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I develope trainers for many of my favorite games. I have made a trainer for se4. Unfortunately, I have only the demo to field-test it. So I cut to the chase, I will give the trainer to the first 5 people who e-mail me so they can test it.

JedibLast@hotmail.com

-R¥ºgA-

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Umm since you can allow cheats in games, I assume you do this only to f uck up human vrs human games. Must be something to do with small penis size I guess.

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I guess you outwitted me. I mean, I didn't know there was a cheat that could add in upwards of 10 billion to everything and keep it there. Well I guess I'll go hack some other games.

-R¥ºgA-

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And don't email me or something bad will happen to you.

-R¥ºgA-

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Is that a threat? If your so worried then delete the message with you adress in it. Besides this forum is fairly mature it's doughtful you adress will be used unless there is good reason.

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I am not worried about anything. I'm just leaving the possibility of having some fun, on my part. I might even give the trainer to someone who asks nicely.

-R¥ºgA-

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What's a trainer?

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It's a little program that allows things that aren't allowed to happen in the game to happen on command. (i.e. 10 billion of everything)

I don't like trainers 'cause they are cheap in multiplay. The game doesn't know how to throw those players out.

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FIRST AND FOREMOST, THREATS ARE POINTLESS.

SECOND, THERE IS NO NEED TO BE RUDE. I DO NOT ENJOY READING THIS FLAME CRAP, AND I WOULD HOPE THAT RICARD WILL CLOSE THIS THREAD AND HOPEFULLY IMMEDATELY.

[This message has been edited by Atrocities (edited 10 June 2001).]

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Thanks. Guess I can live without that in the game.

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The Ctrl-Money cheat code will give you all the resources/research/intel points that you need. But, it can be DISABLED while this 'trainer' thing cannot because it's independent of the game. I can only see one real use for this 'trainer' since it duplicates the built-in cheat codes. Unlike the cheat codes (oddly enough) it would let you CHEAT in a game where you weren't supposed to, like competition between humans. I'd avoid it.

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When I played BOTF on line, I came to realize real early on that people were using Trainers to cheat. It is a pathetic thing to do, and any one that use one, really show how skilless they are. No offense, I just think trainers are trash, and it angers me that people would consider using them over relying on their skill.

[This message has been edited by Atrocities (edited 10 June 2001).]

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Sorry was out for a bit and missed this.

I will leave it open for now because I haven't seen the offender post for a bit.

However this is your only warning another post like that and I will not only lock this thread down but I will also lock your acount out.

Threats and verbal abuse/language are NOT allowed on this forum or appreciated.

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Richard Arnesen
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Shrapnel Games
http://www.shrapnelgames.com

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Trainers have wrecked many an Online game. Anyone who played the first Diablo can attest to this, there were tonnes of hackers/cheaters running around, the company had to spend $$$ to get them out/lessened when it could have spend this on better/more games.

The only thing I can see a use for a trainer here is if it acts like a 'Save Game Editor', for setting up scenarios, NOT as an ingame cheat (ie, suddenly you are facing a ship with range 20 ducs that do 1000points of damage).

This man definitly needs to be shut out/Banned, I do not call for this needlessly, I totally uphold the right of free speech etc BUT things like this ruined Diablo for me, and Online games in general, I don't play Diablo any more Online, I bought Diablo 2 and spent most of my time playing Online 'solo' afraid of running into cheaters/hackers/general idiots.

Lets NOT let this game go that way.

To the hacker, go find a game where people think like you do. We don't, and this game is definitly NOT for you.

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Owen smiled coldly. "It wasn't hers to take. I'm a Deathstalker until I die. And we never forget a slight or an enemy." -Owen Deathstalker.

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Since in a simultaneous game all the "work" is being done by the host, I'm not sure how effective a trainer would be at cheating if it was being used by one of the players (if the _host_ is cheating then all bets are off, of course).

If it does work, though, perhaps Aaron could add a sanity check to the host to keep an eye on player statistics and see if there're any sudden inexplicable changes since the previous turn? Since the host is the one responsible for processing events, I would imagine that any changes to the game's state that it didn't perform itself would be "illegal." Someone let me know if I'm misinterpreting things, I've never actually played a multiplayer simultaneous game before and I'm not too familiar with the mechanics.

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Ugh

One of the worst things that the existence of cheat utils does to a game community is create a climate of suspicion.

Up until yesterday, I was of the impression that it was not possible to cheat in an MP game of SE4. Today, I know it is.

This really has not contributed to my enjoyment of the game or my peace of mind at all.

I do remember Diablo I, and it truly was a nightmare to play Online, simply because of the cheaters and PK's.

[This message has been edited by Possum (edited 10 June 2001).]

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Why did MM put cheat codes in the game anyway? Does anyone use them in their games?

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BeeDee, let me say that SiMove rocks.

