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Some Old Age Tests
Because i had some bad expierences with old age in a mp game with growth 3 scale (see here) i decided to make some tests.
For the test i used a mod/special map to give me 100 Arco Philosophers and enough gems to cast burden of time. First Test with Burden of Time All Scales set to the weak site, death 3, misfurtune 3, etc. I cast 'Burden of Time' which makes each turn like 12 Turns relating the age. 1. Turn: 100 Philosophers 76 have 1 or more afflictions(!) 24 non afflicted 2. Turn: 67 Philosophers (33 died from disease) 61 have 1 or more afflictions 6 non afflicted 3. Turn: 29 Philosophers 27 afflicted 2 non afflicted 4. Turn: 13 Philosophers 12 afflicted 1 non afflicted 5. Turn: 5 Philosophers 4 afflicted 1 non afflicted 6. Turn: 3 afflicted Philosophers 7. Turn: All dead After the 2. Turn (24 Turns without Burden of Time) most of my philosophers have at least 1 affliction (only 6 from 100 non afflicted!) After 3 Turns 71% of my philosophers are dead. Without Burden of Time it would be after 36 Turns. It seems disease is a very popular old age affliction here. Second Test with Burden of Time All Scales set to the strong site, growth 3, luck 3, etc. I cast 'Burden of Time' which makes each turn like 12 Turns relating the age. 1. Turn: 100 Philosophers 34 have 1 or more afflictions 66 non afflicted 2. Turn: 95 Philosophers (5 died from disease) 70 have 1 or more afflictions 25 non afflicted 3. Turn: 77 Philosophers 69 afflicted 8 non afflicted 4. Turn: 54 Philosophers 49 afflicted 5 non afflicted 5. Turn: 44 Philosophers 40 afflicted 4 non afflicted 6. Turn: 38 Philosophers, 3 non-afflicted 7. Turn: 32 Philosophers, 3 non-afflicted 8. Turn: 30 Philosophers, 3 non-afflicted 9. Turn: 23 Philosophers, 1 non-afflicted 10. Turn: 22 Philosophers, all afflicted 11. Turn: 18 Philosophers 12. Turn: 16 Philosophers 13. Turn: 14 Philosophers 14. Turn: 10 Philosophers Stop test After the 3. Turn (36 Turns without Burden of Time) most of my philosophers have at least 1 affliction After 4 Turns 46% of my philosophers are dead (48 Turns without Burden of Time). It seems disease is a less popular here (Because there are many afflicted but less dead philosophers/year) Even with Growth 3 nearly the half of the old age die after 4 Years. 'Burden of Time', a Level 5 Thaumatorgy Spell is death to each nation with primary old age mages/researchers. I'll do some more test in time. Third Test with Burden of Time All Scales set to normal. I cast 'Burden of Time' which makes each turn like 12 Turns relating the age. 1. Turn: 100 Philosophers 45 have 1 or more afflictions 55 non afflicted 2. Turn: 92 Philosophers (8 died from disease) 64 have 1 or more afflictions 28 non afflicted 3. Turn: 66 Philosophers 52 afflicted 14 non afflicted 4. Turn: 43 Philosophers 35 afflicted 8 non afflicted 5. Turn: 28 Philosophers 24 afflicted 4 non afflicted 6. Turn: 18 Philosophers, 1 non-afflicted 7. Turn: 10 Philosophers, all afflicted 8. Turn: 5 Philosophers 9. Turn: 4 Philosophers 10. Turn: 4 Philosophers 11. Turn: 3 Philosophers 12. Turn: 3 Philosophers 13. Turn: 2 Philosophers 14. Turn: 1 Philosopher Stop test After the 3. Turn (36 Turns without Burden of Time) most of my philosophers have at least 1 affliction (14 from 100 non aflicted) After 4 Turns 57% of my philosophers are dead (48 Turns without Burden of Time). <font color="purple">4th December Edit </font> Ok, i remade the Tests 1-3, now without 'burden of time' and the results are different! All Start in Turn 1 with 100 Philosophers, i checked after each full year (every 12 turns) Test 1 All with bad scales, Death 3, etc. Turn 13: 100 Philosophers, 73 non-afflicted Turn 25: 88 Philosophers, 56 non-afflicted Turn 37: 75 Philosophers, 38 non-afflicted Turn 49: 61 Philosophers, 26 non-afflicted Turn 61: 48 Philosophers, 19 