05 - You Can't Go Home Again
1x06 - Litmus
1x07 - Six Degrees Of Freedom
1x08 - Flesh And Bone
1x09 - Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down
1x10 - Hand Of God
1x11 - Colonial Day
1x12 - Kobol's Last Gleaming (part 1)
1x13 - Kobol's Last Gleaming (part 2)

2x01 - Scattered
2x02 - Valley Of Darkness
2x03 - Fragged
2x04 - Resistance
2x05 - The Farm
2x06 - Home (part 1)
2x07 - Home (part 2)
2x08 - Final Cut
2x09 - Flight Of The Phoenix
2x10 - Pegasus
2x11 - Resurrection Ship (part 1)
2x12 - Resurrection Ship (part 2)
2x13 - Epiphanies
2x14 - Black Market
2x15 - Scar
2x16 - Sacrifice
2x17 - The Captain's Hand
2x18 - Downloaded
2x19 - Lay Down Your Burdens (part 1)
2x20 - Lay Down Your Burdens (part 2)

3x01 - Occupation
3x02 - Precipice
3x03 - Exodus (part 1)
3x04 - Exodus (part 2)
3x05 - Collaborators
3x06 - Torn
3x07 - A Measure Of Salvation

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I already have all of those. Just was pissed b/c of the episode which turned out to be hentai :p

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The show creators are mirroring things in our world, which is what sci-fi is supposed to do, comment and spin things in a different way than we've seen before. Suddenly the "good guys" are suicide bombers? It is supposed to turn things around. The producers have stated in the past that their target audience is more Lost/NipTuck/The Shield than Stargate/Atlantis/Star Trek.

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Actually that is a good point... IF one of more of the tin cans is siding with the oppressed humans against the organic cylons (re: the unseen ending of the premiere, foreshadowed by the 'self aware' dialog AND the tin can turning to look at the conflicted-suffering human cop outside the cylon building) THEN something interesting might be developing.

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On balance I still like the show. It's much better then most other junk on TV. The current plot arc does seem a bit clunky, but they seem to be rushing through it awfully fast. Skipping big chunks of time, as was mentioned in other posts. I'd be suprised if we aren't all back on the ships and on the way back to earth after a couple more episodes.

My one big gripe from the premiere...

******SPOLIER ALERT*******



... is how they make it look at the end of the episode how Rosalin is killed in the masacre, but then moments later sci-fi channel shows previews for next week where Rosalin is talking and is decidedly not dead. Hello, does anyone in marketing actually watch the show? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I like the bit about Starbuck though. They are really screwing with her mind badly. It's going to be interesting to see the crap she goes though to get back to the Cylon-butt kicking warrior we know and love. Facinating character development.

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Some of it was well done; like Kira expressing a violent lunatic.
And that part where Leoben said "Either way, you'll be spending the night with me." That totally rocked!

Liked their portrayal of how, ultimately, the guy at the top is just one guy.

Hated how they hastily contrived some violent oppression out of the Cylons, who in the last episode were coming with Love--their god. Way too much stinky plot device, just to portray Iraq, instead of Cylons.

P.S.: Sex and Violence! Not just violence. Not just sex.

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I think that the Mechanicals are turning against the Organics.

I think that the Mechanicals that appear to execute the Humans actually will shoot the Organics.

I think that Kira is also playing an elaborate game of deception to gain the Organics' trust in order to be let outside to accomplish some thing.

I think that, ultimately, the Organic siding with the humans(forgot her name) will still be a Cylon that turns on the Humans again.

I agree with geoschmo in that Rosalin should not of been portrayed in the preview of next weeks episode. That must be an unintentional and ridiculous spoiler.

-Wade

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LOL, proud to say I have never watched the new show at all.

I still think of Lorne Green when I hear BSG http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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I began watching BSG with a very sceptical eye, having come to the conclusion years ago that Sci-fi was no longer a viable form of literature but merely popcorn. I was a hesitant watcher, but from the first moment, I had beenmesmerized. BSG is GREAT TV. It makes one think, question, look around, and it sticks with you far after the show is over. It makes you wonder about all the important things and obsess about the unimportant and everything in between. It is stunning TV. And I hate TV.

Now, having just seen the first episode of the third season, I can honestly say that, in my 38 years of existence, it is the best sci-fi I have ever seen.

