How to bless the Ghoul Guardians?
 

Playing around with Ulm Black Forest i found no way to bless the sacred Ghoul Guardian. (Devine) Bless works only on non-undead like the black templars.

Undead sacreds like the ghoul guardians can only be blessed by unholy bless. But LA ulm doesn't have it.

So how can the ghoul guardians as troops ever be blessed by ulm?

Re: How to bless the Ghoul Guardians?
 

This is a symptom of a widespread problem in the changes in unholy/holy magic.

Short answer: get an undead priest.

Prophetize a vampire count? Or summon some cheap undead commander and prophetize him if you don't have the blood flowing yet.

Later on, Mound Kings can give you more undead priests.

Note as well if you're using both undead and non-undead sacreds, once Divine Bless has been cast, the undead priests won't bother casting unholy bless. (And probably vice versa, if the battlefield unholy bless has been cast)

I'm not sure what the real solution to this is, other than to just have the same bless work on both living and undead.
It needs to be fixed, though.

Re: How to bless the Ghoul Guardians?
 

Undead priests don't have unholy bless. Even with a vampire as prophet you can just cast normal holy spells.

I'm fine with a concept that undead sacreds only be blessable by unholy bless and non-undeads needs normal bless. But like you note playing ME ermor i know the problem/bug with only one bless active on the battlefield. There should be a solution. Maybe an ermor without devine bless, but then you've unblessable lictors http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif.

Re: How to bless the Ghoul Guardians?
 

Same problem for Sauromatia : the (sacred) ancestral spirits cannot benefit from a bless either...
cheers

Re: How to bless the Ghoul Guardians?
 

Crap... I was just about to send my Black Priest along with my Guardians. Looks like I'll have to make a Mound Fiend instead (which won't be for a while)

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Yeah, I misunderstood how the bless got determined. So it's just holy/unholy by nation?

That's even worse than I thought. Maybe it should be by undead status of the priest doing the blessing? (Does this mean that undead priests of most nations (say Mound Kings) can't bless themselves?)

It would seem better to me to just have one type of bless. Black Templars and Ghoul Guardians are both sacred to the same pretender, why would his priests not be able to bless both?


And how do sacred demons fit in? They come under holy bless right? But need undead leadership?

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I am playing MA Ermor and I can use my Thurmaturgs/Grand Thurmaturgs to cast Divine Blessing and Unholy Blessing in the same battle. So I can have unholy blessed shadow vestals and divine blessed lictors fighting side by side. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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I've done a test and it seems meglobob is right, it works even with devine bless firstcast. I tested with the Level 3 'global' forms.

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I have a game right now where I can demonstrate it IS working. Isn't Dom 3 fun! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

Although to be fair I think I am casting unholy bless first then the divine bless. I think shadow vestels are better than lictors.

Re: How to bless the Ghoul Guardians?
 

Does it work with the smaller blesses?

If Divine Bless has been cast will anycast the non-battlefield versions of unholy bless?

Re: How to bless the Ghoul Guardians?
 

http://ulm.illwinter.com/dom3/dom3progress.html
29th october
* Version 3.01
* Blessing can affect sacred undead.


It's been fixed, at least partially, at least once. It has either broken again or something was missed. I have seen threads about this issue, but I still don't know what, exactly, is bugged. Are there any spells which can always be used to bless both undead and non-undead sacreds? Is it dependant on whether or not the casting priest has been blessed already? Do some spell work only on spesific conditions?

Re: How to bless the Ghoul Guardians?
 

Unholy Bless works only on undead
Bless works only on non-undead

Unholy bless is an ermor national spells. I think noone else can cast it.

Thats how it works in moment. If this isn't intended its an unsolved bug.