non-afflicted Turn 73: 44 Philosophers, 14 non-afflicted Turn 85: 38 Philosophers, 10 non-afflicted Turn 97: 29 Philosophers, 7 non-afflicted Turn 109: 22 Philosophers, 6 non-afflicted Turn 121: 21 Philosophers, 5 non-afflicted Test 2 All with good scales, Growth 3, etc. Turn 13: 100 Philosophers, 89 non-afflicted Turn 25: 95 Philosophers, 72 non-afflicted Turn 37: 87 Philosophers, 60 non-afflicted Turn 49: 80 Philosophers, 53 non-afflicted Turn 61: 73 Philosophers, 43 non-afflicted Turn 73: 67 Philosophers, 37 non-afflicted Turn 85: 59 Philosophers, 23 non-afflicted Turn 97: 51 Philosophers, 17 non-afflicted Turn 109: 48 Philosophers, 12 non-afflicted Turn 121: 43 Philosophers, 12 non-afflicted Test 3 All with neutral scales Turn 13: 100 Philosophers, 74 non-afflicted Turn 25: 82 Philosophers, 54 non-afflicted Turn 37: 74 Philosophers, 40 non-afflicted Turn 49: 64 Philosophers, 33 non-afflicted Turn 61: 56 Philosophers, 28 non-afflicted Turn 73: 50 Philosophers, 24 non-afflicted Turn 85: 42 Philosophers, 18 non-afflicted Turn 97: 37 Philosophers, 12 non-afflicted Turn 109: 31 Philosophers, 7 non-afflicted Turn 121: 25 Philosophers, 6 non-afflicted So after 60 Turns (5 years) i completly lost 52 Philosophers with all bad scales, 44 with neutral and just 27 with good Scales. So it seems 'Burden of Time' gives extra Afflictions in additional to the 1 turn=1 year feature. <font color="purple">5th December Edit </font> Ok, new tests. This one is very interesting! I use normal scales and the province has - 100 philosophers (i want to compare the result with my older tests, 9 HP) - 100 Anathement Dragon (Fire 3, 11 HP) - 100 Grand Thaumaturgs (Death 2, Astral 2, 1 Random, Holy 3, 8 HP) Here are the results: (number of living units every turn) Test 4 Turn 13: 100 Philosophers, 100 Anathemant Dragon, 100 Grand Thaumaturgs Turn 25: 83 Philosophers, 78 Anathemant Dragon, 100 Grand Thaumaturgs Turn 37: 74 Philosophers, 64 Anathemant Dragon, 98 Grand Thaumaturgs Turn 49: 67 Philosophers, 57 Anathemant Dragon, 91 Grand Thaumaturgs Turn 61: 57 Philosophers, 41 Anathemant Dragon, 88 Grand Thaumaturgs Turn 73: 51 Philosophers, 32 Anathemant Dragon, 86 Grand Thaumaturgs Turn 85: 42 Philosophers, 27 Anathemant Dragon, 85 Grand Thaumaturgs Turn 97: 36 Philosophers, 19 Anathemant Dragon, 84 Grand Thaumaturgs Turn 109: 32 Philosophers, 18 Anathemant Dragon, 82 Grand Thaumaturgs Turn 121: 28 Philosophers, 14 Anathemant Dragon, 79 Grand Thaumaturgs Non-Afflicted at the end: 4 Philosophers, 2 Anathemant Dragon and 22 Grand Thaumaturgs While philosophers get an equal result like my former test (25 on turn 121 there on normal scales) only 14 Anathemant Dragons survived. So either Fire 3 or the lower Old Age entry date 32 (compared to 50 Philosophers) has a negative effect here. Grand Thaumaturgs has like the Philosophers 50 as Old Age entry date. Only 21 out of 100 died within the 6 years testing time. So death 2 and/or holy 3 (maybe the astral 2) has a significant effect to get no disease affliction. Afflictions in general are fewer (22 non afflicted at the end). <font color="purple">6th December Edit </font> Another test to compare different old age characters: - Crone (Death 1, Old Age 500, 9 HP) - Arch Theurg (Air 1, Water 1, Astral 4, Some Random Magic (no death/nature), Old Age 50, 8 HP) - Warlock (Astral 2, Blood 3, Random Magic (No death/nature), Old Age 35, 13 HP) - Anathemant Salamander (Fire 2, Holy 2, Old Age 33, 13 HP) - Grand Master (Fire 3, Astral 2, Random Magic (No death/nature), Holy 2, Old Age 44, 8 HP) - Augur Elder (Fire 2, Death 2, Random Magic (no nature), Old Age 44, 9 HP) All scales set to normal, here are the results: Test 5 Turn 13: 100 Crone, 100 Arch Theurg, 100 Warlock, 100 Anathemant Salamander, 100 Grand Master, 100 Augur Elder Turn 25: 91 Crone, 85 Arch Theurg, 86 Warlock, 87 Anathemant Salamander, 84 Grand Master, 