I mean, if you want good v evil, robots v humans, black v white, then go watch star wars or star trek or something like that. But BSG is about humans, in all our foibles and bs dealing with trauma and death and life and all that entails...and it does it all in a futuristic environment.

It is perfect. I can't off the top of my head think of a way to make it better.

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I'm sorry, I've only just now seen the episode, and only just once, but I don't recall seeing roslin in the graduation ceremony at all. There was a group of humanoid-cylons, and all the graduates, but neither Baltar nor Roslin were there....or did I miss something entirely? I mean, Roslin is back at the school in the scene just prior wasn't she...?

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And, any show that can make people, today, now, in our world, hope for a suicide bomber to complete his mission, come on, that's some GOOD writing.

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I still think of Lorne Green in Bonanza. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Space Cowboy?

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Weekly 30 minute interludes of Boomers bathing each other? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

"I don't know, I can imagine quite a bit!" - Han Solo

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Have all the women naked? In a non sexist way, of course.

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After the end of the show there was a "this season on Battlestar Galactica" montage of events from the upcoming episodes. It wasn't a teaser for next week, per se, just for the show for the next few weeks.

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God, no. That would awful, contrived rubbish.

Anyway, the modern cylon centurions, unlike the first cylons which were made by the colonials, are not sentient. Thus, they cannot rebel. That was the point of Adamas line. This'd be like the US military drones rebelling.

The "look" the cylon gave Duck outside the police building was waving him in. He wasn't "conflicted", he was about to blow himself up in a room full of 200 people. If we're thinking of the same incident, that is.

I think that's exactly how people would act in that situation. Coped up in ships not designed for long term habitation... constantly on the run... constant danger of death, no hope of any respite... it's bound to bring out the worst in people.

Who said anything about highly trained? :p The Galatica was an old ship, about to be decommissioned and it's pretty clear from the mini-series and from the earlier parts of season one that these are definately not "highly trained" military people, and that discipline had gone to pot etc etc.

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The sentient dialog was from the organic cylons stating that they made the tin cans unable to distinguish the organic cylons apart... to discourage sentience or something. That would leave the door open for the tin cans being able to distinguish the humans apart, which could in turn result in the problem the organic cylons were trying to avoid.

I'd have to rewatch the 'look' but the cylon's action seemed peculiar to me when it happened... looked more like one of the darth vader looks before he killed the emperor, than a 'you just got caught you guilty human' look.

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I hope they can pull the show out of the pit its in and make something memerable happen. Otherwise I cannot see the show continueing past this season. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif Damn shame too, as most of season two was just fricking great sci-fi.

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Doubt that. Almost all the reaction I've seen to the new season has been overwhelmingly postively. This is the only forum I've seen where the reaction has been mostly negative.

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Well from a strictly turn based strategy point of view, the humans aren't managing their game very well. Heck, just one colony with no space yards nor research facilities... no wonder the AI is kicking their butts. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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They were never that hot in the first place. Only 12 colonies? Rubbish!

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And morale seems to be a problem too -- unrest and rioting on the newly conquered New Caprica. Recruiting more troops didn't seem to improve colony happiness and/or obedience.

Looks like they may be headed for revolution.

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Somehow missed this:

Um, maybe you're right about that. Ron Moore says in the podcast for the episode where the cylons board galatica that they're not sentient, that they're basically little more than better ammunition.

The transcript is on the battlestar wiki, but that's down at the moment.

I'm not really sure how either a centurion or darth vader could give anyone a "look" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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Before I answer, was the season premier in your location a two hour episode, or just one hour? If it was only one hour then don't read the rest of this...

MORE SPOILERS




I wasn't talking about the police academy bombing. At the end of the second hour the Cylons decide to get tougher and cart off a bunch of humans to the outside of town and line them up apparently for a mass execution. The show ends without actually showing the people getting blown away, but you hear the gunfire and the inference is obvious that Roslin, Zarek and a bunch of others are done for.

My own guess is that the human police recruits have a last second crisis of concience and decide to fight it out, and that's the gunfire we hear. But we won't really know until next week. But the previews make it clear at least that Roslin lives.

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Oh, I wouldn't say this forum is mostly negative. That's just how AT is. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif You got to love him, but I can't recall off the top of my head hearing him express an positive opinion about much that has hit the airwaves in the last couple decades. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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If being honest about what you think is being negative, well then I guess I am negative. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif I like the show, however I just don't like the sudden shift that the series took and the lack luster way in which they transitioned from the old story line to the new one. I felt that could have been done a hell of a lot better than the rushed haphazard way it was done.

