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Does any one here play or has played Eve On Line? If you have played, is it worth it? Are you still playing? If no why not?

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I signed up for it last new years (2006) and played it till about august. I lost intrest in it around that time due to having so many other games like Oblivion, FEAR, Warhammer and a 360. I guess it's not that I really lost intrest, it's just that I want to fly the biggest and the best ship right away and thats not how the game works. Seeing some of the footage from the new patch (they added a patch with several new features and ships) made me want to get back into it. Well, I signed up for it, get this, LAST NIGHT hahah talk about timing on that one. Well. I get into the game, someone in the local system channel is leaving the game and gives me 100m isk. (think dollars) Well thats all good and great, let me learn some skills and I'm well on my way to owning a battleship. Well, I go pirate hunting and a group of player pirates ganks me. Long story short, I now have 40m isk. That really pi$$3d me off. But I got over it and I learned that the way I had my ship setup before really sucked. Overall, I like the game. I think it's worth it. It's addicting. And no offense to anybody here, but it's not the bandwagon of WOW. If your thinking of trying it, get the free 14 day trial first. I made the mistake of just straight signing up for it, it was a good thing I enjoyed the game.

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It is worth a try, graphic is awesome one of the beast i've ever seen...

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i dont like it. I played the beta, but the controls are very difficult. Its not user-friendly.

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I love EVE very much. Thing is, you don't really NEED to play incessantly to keep up with your buddies. Even a blistering noob right out of character generation has uses to a player corp. The game is plenty complex and there's always something new to do. The areas of the game that are lawless are truly lawless. There is a massive space opera-style theatre of war going on between a large number of really big player alliances wanting to claim the space for themselves.

At the same time, you can really and truly be whatever you want in the world. Miner, manufacturer, bounty hunter, pirate, soldier, stealth ship pilot, hauler, whatever interests you. Plus, seeing as there aren't classes once you get into the game, you can learn whatever skills you very well please and switch up as needed. There really isn't any character regret, as all the skills are useful some way or another.

Main downside is that it isn't for everybody. There's a heavy learning curve and carebear-type players get very disappointed very quickly, especially the first time they get ganked in unsafe space. The game does take some getting accustomed to, but once you get it, it's wonderful. Highly recommended.

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Played for about 18 months- If you have a thin skin, you'll consider most players griefers, which is why its also known as grief online. It does have a fairly high learning curve. I left because the game is becoming more oriented toward large groups called alliances (blob warfare)at the expense of small groups/solo players, Lag, unresponsive customer support, farmers, and the lead dev's belief that alliance politics is more important than everything else.

Other than that it was fun for awhile. Actually I preferred Earth and Beyond due to its more cooperative nature (no PvP) while in Eve its watch your back and trust no one which is sort of counter-intuitive to its premise of corporation/ alliance cooperation.

High Security space is fun for afk, chatting, goofing around, while in low sec space you need to be on your toes and keep a sharp eye out. 0.0 space is supposedly lawless but with alliances controlling it, some areas are safer than hi sec. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif. unless some war is going on.

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The alliance grouping is the one thing that many people sight as why they leave the game. Yet the people running EVE don't do anything to move people away from this. I have played games simular to EVE, but without the graphics, before and the joy and fun of playing often gets sucked out because of this. In order to survive you must join an alliance, and thus eventually turning the game from a thing of enjoyment, into a job. This Job feel is why I gave up on Galaxies, and a bunch of web based games like Planterion, and Earth 2045.

I had hoped that EVE would be different, at $15.00 a month to play, I would rather be paid to play than pay to play at a job. Thanks for the info guys.

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I like Eve. Don't need to constantly level, which is nice, since skills are trained offline. There is a high learning curve, true... and your hard work can be gone in a flash, when someone vaporizes your ship. But ISK is easy to come by really as you get higher up in the game, and as long as you keep your (dirt cheap) clones up to date, you don't lose any skills, and thus you don't use the time invested into the game.

I think that the full PvP system is nice. In 0.0 system there's nothing preventing you from spacing someone except what the player creates, and even with alliances protecting you it's still dangerous. High security systems have no PvP(except corporation wars), but if you wanted to you could spend years in high corporation space with missions and stuff.

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What stops other more experienced long term players from just killing you the moment they see you? Why invest so much into something if it can be taken from you so easily? Figure you run into someone who has been playing steady for three years now. Imagine they are a jerk and just enjoy killing easy prey because they can. That kind of thing isn't fun at all to the victim and from I have seen, this is the way things are in EVE. You have to stay in "safe" zones forever less you be destroyed by a dominating player.