97 Augur Elder Turn 37: 86 Crone, 71 Arch Theurg, 65 Warlock, 71 Anathemant Salamander, 73 Grand Master, 93 Augur Elder Turn 49: 80 Crone, 65 Arch Theurg, 48 Warlock, 55 Anathemant Salamander, 62 Grand Master, 90 Augur Elder Turn 61: 73 Crone, 53 Arch Theurg, 39 Warlock, 44 Anathemant Salamander, 50 Grand Master, 85 Augur Elder Turn 73: 67 Crone, 48 Arch Theurg, 32 Warlock, 33 Anathemant Salamander, 43 Grand Master, 83 Augur Elder Turn 85: 61 Crone, 44 Arch Theurg, 24 Warlock, 23 Anathemant Salamander, 37 Grand Master, 80 Augur Elder Turn 97: 57 Crone, 34 Arch Theurg, 21 Warlock, 21 Anathemant Salamander, 30 Grand Master, 77 Augur Elder Turn 109: 55 Crone, 28 Arch Theurg, 21 Warlock, 18 Anathemant Salamander, 25 Grand Master, 75 Augur Elder Turn 121: 47 Crone, 24 Arch Theurg, 19 Warlock, 13 Anathemant Salamander, 22 Grand Master, 70 Augur Elder Afflictions: Turn 13: 19 afflicted Crone, 29 afflicted Arch Theurg, 34 afflicted Warlock, 26 afflicted Anathemant Salamander, 25 afflicted Grand Master, 13 afflicted Augur Elder Turn 121: 13 non-afflicted Crone, 4 non-afflicted Arch Theurg, 1 non-afflicted Warlock, 1 non-afflicted Anathemant Salamander, 6 non-afflicted Grand Master, 20 non-afflicted Augur Elder The low Old Age Entry Date of the Warlock and Anathemant Salamander didn't let them survive for long. Equal results like the Anathemant dragons in the former test. Warlocks without any Fire Magic die the same way. So only the Old Age counts. The Arch Theurgs are like the Philosophers, no significant difference. Holy, etc. don't have any effect. The Grand Masters are between the Arch Teurs and the Warlocks/Anathemants. The Augur Elders have the same Death 2 like the Grand Thaumaturgs (+ random death). 70 survided compared with 79 Grand Thaumaturgs. Old Age 44 (instead 50) may be the difference. The old age of 500 didn't give the crones a visible bonus. The 47 survived Crones seems normal for a death 1 unit. So a crone with an age of 697 coming in the game has a very big chance of dieing on old age within 10 years gametime. How they went so old outsite the game? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif |
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Fantastic idea! 48 turns for 50% chance of death is bad, but 48 turns is a long time, but that was with good scales. Could you do a test with neutral scales as well?
Also, if you have time, could you perform the same test with A) Anthemant Dragons (86) of MA Abysia, 42/32 years B) magicless Crones (249), 750/500 years or so. |
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Nice work,
Better do not use "Burden of Time", though: As long as it is not 100% clear - when the aging rolls are done - what the additional aging from "BoT" does in conjunction with the new aging rules it most likely will get you skewed results. Better set up a MP game with 2 human players and simply hit "generate turn" for the wanted number of turns. |
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Thanks for the responds!
- Third test with normal scales is added. - I'll do some more test with other units (Abysia, etc.) - I'll try the philosophers test without 'burden of time' to see the differences. |
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calmon--awesome. Thanks. Gives us a much clearer idea of the effects of old age, and how it works over time.
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Last I recall from Dominions_2... burden of time will give random afflictions which I imagine applies to units which are not old. Also I remember burden of time will just flat out kill units/commanders sometimes even those fully healthy. |
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Curious... how did characters die from a disease on turn 2? Even if they started with a disease, they'd still be alive on turn 2 because they'd have only lost 1 hit point.
