Error report - obat12 USA
 

USA obat12 Vulcan AAG unit 256 uses Arena system when being attacked by aircraft PGM's, especially by PGM's of SEAD planes.

Re: Error report - obat12 USA
 

It's not an OOB error. It's a game code error.

Don

Re: Error report - obat12 USA
 

Anyway it's an error.

I can't send you private messages, so I'm asking you here - what about Cobras?

Re: Error report - obat12 USA
 

There have been a great many changes made for this next patch but I have no intention at this time of reviewing the size of every helicopter in the game. I had INTENDED the patch to go out today but it's been delayed due to a number of factors and I'm not going to deplay it any further for that

Don

Re: Error report - obat12 USA
 

Excuse me? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

Re: Error report - obat12 USA
 

This is rediculous!
While the Cobra's size can wait till next patch - is it so great delay just to enter new EW for Units 120& 121?

Re: Error report - obat12 USA
 

Dimity, you do not have a CLUE what's involved in building this game. NOT A CLUE.

The "Delay" has NOTHING to do with the Vulcan. The delay has more to do with the constant *****ing about minor things I've had to deal with in the past two weeks that have eaten into the time I have available to prepare the patch and do all the things we wanted to get done and the fact that my entire life does NOT revolve around every last detail of this frigging game.

Don

Re: Error report - obat12 USA
 

OK.

Understood.

Now you have to try to understand me.
I'm talking not about Vulcan's or Cobra's size - as I said before this can wait till the fall.

I'm talking about Cobra's sky high EW. I have proved documentarily that Unit's 120 and 121 EW has to be around 3 or 4.

If changing EW SETTING in OOB is such a great problem - may be I can help just by sending you corrected OOB?

Re: Error report - obat12 USA
 

The issue here is the fact that it wouldn't be just changing it with regards to the USA OOB, but making sure its consistant with the OOBs. There are probably over a dozen AH-1s scattered across 6 or 7 OOBs or more. A quick survey found EW ranging for 2-8, and little consistancy. Its more work than just entering a new value, because doing it without a mind to the rest of the OOBs and other game elements means people are likely to complain in the opposite direction.

Furthermore, in terms of defensive qualities, the AH-1 series at the beginning has very little in way of improvements from the UH-1 except for its shape, which is dramatically redefined. Over its history, however, it gets significant changes in this quality. The "sugar" scoop exhaust suppression system, the M130 chaff/flare launcher near the tail, the AN/ALQ-144 pulsed infrared jammer, and redesigned rotor blades with reduced radar signiture. Its more than just IR defense. Chaff is not for IR defense.

Re: Error report - obat12 USA
 

Dear thatguy96,

you know, all this discussion seems to be no more than an excuse with the purpose not to change Cobra's EW.
But.
Concerning all that you said I can propose a compromise.
Only US Cobra's have such high EW of 8 during 80's - no other country choppers have anything like this.
So the decision is simple - to make Unit's 120 and 121 EW of 6.
EW 6 - is the standard EW for almost all other Cobra's modifications all over the world for the 80's.
So there will be no conflicts.
OK?

BTW all these radar jammers appeared in 90's on the late Cobra modifications - there are no documentary proofs that AH-1H had such jammer equipment. Am I wrong?

Re: Error report - obat12 USA
 

Brilliant idea Dimitry. There have been hundreds of of changes made to a great number of OOB so just how would you sending me a two month out of date OOB with "corrections" be of any help except to screw things up further ?

There are 5 "Helicopter" classes in the game and in those 5 classes are 1672 helicopters, many are the same and many are different and I am NOT prepared to make changes to any of them to the degree you think they should be changed without proper study and I DO NOT HAVE THE TIME NOR THE DESIRE TO DO THAT BEFORE THIS PATCH GOES OUT !

Is THAT clear enough?

Don

Re: Error report - obat12 USA
 

OK Dimity that I will do . I'll let others debate the issue with you. I'm done with it

Don

Re: Error report - obat12 USA
 

OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm so tired of breaking this wall http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Re: Error report - obat12 USA
 

AH-1H? Firstly, I'm not sure what model you're talking about because there was no AH-1H. A quick look at the sources I have available has garnered a picture of an AH-1 with the AN/ALQ-144 in 1984. The delivery date of the first units, which were purposely purchased for the AH-1 series, is stated to be 1981.

Re: Error report - obat12 USA
 

Look for my reply here
http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/thr...o=&fpart=2