Applying a new mod to an existing game?
 

Anyone know if there's a way to apply a mod to a game already in progress? When I started the game I had no mods applied and thus can't just append the content of the mod into an existing .dm file so that's out.

Anyone know any way to apply a mod to a existing game that was started without any mods? If anyone has any ideas it would be much appreciated.


Resok

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No !

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The mods that are in use for a game are decided by the host when the game is created. I understand the desire but if it was any other way we would have a BIG cheating hole.

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Which means that the hunter of heroes bug will simply destroy MP games until it's fixed.

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Not abit. I dont see where some opinion bug has anything to do with this. Maybe you should post that to some other thread?

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I haven't seen a single HoH eating yet. I've played just a couple of games, blitzes started from the #dominions irc.

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I have ...

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I lost a Paladin commander with the heroic ability of extra hitpoints to the horror. And I did verify this paladin did not have any horror marks at the start of the battle.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

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I lost some heroes to the eater of heroes but nothing that I would consider to be a "bug". But I didnt see where it applied to the original subject. If the person was trying to install a patch to change THAT in midgame (which wasnt mentioned) then its true that the answer locks THAT game until a patch fixes it. But it doesnt mean that it destroys all MP games since a new game can be started using a mod.

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And besides, I didn't notice it in the blitzes I played. So it doesn't ruin all blitzes either. One of them was with the HoH nerf mod enabled, yes, but even in that one I didn't notice any attacks.

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Opinion bug?? Not sure what the hades you're talking about here Gandalf. Perhaps you haven't read about what the bug does? Something that kills anyone who makes it into the Hall of Fame is more than an "opinion bug" - the devs have said it was a bug, sadly said, "Most amusing bug ever", and have left it unfixed.

Now, most people create pretenders and strategies that might get heroes or pretender _into_ the HoF. And currently, those commanders _die_, due to a bloody bug. Certainly a lot of players would be tempted to quit / go AI when their pretender gets killed, or all their powerful mages get killed, right off the bat, to a "opinion bug".

And since you can't apply a mod once a game was started without a mod, this bug is going to continue to have an elevated level of suckage.

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Perhaps Gandalf, as I, has yet to meet the Hunter of Heroes? Not all of us have suffered enough to consider this as game-breaking as you.

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Even before I finally met the HoH (thankfully in a SP test game) I could understand the consequences of the bug. Plus, Gandalf has stated that he plays mostly SP games, where increased randomness (such as having your best commanders assassinated by something like the HoH) is a good thing.

For the rest of us, getting a bug that randomly kills anyone we get into the HoF is rather more upsetting, _especially_ in MP games.

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No commander, pretender or mercenary in the hall of fame is safe. Without a mod to seriously nerf the hunter of heroes the early stages of a game make this bug more game_breaking.
Imagine losing your prophet or pretender on turn_5 because this bug caused the horror to appear and kill them. Imagine losing Hector and his heavy horsemen on turn_7 because this bug caused this nasty horror to kill Hector.

I guess some people have to personally experience the bug before understanding how serious the bug really can be during a game. Just a reminder that commanders even without a horror mark can be attacked.

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Copy/paste into an existing mod works very well.

So the thing to remember now is : ***the host should ALWAYS START A MP GAME WITH A MOD ENABLED***. In the future all players of all mp games should have a blank mod, and the host should use it at game creation, then hotfixes for bugs like this one won't be a problem, as well as game evolution (say things like playing with the latest edition of a cbmod) or scenarized games (we can even imagine a blank mod being used to play the 3 ages... or more in a game, modding all the nations each x turns into the next age version).

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Of course, that doesn't help games that were already started, nor does it help new players who get the game, patch it, and try to play a MP game with their friends. Typically, _after_ the HoF (or other bug) bites them, that's when they start searching the forums.

Actually, one of the mods ought to start a stickied thread with a title like "WARNING : DO NOT START AN MP GAME WITHOUT A MOD!!!"

Then at least newcomers would have a chance of finding out about this before learning the hard way.

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I have had the Hunter of Hero's eat my pretender in 2 MP games now, both times killed with a single blow. They were combat pretenders as well. It's definately spoiling my enjoyment of Dominions 3.

It MOST CERTAINLY IS A BUG and a very bad one. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

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But it's an "opinion bug" according to Gandalf, whatever that is. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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Actually it sounds like an SC balance to me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
Particularly SC pretenders in blitz games. It definetly made me park my Mictlan Lord of the Night early-game assassinate all of his commanders and his pretender strategy. It might be overdone and need abit of tweaking (such as not showing up until later in the game) but I wouldnt call it a bug.

But no matter what the opinions are on any of this, I can see where it might be a good idea to start all games with a MOD. Even if its just a placeholder empty mod since apparently that can be edited to make some changes mid-game?

On the other hand, if that is true then we must be even more careful to trust the host. Dom3 certainly added a lot of host-abuseable items that cant be seen by the players.

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That would be true if this horror didn't target everyone in the hall of fame... including weak little commanders like Frodo(Mercenary Commander).


" I can't do this Saaaaaaam. "

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Also totally unfair on starting combat pretenders like dragons, titans etc...

My dragon got killed within 2 yrs and my other pretender on turn 18. All they did was attack strength 5 indies and did not even have a single magic item. So well, hard at game start, neither were supercombatants.

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Yes anyone who uses their god to attack provinces. I didnt mean that it attacked only SCs, just that it was a fix against their use. (possibly)

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It's NOT a fix, the devs already said it was a bug. And besides that, that's the dumbest excuse for a 'fix' I've ever heard. It's almost totally random to begin with (people have reported their commanders dieing in the first few turns), which wonderful for a strategy game to begin with ... but then it goes so far as to punish people who are doing well? It's not intuitive on any level, it doesn't improve strategy or the depth of the game at all, and the community pretty much universally hates it.

If SCs were so broken that they needed a nerf like being randomly killed off, maybe they could add in more/better anti-SC strategies that players can use, instead of ... making the game more random. Heck, I thought Horror Mark spamming an SC was supposed to be one solution to SCs in the first place, which is an actual strategy.

Don't mean to sound hostile if I do, but I can't honestly understand defending this bug on any level. At best it's silly, at worse it's frustrating and game breaking.