What's going on there? -Frank |
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Burden of Time is in effect:
1 Turn now represent 1 year (12 Month) Disease costs 1 Life each MONTH |
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So burden of time now only causes units to age more quickly ? |
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This is great, but I agree with Arralen you should do it without BoT. One idea is to set up multiplayer with each race have 100 old folks. More work to set up, but then you can just click through 48 turns once.
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Ok, i remade the Tests 1-3, now without 'burden of time' and the results are different!
All Start in Turn 1 with 100 Philosophers, i checked after each full year (every 12 turns) Test 1 All with bad scales, Death 3, etc. Turn 13: 100 Philosophers, 73 non-afflicted Turn 25: 88 Philosophers, 56 non-afflicted Turn 37: 75 Philosophers, 38 non-afflicted Turn 49: 61 Philosophers, 26 non-afflicted Turn 61: 48 Philosophers, 19 non-afflicted Turn 73: 44 Philosophers, 14 non-afflicted Turn 85: 38 Philosophers, 10 non-afflicted Turn 97: 29 Philosophers, 7 non-afflicted Turn 109: 22 Philosophers, 6 non-afflicted Turn 121: 21 Philosophers, 5 non-afflicted Test 2 All with good scales, Growth 3, etc. Turn 13: 100 Philosophers, 89 non-afflicted Turn 25: 95 Philosophers, 72 non-afflicted Turn 37: 87 Philosophers, 60 non-afflicted Turn 49: 80 Philosophers, 53 non-afflicted Turn 61: 73 Philosophers, 43 non-afflicted Turn 73: 67 Philosophers, 37 non-afflicted Turn 85: 59 Philosophers, 23 non-afflicted Turn 97: 51 Philosophers, 17 non-afflicted Turn 109: 48 Philosophers, 12 non-afflicted Turn 121: 43 Philosophers, 12 non-afflicted Test 3 All with neutral scales Turn 13: 100 Philosophers, 74 non-afflicted Turn 25: 82 Philosophers, 54 non-afflicted Turn 37: 74 Philosophers, 40 non-afflicted Turn 49: 64 Philosophers, 33 non-afflicted Turn 61: 56 Philosophers, 28 non-afflicted Turn 73: 50 Philosophers, 24 non-afflicted Turn 85: 42 Philosophers, 18 non-afflicted Turn 97: 37 Philosophers, 12 non-afflicted Turn 109: 31 Philosophers, 7 non-afflicted Turn 121: 25 Philosophers, 6 non-afflicted So after 60 Turns (5 years) i completly lost 52 Philosophers with all bad scales, 44 with neutral and just 27 with good Scales. So it seems 'Burden of Time' gives extra Afflictions in additional to the 1 turn=1 year feature. |
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Great info. Age isn't as bad as I would have figured. Anyone care to figure the cost-benefit of philosopher-researchers?
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Death 3 got 6412 research turns Neutral got 6832 research turns Growth 3 got 8536 research turns Which means that Growth 3 got ~25% more research done than Neutral. And also Death 3 got ~7-6% less research done than Neutral. Final result is Growth 3 bringing in ~33% more research than Death 3. |
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And if the Philosphers had been young, they would have picked up 12000 research turns instead. A Sloth 3 Philosopher picks up 8 Research a turn for 50 gold plus or minus the Magic rate.
At Magic 0, the Philosopher is a better buy over 121 turns than a similarly priced character who generates 5 Research. That's great, because you can't get characters for 50 buck who generate 5 Research who are young. At Drain 2, the Philosopher is still beating a character with a base 5. At Magic 1 - same deal. At Drain 3, the Philosopher pulls ahead of a young character with a research of 6 - which is awesome. At Magic 3 they are still advantageous over characters with a 5 base, but it's a lot closer. Of course, that's the 120 turn picture at Growth 3. At Death 3, the 120 turn picture is a lot bleaker. At neutral Magic scales, our Philosopher only pulls ahead of researchers with a base research of 4 - which is only a very good deal. At Drain 3 they pull ahead of base research 5 characters, and with any Magic rate at all they are only better than Research 3 characters - which is the industry standard. At that point, in the long run they are only a noticably good deal for the money (costing as they do considerably less than a normal Research 3 magician and out thinking them by a lot). And of course, the Philosopher is researching in a front-loaded fashion and once they die of old age you aren't paying them upkeep any more. --- So the bottom line is: Even at Death 3, a Sloth-inspired Philosopher is a better deal in the long run than any available young researcher for the moolah. And in the short run, he's just crazy crazy awesome. People whine about age a lot, but at least for philosophers, it isn't even a deal. Those guys are still worth every penny and more. -Frank |
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Ok, new tests. This one is very interesting!
