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I had a complete list of Wishes but I lost it. Anyone still got one?

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From dom2 at sunray's virtual library


link:
sunray

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Tnx http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif. That was the list I've lost and forgot where I got it from.

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It may be possible Dominions_3 added more wishes... and more wishes may be added within a patch too.

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Do you know what those are?

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In Dom 2 you were able to wish for a certain type of gem as well, in which case you would get a large number of that type of gem (maybe 250) Which I thought was pure cheating. You could wish for astral gems and you end up with 150 more then what you used for the wish spell.

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Hardly cheating when you need to research the spell and have someone able to cast it.

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It is cheating. Once you get the wish spell you are essentially invincible. You can alternate between wishing for astral gems, and gold. Then you get a huge army in no time. It is way overpowered compared to the other 9th level spells.But get rid of the wishes ability to wish for astral gems, and then everything evens out.

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Cheating? The spell may or may not be overpowered, but it is not "cheating". Having a large income of pearls and gold (at the cost of tying up one mage's time) does not make anyone invincible.

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Wish DOES NOT give you more than 100 pearls! And EVEN THOSE have to be alchemized! It might've been different on DomII.

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If you think wish gives people too many gems then try casting arcane nexus on a map with 10+ other players.

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I'd like to see wishes at level 15, with spells of level 10-14 in between http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I think it would be nice if even the most magically gifted pretender had something worthwile to strive for, not just in terms of magical skill, but raw magical power as well. I know that the game is set up so that you can empower up to level 15, but spells only go up to level 9, and with 15 levels, some of the current spells would ofcourse have to be pushed back to retain balance and flavor. If there were a comprehensive, and balanced, magic system that went up to level 15, then I would suggest that there be a way for empowerment to grant abilities in-game, not just in pretender creation, and I'd like to see a larger variety of special abilities, and possibly even a larger variety of magical paths. Right now, it seems that Dominions is just a bit hung up on old dungeons & dragons standards, and it couldn't hurt at all to move a bit further beyond that admittedly comprehensive, but decidedly limited, game, in terms of scope. Getting back to the wish-theme, and still giving the nod to D&D out of respect to the game that started me on this twisted road, perhaps limited wish could come at level 9 and wish at level 15? Limited wish could perhaps allow you to wish for forged items, but not artifacts, to produce 75 gems of whichever type for the price of 100 astral pearls, and to reproduce any spell of level 6 or below, etc. It could grant you maybe 1500 gold. It wouldn't allow you to wish for bloodslaves and could only grant you +1 in a single magical path. Limited wish could cause the caster to become lost in time and space for a year. An unlimited wish could allow everything the current wish does, maybe even more, but casting it would age your caster 100 years and/or cause him/her to become lost in time and space for 5 years, and/or get sent to one of the Hells, and/or recieve a particularly nasty curse/disease/affliction/horror-mark, etc etc etc, at the discretion of the fates. If you tried casting it more than three times, the mage who cast it would permanently be destroyed, even if immortal, every mage with astral magic in your nation would recieve a horror-mark, and your pretender would turn into a sphinx and lose all magic levels.

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Currently, Wish can't duplicate spells of level 6 or less. What was this you said about Dominions being a bit hung on old D&D standards? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif



EDIT: "being a bit hun on" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif I'm going to use that.

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Quite a few of the ideas in Dom were taken from D&D. The creators seem to be well aware of the fact, and it's certainly not a bad thing, except when conventions, such as 9 levels of spells, and quite a bit of the way the magic system is structured, for that matter, get in the way of Dom's uniqueness. I love this game, but I love it from the perspective of mythology, not so much conventional roleplaying, especially Dungeons & Dragons, which has the same appeal for me as Captain Morgan's spiced rum-I used to love it, but I got very sick on it, and now I don't drink much these days, and when I do it's wine or tequila. Right now, Dom 3 is coming from D&D. It's better, a lot better, but that's the path it took. If you want a good magic system, try Ars Magica. I'd like to see Dominions evolve in that direction, while retaining as much as possible from real-world myths and original thinking, like H.P. Lovecraft, Clive Barker, Fritz Lieber, Michael Moorcock, and Robert Jordan (even though he killed Conan), roleplaying games like Talislanta, The Empire of the Petal Throne, and Legend of the Five Rings. Also, I'd like to mention the much, and sadly, ignored D&D Dark Sun, Spelljammer, and Ravenloft settings. Nothing wrong with a little rum now and then, in the right recipe, for flavor.

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Personnally I consider wish balanced as national mages can't cast it without many empowerements. Wish is 1 spell/turn that only a specially designed pretender will cast in most cases. For the same number of gems and research level, 6 mages a nation like Machaka can have without any empowerement can cast Volcanic Eruption on the richest provinces of their ennemies, killing about 60k pop a turn, (or the same number of just a little equiped death mage can cast Black death for an even bigger effect), 4 mages with some equipment any astral nation can have can attack any province on the map with their troops via astral travel, 3 immortal demi-lich or 60+ wights can be summoned by a death nation, 5 siege golem by an earth nation (500 siege bonus !), etc... And all these spells are usable even if the pretender is dead or had lost magic levels. There is an excellent counter for wishes, killing/feebleminding the only guy able to cast.

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I wrote a nice message yesterday, but I had some technical problems and it has vanished.

In short: I think Dominions magic system is inspired more by Ars Magica than D&D. In game logs (generated with command line parameter -ddd) magic gems are called Vis.

I think I first learned of Ars Magica via Illwinter.

Bogus & co are from Dying Earth IIRC, not D&D. I just noticed that D&D magic system and Dying Earth RPG are based on the same author (Jack Vance).

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Quite a few of you might already have noticed this. But in Dom3, wishing for "Doom Horror" still brings one, the difference is that your caster will be attacked by it.

Personally I usually wish for blood slaves, pretenders, artifacts or one of the Demon lords (if I lack any blood mages/research). This is singleplayer though, since I have yet to use Wish in a MP competitive game.

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Sometimes they won't attack, but even then they only stay for a few battles. Or just vanish on their own. Most follow your orders.

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Ah, Ars Magica, I really liked that one... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

CharonJr

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Just as any of the other lists, since Dominions doesnt encrypt its text its rather easy to find this info and copy it out of the game. But I dont think I want to provide a complete wish list.

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Try 'Slave to Unreason'.

/BOFH

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Jack Vance is awesome. He influenced D&D quite a bit, along with Fritz Lieber. I'm not saying that Dom isn't more than just D&D, I'm saying that it should continue to expand and evolve, and the magic system is a good area for that.

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I can agree with that. One change I'd like to see would be Holy magic in rituals. There are no Holy gems, but it CAN be used as a secondary path requirement - many national summons could use that combination.

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I'd like to see some holy rituals that would use up your dominion. Maybe instead, they could do something like a preach effect in a remote province at a reduced effect.

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There were holy gems at one time but they never got put fully into the game.

But I can see the holy+magic thing. There would be a definate difference between earth magic and holy earth magic. Or fire and holy fire magic. Definately it sparks the imagination to consider holy death or holy blood spells. It wouldnt be hard to add to the game and it would give Kristoffer a whole big new area to think about. (hmmm maybe we should wait until the new nations are in)