Bugs - Another Broken Game
 

Windows XP SP2
Dom3 3.06
Mod: Amazon Empires

The attached file is my latest game, the messages and watching battle show that I won the two battles, yet my forces are gone!! I still control the provinces! I win the battles and still lose my armies! not much fun!

This is now the third game ruined by bugs!

1. Game One, could no longer empower magic users, the menu would no longer allow you to select area of magic. A saved game with issues was posted in the bug thread a week or so ago.

2. Game Two, my God got a Horror mark in a arena battle, game ruined. See thread "I hate horrors".

3. Game Three, see problem above.

If you need any additional info, let me know. I'm now going to shelf the game, it sucks to put a week into a game only to have it ruined by bugs. This had happened three times in three weeks in my last three games.

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Whats wrong with getting Horror Marked? It happens.

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I tried to look at your empower problem, can't use this save game here because it missed the map file (random map?) but i found your post in the bug thread and this was a standard map.

Could you please clarify your problem? I can give the action 'empowerment' in your savegame without any problem (lab needed) and after end turn it is empowered.

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Horror marking isn't a bug. You need to just learn to accept that if you risk your god you will sometimes lose them. It is entirely possible to play a game without the pretendder. Sending your god to the arena isn't something I'd recommend anyway: S/he can't get a heroic ability and the trident is not all that good.

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I had a look at the savegame. Are you sure that you had any additional units in that province before the battle? It seemed to me like Caelum was fighting your 41 province defense, and of course that doesn't show up in the map screen.

Please give a link to the post. Have you tried to get over level 10? That's not possible.

There are spells that can give horror marks, mostly astral magic, maybe your enemy has cast it? And there are weapons that leave horror mark on hit, too. It's not like horrors and horror marks are a bug per se, it's a game element.

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Ranger, I read your thread on horror, and then this one.

I don't like your way of reporting aggressivly your frustration in front of this game.

Just one advice : if you don't like it, don't play it.

Yes, this is not a perfect game, and it has bugs as all programs in the world.
But everything you've describe (except n°1) is NOT bugs. This is the way this game works. Sometimes, you get horror marked, and this is very bad. Sometimes, you win battles and all your troops are destroyed in the way.

This game is NOT a simple game, designed for the gamers who likes wins all the times and so fells to be powerfull.

I like to PLAY, not to WIN. And for playing, this is one of the major game in the world. I got challenge, difficulties, and must think, try, lose, be destroyed and so on to find a way of winning a game, and sometimes, I don't : I awfully lose ... And I like it.

If don't like to lose, don't play Dom3, or play against AI at 'dumb level'. But I don't see the point in it, because I doubt you will have fun.

My reaction can be a little rude, but I won't apologize because you're very too much offensive in your way of 'communicating' on this forum.

You don't like Dom3 ? Very well : don't play it, and don't complain here.

Thanks.

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Ranger, I had a look at all your posts to find the other problematic savegame with Empowerment that you described. I believe that you are trying to empower your pretender god? That works just fine, but you only got enough earth gems to empower her, for the rest it says "not enough gems", like it should. So, I didn't have any problems with it, if you do, then try to make a screenshot so that others can understand what you are talking about.

All the other things that you have reported so far (in addition to the above: something about province defense, and you reported that Navigators can't go underwater, but since they only have the sailing ability that's correct) are not bugs but only show that you haven't understood something correctly. It would help if you don't suspect a bug every time but ask what you may have lacked to understand so others don't regard your posting style as aggressive.

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While I think Ranger may be overracting in designating games as 'broken' simply because of a single issue I also think that a few of the reactions here have been a little harsh. It can be really frustrating to have something bad happen out of the blue in a game - I've had some horrible moments in FM2005 & FM2007 that made me pretty teed off at the game designers for a bit.
It's easy to post a quick angry post when in a bad mood. This can happen to everyone. Personally, this is the only forum I actually post on, but if you look at my posts I'm sure you'll find a few here where you can tell I wasn't too happy at the time. I can understand Ranger's frustrations, but I'm sure he'll recover from them and we'll see lots of productive posts from him in the future

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Well, guys, you're right.