I use normal scales and the province has - 100 philosophers (i want to compare the result with my older tests, 9 HP) - 100 Anathement Dragon (Fire 3, 11 HP) - 100 Grand Thaumaturgs (Death 2, Astral 2, 1 Random, Holy 3, 8 HP) Here are the results: (number of living units in the round) Turn 13: 100 Philosophers, 100 Anathemant Dragon, 100 Grand Thaumaturgs Turn 25: 83 Philosophers, 78 Anathemant Dragon, 100 Grand Thaumaturgs Turn 37: 74 Philosophers, 64 Anathemant Dragon, 98 Grand Thaumaturgs Turn 49: 67 Philosophers, 57 Anathemant Dragon, 91 Grand Thaumaturgs Turn 61: 57 Philosophers, 41 Anathemant Dragon, 88 Grand Thaumaturgs Turn 73: 51 Philosophers, 32 Anathemant Dragon, 86 Grand Thaumaturgs Turn 85: 42 Philosophers, 27 Anathemant Dragon, 85 Grand Thaumaturgs Turn 97: 36 Philosophers, 19 Anathemant Dragon, 84 Grand Thaumaturgs Turn 109: 32 Philosophers, 18 Anathemant Dragon, 82 Grand Thaumaturgs Turn 121: 28 Philosophers, 14 Anathemant Dragon, 79 Grand Thaumaturgs Non-Afflicted at the end: 4 Philosophers, 2 Anathemant Dragon and 22 Grand Thaumaturgs While philosophers get an equal result like my former test (25 on turn 121 there on normal scales) only 14 Anathemant Dragons survived. So either Fire 3 or the lower Old Age entry date 32 (compared to 50 Philosophers) has a negative effect here. Grand Thaumaturgs has like the Philosophers 50 as Old Age entry date. Only 21 out of 100 died within the 6 years testing time. So death 2 and/or holy 3 (maybe the astral 2) has a significant effect to get no disease affliction. Afflictions in general are fewer (22 non afflicted at the end). |
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I believe the following holds true:
Fire Magic affects Old Age negatively. Earlier Old Age, and more afflictions, depending on level. Nature Magic affects Old Age positively. Later Old Age, and less afflictions, depending on level. Death Magic affects Old Age positively. Less afflictions, depending on level. I would be interested in seeing the effects of old age on: --mage with 1N --mage with 2N --mage with 3N --mage with 1F --mage with 2F --mage with 3F --mage with 1D --mage with 2D --mage with 3D |
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Actually, it would also be interesting to see: --mage with 1f1n --mage with 1f1d --mage with 2f1n --mage with 2f1d --mage with 2f2n --mage with 2f2d etc.... Is there any way all this data could be added to the wiki, or to a web page for future reference? |
Hm, how likely is Feeblemind?
Just curious -- an expensive feebleminded mage can be even worse than a dead one, if you don't have a ready means of healing.
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Maybe old age affliction chance is proportional to
({current age}-{beginning of old age})/{beginning of old age}? |
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Calmon, that last test was interesting. Can you do the same with death 3 and growth 3?
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The initial rate of old age afflictions is based on maxage and maxage only. Maxage is the start of the old age.
Every pick of Death magic gives a chance of preventing an old age affliction, and I understand high-enough Death makes you immune to old age afflictions. Rejuvenation, or the ability to heal your own afflictions, migth help prevent afflictions, or it might just increase maxage; I'm not sure. EDIT: Just to be sure, I requested magicless Crones to be tested because they are always old, and have maxage 500. |
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We know that Death reduces chance of getting affliction, but I think the impact of Fire and Nature is purely on the maxage. The impact of Nature is much greater, each point increases maxage by 50% of its original value, whereas each point of Fire reduces maxage by 5. I doubt, but have no evidence, that Nature and Fire impact the chance of affliction once you are old.
