Immortality
 

I'm a fool, but I can't seem to find the immortality spell anywhere. Which path? I'm looking to insure the life of my precious commanders (and the whole mummy thing is nice, but...) so other suggestions are welcome.

There isn\'t one.
 

It'd be rather difficult to 'fairly' price it, given how powerful it could become.

Re: There isn\'t one.
 

That would explain why I couldn't find it in the game. Though there are several threads speaking of such a spell...

Re: There isn\'t one.
 

immortality isn't a spell, it's a state certain creatures-and not all of them are Pretenders-are in. And certainly, not all Pretenders are immortal either. I don't think you can even Wish for it, although it would be nice if you could...

Re: There isn\'t one.
 

there is a spell called twiceborn where the spellcaster returns as a wight mage, essentially a lich, which is immortal, I believe.

Re: There isn\'t one.
 

Yeah, but I don't think that spell works for Ancient Krakens, unless I'm wrong.

Re: There isn\'t one.
 

I imagine it does, if you can manage to get them out of the water (there is a magic item that can do that)

the disadvantages of being underwater are arguably balanced by the advantage of being hard to reach by those who are not underwater.

Re: There isn\'t one.
 

Yes, but the question isn't whether you can turn an Ancient Kraken into a lich, the question is whether you can turn an Ancient Kraken into an Ancient Kraken who is ALSO a lich. To turn an Ancient Kraken into a standard demi-lich might be possible, but it would be a waste.

Aquatic nations should beware of Twiceborn.
 

Wight mages are not amphibious in any way.

Water magic no longer conveys the ability to breathe water, even to the caster.

End result: instant drowning.

It should also be noted that pretender morphing is permanent; if your pretender drowns as a wight mage, he'll reappear as a wight mage when Call God is used, not as per his original form (unless this has changed from D2...).

Thus ends one of the more arguably abusive D2 R'lyeh exploits: Twiceborning a rainbow Void Lurker to get a rainbow wight mage with more slots and the ability to actually run around.

Re: Aquatic nations should beware of Twiceborn.
 

How does the elixer of life work?

Re: There isn\'t one.
 

Actually there is an immortality spell... Alteration 7 'Phoenix Pyre'.

Immortality is also a permanent trait available to a few pretenders and summons.

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If you're looking to keep your important commanders alive have them 'pass around' the unique armor called "armor of virtue". After one battle the commander should receive the ritual of returning mark and can then switch back to his original armor and allow another commander to temporarily wear the "armor of virtue". This ritual of returning mark means if they are struck even once in battle they will be teleported back to your castle... depending on your unit and what you're fighting the one strike shouldn't kill.

Re: There isn\'t one.
 

Phoenix pyre isnt immortality, they both have completely different effects. Immortality lets you come back to your capitol if you die in your dominion where-as phoenix pyre lets you explode and reappear on the battlefield if you die unless your too tired.

Re: There isn\'t one.
 

IIRC Wight mages aren't immortal, they're just undead (so don't really age for example).

Re: There isn\'t one.
 

Phoenix pyre is a type of immortality... read the spell.

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Re: There isn\'t one.
 

There is no such thing as immortality for sale in Dom3. There is the Elixir of Life which will resurrect a commander killed in battle (during battle, so he could be killed again) and the other methods mentioned. That's it.

The only way to get immortality would be to morph the caster to an immortal form, but that shapechanging spell is random and only a handful of the ~1800 creatures in the game have immortality to begin with...

Edi

Re: There isn\'t one.
 

I wonder if the Polymorph spell is completely random? Does it cycle through all 1800 or so troops? If so, you might end up turning your ultra-powerful rainbow Pretender into a hoburg with a stick (or a hoburg ON a stick, for that matter)

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The spell can feeblemind your pretender... I heard its possible it can even kill the pretender. The spell doesn't randomly select one of the 1800 different units, but only from a selection of nature type units.

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I ran a bunch of test with it and imho it is not worth the risk. I was killed and feebleminded frequently and most usually turned in to a useless mammal. Of the dozens of times I tested it only twice was I turned in to a foul spawn with usable hand head body and misc slots.

usually it was a dog or something else. Maybe 3 or 4 of the forms were drake level of power or higher.

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It'd be worth it if you had a chance to turn your Pretender into like the Hunter of Heroes or something. Not so much if the best you can score is a drake or whatever, if you might also turn him into a headless freak with one arm, three legs, and a furry tentacle.

Re: There isn\'t one.
 

In dominions_2 I recall the best unit being an ettin.

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Ettins are pretty good. 3 arms and two heads and full body-slots. Not to mention pretty decent body stats.

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When does "death" process? Could you stack Phoenix Pyre with the Medallion of Vengeance and significant reinvigoration to blow up twice each time you were killed?

Its these questions and a thousand more that make me wish for a dominions lab where you could equip any creature with any paths / schools / items and have them go at it.

Re: Immortality
 

You can pretty easily set up such a "lab" with a small map and map commands.