Most of what I have read on other forums supports my POV. While people like the show, there is a strong sense of confusion about the direction the plot has taken. BSG is fundamentally about human survival in the face of horrifying odds. To that end they have an auidance that will watch. But BSG is more than survival, its about the hope of humanity and the exploration of survival. Remember life here began out there, and it was those words that defined the journey for which BSG embarked upon. I hope, I sincerely do, that the producers of BSG haven't forgotten that. They have 18 more episodes to take the show where its going. I, for good or bad, hope to be along for the ride. I am sorry if that is a negative view, but its an honest one.

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They are on a quest to find Earth. The sooner they get back to that quest, the better the show should become.

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I think you have to let the story line develop - you can't blow your load in the first 10 minutes ! You see the benelovent cylons become the enslaving monsters they are , the growth of the next step in cylon evelution in Sharron the laskity of the military even before they were attacked by the cylons , the vicious side of Tigh , all new stuff . let it work

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I think they need to introduce more flying motorcycles into the current series - and perhaps kids with extraordinary strengths and abilities.

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Congrats on scoring the quote of the week, MasterChiToes.

This harkens back to my wife reading a comment on the Veronica Mars show where a character came out of a coma and the reader stated their first thought was "She's a Cylon."

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I think that the Mechanicals that appear to execute the Humans actually will shoot the Organics.

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Spoilers

I don't think it was "rushed" per say, just summarized. I think it would have been boring to watch the stuff between the elextion and explosion to the "present". If they didn't do this story line shift now, A: Baltar would still be a "good guy" to the fleet. He's a villan, he needs to be put in a scenario where he can eff up soooo bad in in such public that he will be an even biger pariah then in the first series. He'll become the collaborator who everyone openly hates who made a genuine "Folly", a 40 years in the desert interuption on their quest for earth so to speak and gives the series more to do then just hop from planet to planet encountering viking rebels and cylon base of the week. Remember, the closer they actually get to earth, the more the origanal sucked, the fewer options the writers then had, I say let them take this time to tell some interesting war stories.

B: They could just keep wandering in space finding sub colonies of the original 12 who were viking helmets or playing that pyrimid game for grain seed and finding all white demi god aliens in space and such, finding artifacts that lead them along to earth, but thats what got boring and stupid about the original, and voyager for that matter, it's like Gilligan's Island in space you can only pull so much cheesey "sci-fi" gimmicky crap and "villan of the day/week/season" before it gets old. You need to keep the characters evolving(even if they shift from good to evil and back again) and the story fresh and interesting.

C: In this situation, totally dominated by the cylons, the human simpathizing models getting capped for expressing their beliefs, humans turning on humans putting their hope in the lies of the machines, this sets up a really dark, dour pitch black night which actually challenges the viewing audience to find hope where you can get it, to hang in there wit these characters instead of just handing you the happy ending like a post masage BJ. Good boomer is on the planet, cally got away from the death squad, adamma is comming to the rescue, lee is taking the fleet to search for earth, baltar is falling apart, and we are rooting for the resistance terrorist cell. It's like lima beans, it's good, but not easy to like.

The only thing I can't really get my head around is what the cylons are up to. It seems that the preacher models did a 180 from their last conversation in the brig, now advocating the annihilation where they once admitted the mistake. Why chase the Humans to the planet, occupy it and do what they are doing, even if it was the "good" #6's and boomers idea to go there to try and reintegrate somehow you'd think they would have had a better plan then occupation. I think it must be some sort of descision by whatever the commanding cylon is, a compromise between going there to annihillate them and the reintegration. We need to see more of them then just bullying Baltar.

Edit: also I'm notn sure I see all these plotholes people are discussing, Kara has been separated from her lover, subjected to some sort of forced corting by a man she's murdered 6 times, and now they reveal a halfie child, she's getting stolkholmes, even the toughest nut can crack under pressure like that. Boomer has always had a soft spot for the humans, why wouldn't "good" boomer be able to patch things up with adama in the space of a year(remember the cylons stopped pursuing for that time, this ability to forgive and forget shows adama's character's strength). Lee is command staff now instead of a fighter pilot, he doesn't need to be in peak physical condition, and they basically said point blank, he, and the fleet, got soft. Holes covered.

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Ah hah! I only got a one hour show. I'll look for the next hour. And yes, I didn't read your spoilers. yay!