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Another test to compare different old age characters:
- Crone (Death 1, Old Age 500, 9 HP) - Arch Theurg (Air 1, Water 1, Astral 4, Some Random Magic (no death/nature), Old Age 50, 8 HP) - Warlock (Astral 2, Blood 3, Random Magic (No death/nature), Old Age 35, 13 HP) - Anathemant Salamander (Fire 2, Holy 2, Old Age 33, 13 HP) - Grand Master (Fire 3, Astral 2, Random Magic (No death/nature), Holy 2, Old Age 44, 8 HP) - Augur Elder (Fire 2, Death 2, Random Magic (no nature), Old Age 44, 9 HP) All scales set to normal, here are the results: Turn 13: 100 Crone, 100 Arch Theurg, 100 Warlock, 100 Anathemant Salamander, 100 Grand Master, 100 Augur Elder Turn 25: 91 Crone, 85 Arch Theurg, 86 Warlock, 87 Anathemant Salamander, 84 Grand Master, 97 Augur Elder Turn 37: 86 Crone, 71 Arch Theurg, 65 Warlock, 71 Anathemant Salamander, 73 Grand Master, 93 Augur Elder Turn 49: 80 Crone, 65 Arch Theurg, 48 Warlock, 55 Anathemant Salamander, 62 Grand Master, 90 Augur Elder Turn 61: 73 Crone, 53 Arch Theurg, 39 Warlock, 44 Anathemant Salamander, 50 Grand Master, 85 Augur Elder Turn 73: 67 Crone, 48 Arch Theurg, 32 Warlock, 33 Anathemant Salamander, 43 Grand Master, 83 Augur Elder Turn 85: 61 Crone, 44 Arch Theurg, 24 Warlock, 23 Anathemant Salamander, 37 Grand Master, 80 Augur Elder Turn 97: 57 Crone, 34 Arch Theurg, 21 Warlock, 21 Anathemant Salamander, 30 Grand Master, 77 Augur Elder Turn 109: 55 Crone, 28 Arch Theurg, 21 Warlock, 18 Anathemant Salamander, 25 Grand Master, 75 Augur Elder Turn 121: 47 Crone, 24 Arch Theurg, 19 Warlock, 13 Anathemant Salamander, 22 Grand Master, 70 Augur Elder Afflictions: Turn 13: 19 afflicted Crone, 29 afflicted Arch Theurg, 34 afflicted Warlock, 26 afflicted Anathemant Salamander, 25 afflicted Grand Master, 13 afflicted Augur Elder Turn 121: 13 non-afflicted Crone, 4 non-afflicted Arch Theurg, 1 non-afflicted Warlock, 1 non-afflicted Anathemant Salamander, 6 non-afflicted Grand Master, 20 non-afflicted Augur Elder The low Old Age Entry Date of the Warlock and Anathemant Salamander didn't let them survive for long. Equal results like the Anathemant dragons in the former test. Warlocks without any Fire Magic die the same way. So only the Old Age counts. The Arch Theurgs are like the Philosophers, no significant difference. Holy, etc. don't have any effect. The Grand Masters are between the Arch Teurs and the Warlocks/Anathemants. The Augur Elders have the same Death 2 like the Grand Thaumaturgs (+ random death). 70 survided compared with 79 Grand Thaumaturgs. Old Age 44 (instead 50) may be the difference. The old age of 500 didn't give the crones a visible bonus. The 47 survived Crones seems normal for a death 1 unit. So a crone with an age of 697 coming in the game has a very big chance of dieing on old age within 10 years gametime. How they went so old outsite the game? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif |
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The old age of 500 didn't give the crones a visible bonus. The 47 survived Crones seems normal for a death 1 unit.
So a crone with an age of 697 coming in the game has a very big chance of dieing on old age within 10 years gametime. How they went so old outsite the game? This looks like a bug to me: If the %-tage for afflictions is supposed to be based on the age threshold, than those crones should only get very few afflictions, and even fewer should get diseased?! Could you please test some death-1 mages with normal lifespan, old and not-old when bought? |
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> This looks like a bug to me:
> If the %-tage for afflictions is supposed to be based on the age threshold, than those crones should only get very few afflictions, and even fewer should get diseased?! Agreed. |
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I don't think any more testing is necessary to confirm that bug. Crones have a lifespan 10x that of anything else on the chart. If lifespan helped in any meaningful way they'd have outlived the Augur Elders. FWIW, when I played EA Tien Chi with a growth scale (sorry, forgot the details) my Celestial Masters (Old at something like 220) still picked up afflictions at a good clip.
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Just a bump for the new players.
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