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Well, they have to FIND you first. Second there are player organizations that frown on things like that, and getting their 3,000,000 isk ship blown up is going to hurt them more than your 30,000 ship. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

That said, I can't stand EVE's interface, so I didn't play long.

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I play EVE and have recently converted many other SE players http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I am in a smaller alliance that controls a portion of 0.0 space. We have our own outpost we recently constructed. We do all kinds of fleet combat and it is a great group if people. I would be happy to help anyone get started in the game. We have a great corp you can join in Empire space till you are experienced enough to come out to 0.0(lawless space) with me.

It is a good game but there are alot of places it could be better but it is the only game of its kind. So you get what you get.

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I've been playing Eve for more than a year. Fun game, but I tend to play solo and therefore have rarely ventured into 0.0 space. I'm in a 'casual players' corp that some stupid pirate corp has recently declared war on, so I may be going back to a NPC corp soon.

I'm not into pvp and ganking and gate camping. The stupid wars get on my nerves. I play games to relax, not to lose all the stuff I've got to some gate camping jerk.

What corp and alliance are you in, Combat Wombat?

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Not necessarily...I spend a good deal of time out in "unsafe" areas digging at asteroids, running missions, and flying around with a buddy or two from time to time. You just need to know how to handle unsafe space.

That's why I made the carebear comment, though...EVE gets a bad rap partly because of the alliance thing and partly because of the "OMGZ, lose your ship to vet, garrrgggh!!!" thing. That's why it isn't for everyone. It isn't a game where you can just run around randomly with relative impunity. That is one of the things I like about it.

Don't simply look at why people leave. Rather, consider what you want in a game and look at why people STAY. If fleet combat and alliances aren't your thing, EVE is not for you. If feeling perfectly safe no matter where you are is your thing, EVE is not for you. That's just how the game is.

Despite what people might tell you, griefing shmucks that have nothing better to do than pwn nubs are actually relatively uncommon. See, you can round up a posse and go smash them. In fact, Goonfleet tends to use the Massive Horde of Newbs strategy to cause a ruckus. Take a big horde of new players, give them all the cheap ships they can get blown up, and tell them what needs killed.

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Nothing, really. People can blow you up at any time for any reason. Of course, then your security standings go down, and you can put bounties on them, which means that people will probably want to kill them more. And there are player organizations that, as have been said before, tends to go after those people. If someone's a jerk like that, it's not soon before those organizations know that he's a jerk, and then that person has an entire organization after him with a lot more money.

And I don't really have much sympathy if you put all of your money in a brand new ship, just to have it blown up. What you SHOULD do is keep enough money in the bank for a new ship, and if you do in fact get blown up, play it safe for a while in 'safe' space.

A little bit of cautiousness goes a long way. The only time in Eve that I've gotten killed so far is in low sec space, when I decided to try killing a frigate that warped in. And it turns out he had friends... anyway, as long as you warp away instantly unless you are sure you have a chance of winning, you're fairly safe. Except for warp bubbles, but those are rare...

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corp ticker is EMD and the alliance is Rule of Three

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Its one of those games that your either going to love or hate. There really is no middle ground. If you think you might like it, there is a free trial. It's just a game, of course it has limitations. This isn't your ordinary "oh great, I just lost my entire fleet, time to reload" game. I've never been in a corp or alliance and I only had the problem the other day, but if you think about it, that was karma, something good came my way, then something bad nailed me. Having said that I am to the exact same point I was before it happened as far as ship and equipment goes. Just a little less cash, but hey, most of what I used to get back on my feet, wasn't mine anyway.

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Thanks guys. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Good info..

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Well, maybe I should leave, then. Truth is, I have not played very much over the last few months.

As I said, I tend to like to do my thing when I feel like it. I work hard and when I come home I like to relax. I hate being in an alliance where somebody is telling me when I need to log on and what I have to do when I log on.

I have a boss and a wife, so I just don't need another situation where I am obligated to do something for some stranger.

That's the big problem with online games, IMHO.

TBH it kind of bothers me when people say 'Eve is a pvp game' or 'Eve is a group game' or 'Let's force people out of NPC corps and into player corps.'

My understanding is that Eve is whatever each player wants it to be. Whether or not the player plays solo, it's up to them, and nobody has the right to judge them.

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Being in allinace isn't all abut doing things for the alliance. I do things for my alliance because it allows me and the alliance to continue to operate in 0.0 where there is alot more money to be made and the things I do are few and usually quite fun like fleet combat.