I played exclusively turn-based from the time I found SE4 and D/L'ed the demo, (around 60-75 days before the full Version was released), up until I joined Geo's Survivor Tourney over on PBW.

I was profoundly skeptical of SiMove, but now I'm convinced. It really is more exciting even against the computer, and definitely better for MP.

And I would strongly suggest you check out PBW. It works great, just slicker than cat**** on linoleum http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

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I expect I will indeed give PBW a shot as soon as the new patch comes out (I've heard that the current Version doesn't work with it due to a bug in command line execution). I've been holding back so far because retrofitting/scrapping/etc. is so badly broken in simultaneous mode. I like to retrofit a _lot_ in peacetime, always keeping my forces cutting-edge. Having to do it one ship at a time is such a pain. But I've been getting myself used to it, and perhaps the next patch will fix that too. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

Now that I think about the "cheating" issue more, we've already seen Aaron be quite responsive and quick to close security holes in the past; when he released the map editor he promptly patched the game to disallow saving maps during play so that multiplayers couldn't use the editor to view systems they hadn't visited yet. I'm sure if this trainer becomes a problem there'll be ways to have SEIV verify other players' honesty.

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Dang I don't like CHEATERS but I hear (read) all sorts of thing I can try in solo games

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I am not sure what a "trainer" is, but there are programs that allow a person to actually edit memory locations. The programs allow the user to search for a specific number, say 23,145 minerals, and acutally change that value. This could be done DURING the turn, making it impossible to catch.

The only way to keep an eye out for cheating is to monitor the scores screen. Any reqular player can see that if someone has 150 tech levels, and you only only have 100, there is something funny going on. Or if a player has 500 ships to your 200, there could be something going on as well. You just have to play with players you trust.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kimball:
This could be done DURING the turn, making it impossible to catch.
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There are ways of catching this. The game Stars! used such a method, if you changed the number of something using a memory editor and processed the turn, the game reverted you back to the proper number. Its just a pain that time, effort and code that could be used to made the game better has to be used to thwart such mindless drivel. If they're so good at programming and want to show off, left them create their own work instead of trying to defeat someone else's.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Richard:

However this is your only warning another post like that and I will not only lock this thread down but I will also lock your acount out.

Threats and verbal abuse/language are NOT allowed on this forum or appreciated.
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May I ask to what you are refering the largest threat I saw was a 'use my e-mail and something bad will happen' hardly worth such a harsh reprisel.

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Actually i was responding to both of the guys. One was using language he should not have and yes the other is a threat. Actually believe it or not that threat alone is enough to have local law enforcement look into the issue.

Not saying I would do that but as a long time Systems Admin I have seen folks investigated by law enforcement for much less as far as threatening Online goes.

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Richard Arnesen
Director of Covert Ops
Shrapnel Games
http://www.shrapnelgames.com

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I know I risk the wrath of most of you but let me try to make a point in favour of cheating:
:]

Sometimes I like a game. But perhaps not enough to invest all my free time. So I'll miss some of its features. Like for example I play a scenario and after 100hours of play just befor I am to discover the technology I wanted to get to know to an enemy kills me off. That's when I LOVE savegameeditors, cheats, trainers ...

As for the problem of fairness in Online games - yes, it is a shame! But computers are powerful tools and crackers will always find their ways around protections. So by condemning trainers(and their like) you'll IMHO only create a false sense of safety. Do I have a solution? None but to proactively deal with the problem. e.g. Other Online communities have "clans" where each and every member has proved her fairness in many games...

Conclusio:
I'd really like to cheat myself.
=)

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Sometimes I like a game. But perhaps not enough to invest all my free time. So I'll miss some of its features. Like for example I play a scenario and after 100hours of play just befor I am to discover the technology I wanted to get to know to an enemy kills me off. That's when I LOVE savegameeditors, cheats, trainers<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Use the built-in, disableable cheats then. Don't waste your time making ruining games with external cheats.

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Does this guys trainer (or any trainer for that matter) actually work in a multiplayer game of SE4? If it doesn't, what's all the fuss about? For all we know Aaron already put a check similar to the one in Stars! in there to prevent this kind of thing.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Richard:
Actually i was responding to both of the guys. One was using language he should not have and yes the other is a threat. Actually believe it or not that threat alone is enough to have local law enforcement look into the issue.

Not saying I would do that but as a long time Systems Admin I have seen folks investigated by law enforcement for much less as far as threatening Online goes.
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Um Yes I didn't see any harsh language I was more jokingly responding and as I said the adress will most likly not be used perhaps you saw connitations where there were none, I hate to be a bother but I don't like being told off for something that in my eyes I didn't do.

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Probally wasn't referring to you Sirkit, check the 2nd page, Pheir (sp) uses the F-word and some anatomical insults.

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"The Empress took your name away," said Chance.
Owen smiled coldly. "It wasn't hers to take. I'm a Deathstalker until I die. And we never forget a slight or an enemy." -Owen Deathstalker.