I had overreacted myself to.

I finally come back from what I said, and I apologize for being rude myself with you, Ranger ...

Ich said it all. Simply ask calmy your questions, and you will have a lot of very userfull and smarts answers. Believe me. I got much advices reading this forum.

This game ins't perfect, but it is REALLY A GREAT GAME. Continue to play and when you will masterd its internal logic & mecanic, you'll have a lot of fun !

Have a nice day you all, and good week end.

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Problem1: I win battles but my forces disappear!
Problem2: Messages not reporting losess
See attached saved game (AA.ZIP).

Read Message - Battle in Kolermegor
It shows I won the battle with no losess, yet my forces do take losses, and my two leaders survive.

Watch the battle - I had two groups and two leaders, the leaders suvive the battle.
Leader Aithe, Priestess
Leader Paraminides, Mymidom Champion

Now look at the map, I own the province, yet my armies and leaders are gone!!!!

The same exact thing happens in the Battle of Jerib, I win the battle and my leaders survive and my forces disappear.

Battle of Jerib, message show I won no loses, the two leaders survive.

Leader, Hierolyta, Priestess
Leader, Phenos, Mymidom Champion

I own the province, yet my armies and leaders are gone!!!!
I'm winning battles and losing my armies and leaders


If you can't complete a game - it's broken!!!

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Are you sure they didn't just retreat, but you still happen to win before all your troops leave?

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You kinda have to know the list of ways to get horror marks, and keep your god away from them. Mostly it's certain items. Enemy mages can cast horror mark but the ai rarely does.

The biggest reason to keep your god out of the arena it might get cursed or die. Or stuck with the reward.

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Why would forces that win, reteat?

If they did reteat they would still be on the map, they are not, the armies and leaders disapeared!

I win the battle, still own the province and my forces disapear!!!!

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Ranger, I already answered your question. Your province defense won that battle and it ended when the last unit from Caelum retreated out of the battlefield. Nothing is wrong here. You still own the province and you still got your 41 province defense in there. The two commanders on the battlefield are those that you get from a province defense value >= 20. Have you still not understood how province defense works? Then please read your manual.

P.S.: The loss from your province defense doesn't show up in your battle reports because the province defense gets restored up to full troop strength in the new month. Duh.

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Wrong, that was two of my armies in Jerib, I was building a temple in that province with the priestess and had a army protecting her.

You bring up a good point though, how do you tell the difference between regular army units and province defence units?

How come the losses aren't reported in the message window?
Maybe be there needs to be a different message for province defence unit battles!

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The regular army units show up on the strategic display. You can assign them to commanders, move them around, give them a tactical order script, and so on.

Provincial Defense (PD) is simply a number in the province stats. That's all you can see on the strategic display. You can't give your PD any orders. When your PD is fighting someone, it will all deploy as a big "blob" in the middle of the tactical map. Archers will shoot, infantry & cavalry will charge straight ahead, and spellcasters will cast spells.

Because PD losses don't matter unless you lose the province. Any "dead" PD is automatically replaced on your next turn. There's really no point to reporting it....

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How do you tell the difference between PD units and Regular units in the battle messages?

How do you know if it's Regular of PD units fighting in a battle?

Do PD units show up in a battle if you have regular units in a province?

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If you only have PD and the enemy attacks:
If you have regular units & PD OR just regular units and the enemy attacks:
And yes, regular units & PD fight together in defense of a province.

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If you want to see if a unit is PD or not while you're watching a replay you can click on the units. "Real" units will have say "Home Garrison [Province]" near the top. Occasionally the province name will be blank for some reason, but the home garrison will always be there. PD troops do not have this tag. Commanders don't seem to have the tag, but they do have different names...plus most real commanders won't be anywhere near the center of the battlefield where the PD deploys.