But if you are going to leave the game Artaud could I convince you to give me your stuff, no point in letting it go to waste. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Starting to sound just like the EVE Online forums and game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

If someone doesn't like how you play then they say Eve is not for you. Too much of that attitude crept into Eve and other online games.

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Uh, you're a nice fellow, but one of the things that irritates me about the Eve forum is that whenever somebody expresses unhappines with the game and ponders whether to stay or go, a platoon of wise guys chimes in with "Cn I hav ur stuff????"

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I've got a IBIS you can have... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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To bad you can't will them a "special" surprise gift upon leaving. They accept and KaBOOOOOOOOM! there goes their lifes work. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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I started Eve Online about 6 months ago. A former roommate emailed be a trial account code and told me to DL the client. After a few hurdles I was able to log in and play. I got hooked and quit EQ2, retiring a 53rd level Paladin with the best gear he could use (without constant raiding), maxed out spell power, and about 30th or so on the server 'quests completed' leader board.

It has incredible graphics, it can be an insane amount of fun, and it can leave you awe-struck if you do a little exploring.

It's not level based, you gain skills whether you're in game or not so long as you remember to set a skill to train. People you meet can become incredible friends, just like here.

It also has a fairly steep learning curve, it's very much a 'dog-eat-dog, take no prisoners, trust no one' kind of universe. A lot of the time social interaction is always played out with both parties thinking 'how is/could the other guy screw me over?' and the designers have repeatly stated that as long as they use in game mechanics, scams ambushed, traps, etc are perfectly legit.

It's very much like being outside the city and away from the guards in UO. You have to watch your back constantly.

That being said, it is fun. You can build things that persist long after you leave the game. Or long after your corp or alliance dies and is blown away.

You can be griefed, you can be attacked and killed pretty much everywhere. But there are also lots of ways to mitigate or even eliminate that risk. Once you know what to look for you can be reasonably confident in your ability to survive.

Yes a 3 year veteran can go around and slaughter you in 10 seconds because he wants to. But he pays some steep penalties himself. You can also ask people in your 'corp' which is this game's 'guild' or 'clan' for assistance.

It attracts a lot of people but unless you're willing to accept that this isn't a happy fun world you're not going to be enjoying your stay very long. The forums tend to reinforce this mentality. Like Klingons and thier pain-sticks, the general player base considers themselves the toughest and the best and if someone complains that something is to 'hard' the general rejoiner is "Go back to WoW".

Just a heads up.

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Was EVE made by the same people who made Starfleet Command?

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I played Eve for a while.

Yes, it is very ruthless and dog-eat-dog. And yes, the community can be harsh and pitiless.

That being said, I would still be playing if they hadn't stopped supporting my OS.

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Get an OS that supports every game produced for it...

...Buy an Amiga.

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The people on Eve are very friendly to newbies anyway... I've gotten lots of ISK without even asking, because of player donations.

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Actually, that's one of the crazy things about EVE. There is actually stuff worth buying when you have obscene amounts of money.

When I started, I was given a million spacebux to get started. It bought me a pair of nice frigates, mining gear, and enough stuff to deck out my ships well enough to get started. I was all like "OOHHH, million bux!!"

Now I have 95 million on hand, like 300 mil worth of ships alone, and have handed out a million or so to more than one new player. Funky.

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So can you buy a space station and have other players visit you? Or how about owning a bar on a space station, like Quark? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Or is it all flying around in space stuff?

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It all in space right now but they have posted screenshots of the new stuff they are adding where you can walk around inside stations and do stuff. I am not sure how extensive this new content will be though.

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All flying around in space stuff, though they're planning on having walk around stations.

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wow ashton congrats you just reworded my post so you could raise your count... congrats

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You realize he probably just didn't see your post, right?

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Yes... I replied, and didn't notice Combat Wombat's post...

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Except he posted almost an hour and thirty minutes later. I know ashtons game.

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...wha? It's a known bug that the very first post on a page usually isn't seen. When you go to the topic, it goes to the last page, not the page with only one post. What game are you talking about?

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He out ranks you anyway http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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It isn't JUST flying around, it's flying around while trapped in a little metal egg that's hardwired into the ship's systems.

Totally rad. The eggs come equipped with an espresso maker*, a pizza oven*, and 7,000 TV channels*. Hawt!!!


* totally not true

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And don't forget the exotic dancers!!!

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I own about, oh...50. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif You monster. I only have 20 and they go everywhere I go. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/stupid.gif