Mirror image work on spells?
 

If a spell has a 100 percent chance to hit, but a defender has mirror image up, does the spell hit 100 percent of the time?

as another minor question, can a flying unit be trampled? it would not make any sense, but stranger things have happened.

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Anything smaller than the trampler can be trampled, be they flying, ethereal or whatever else.

Yes, the spell should hit 100% of the time, and even if it doesn't hit from the start, the mirror image should be gone.

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Of course, that begs the question how something in the air can be trampled.

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Or how they can be attacked by ground troops at all? This isn't Magic the Gathering, so I assume that flying is so exhausting that it can be used for movement on the battlemap, over short distances, but not by hovering in mid-air all the time. But really, would it be different then flying would be overpowered.

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If the flying unit is going to get in range to attack something, then that something will obviously be in range to hit back and trampling can then be considered the trampler knocking the flier out of the air and stomping it to a pulp. Suspension of disbelief. Look that one up.

Any more questions?

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Good to know. A counterintuitive thing is that getting paralyzed or losing fatigue doesn't always remove the mirror image though. Think shadowbolt or blast caused the first one. Know if it's a bug?

Archers and mages! Archers and mages!

Sure. Flapping wings while shooting a bow, or flapping wings while weaving intricate magic spells might not work very well. Kinda like shooting a rifle while running.

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Getting paralyzed or fatigued (stun damage) doesn't count as "real" damage that takes down the mirror image, otherwise you'd only need some Heat or Cold aura to take down Glamor. What counts is if the units really lost health points.

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so this means, if i soul slay vans, i have to hit them twice to kill them? Or is there a 50% chance to hit the van directly (as he has only one image)?

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I presume the spell hits instantly. From what I've seen, that seems to be the case. No second life for them for free.

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I realize it may be a balancing issue for flier to get free attacks, but when flying units use talons to attack, it is hard to imagine they are getting low enough to be trampled underfoot. So units that are birds, I cannot see them getting trampled. sorry. I can see them getting hit with weapons since they are low enough to attack. But how the hell is an elephant going to knock down an eagle and trample it? Under your scenario, maybe it should have a chance to knock the flying unit to the ground, then a trample, but i do not think it should be an automatic trample, which effectively means the elephant hits the flier(not easy to do) with its trunk 100 percent of the time and that the flier lost its ability to fly every time.

I think tramplers should get an attack with its trunk or weapon against flyers, but that is it.

With respect to caleaum, i think the assumption that they are on the ground when shooting their bows is valid. But their units attacking with melee weapons should be in the air, with the endurance penalty for fighting in the air that will bring them to the ground after 2-3 rounds of combat.

I mean if you had wings and a sword, if you had the endurance, would you be attacking the elephant on foot, or flying up and driving the sword down through its skull? Some common sense goes a long way here.

Flying units like demons, that use talons and claws, and have zero encumbrance, I just cannot imagine they would be attacking from ground instead of from above.

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Fliers like birds will almost always go for the eyes on a target bigger than they are. If the target sees it coming, fending it off isn't THAT much of a problem. And attacking with anything but a charging stab attack from the air has one really big problem: Leverage, or more specifically, lack of it, which means weapons that need to be swung are pretty much useless decoration. You can't get enough power behind the swing.

Give me wings and endurance and I'll pick up a bloody long spear or trident and then get back to business, but there's the problem that with those that if the target manages to dodge the stab and e.g. get hold of the shaft of the weapon, he'll use it as leverage against you to knock you out of the sky unless you let go of the pointy stick. At which point you're unarmed or need to resort to short things like knives that require close contact anyway.

Rewriting the game mechanics just because somebody has a poor grasp of the physics involved in the topic he holds forth on and no capacity for suspension of disbelief seems a particularly poor idea.

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They may well attack from above but they do have to get into range to attack and elephants are rather large. Trampling may not just represent running over units-i reckon getting hit by an elephant while your diving about the sky could be quite damaging(or if you prefer they elephants could knock them out of the air when they attack and then trample them)

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I imagine it would depend on how well they can control their flight. They wouldn't try any kind of swooping attack if they knew they'd crash, and certainly they are not hummingbirds, so no hovering over their opponent.

It might make sense to have separate "flier" and "poor flier" abilities. Poor fliers would only take the air to move, and land before fighting.

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would demons with venomous claws/talons not attack an elephant from behind, or do you assume they would just fly straight into its trunk? Could its trunk effectively dislodge a demon that sunk its claws fangs into an elephant's back and just sat there tearing it up?

Since you could not write a scenario to cover every flyer v every melee trampler, as i think that may be very complex, I think most true flyers, that attack with their bodies(claws talons fangs) would be skilled enough at air combat to not be trampled every time the trampler attacks.

I think it makes more sense that the trampler would get an attack at them with his melee weapon since they are in range, and not be guaranteed a trample attack.

I am not sure you see my point, i am not disagreeing that some fliers may be knocked to the ground and trampled, but you think a skilled flyer, especially if there are 30 flyers and 1 trampler, would all be knocked down every time to where an elephant coukld trample them all?

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Demons and the like are powerful enough as is. If they're given the ability to attack without being subject to enemy blows then there might be some very serious problems with all-flyer armies becoming the only viable tactic. In dominions even ethereal units are subject to normal attacks.

Flyer already gives the ability to cross all terains and attack behind enemy lines, the ability to instantly jump to anywhere on the battlefield and to instantly escape without being run down in a rout. It's a powerful ability.

There are many more significant areas that require suspension of disbelief than this. Including ones core to the genre such as the idea of explosive growth from a single province.

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I am not suggesting they be immune from attack, but from trample. Some units have a better melee attack than trample anyway, such as the minotaur. I play Pangaea a good bit, and would not mind seeing the minotaur be "limited" to a melee attack against flyers!