OT: The irony of SG1
 

In Stargate SG1, they send out explorers through intersteller wormhole devices on planetary surfaces. Unless you are supremely disinterested in sci-fi shows, you alredy know this.

However, there is something utterly ironic about all this that has been getting my attention.

The SGC sends out unnanounced exploration teams through the stargates.

However, they have an iris which closes over their gate, disallowing unnanounced exploration teams from other planets.

(Yes, I know about Malps. I just thought it was really ironic.)

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Don't forget every world speaks english without the need of dr. jackson to translate it.

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Well all of the humans were taken from earth so they must speak some earth language so the entire team is just multi-lingual. I mean its not that hard to believe that each member knows 4 or 5 different languages.

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In the early seasons, they often had communications problems with the natives. But as the show dragged on, it seems as if the writers (and everyone else) got tired of that angle, over and over. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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They start out using the Stargate then end the series flying a large man made space ship with beam weapons, hyperdrive, shields, and a cloaking device. Ya it was time to say good bye.

As for everyone speaking english, hey, ITS A TV SHOW. Duhhhhhhhh.

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I believe they explained the 'everyone speaking modern English' this way: If they had to spend a quarter of each episode learning the language of the people of the world, it wouldn't leave much time for anything else to happen (a very valid point, in my opinion.) Suspension of disbelief is what Sci-Fi is all about.
Technically, they don't have any beam weapons on their ships (railguns and missiles, which we today could build), the hyperdrive was supplied by the Asgard (not human made), shields also supplied by the Asgard, and I can't remember anything about a cloaking device http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

I still think it's a lot better show than most of the vacuous crap that's on TV today, even if it has departed somewhat from its previous premise.

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I thought we had our own Hyperdrive going based on G'ould technology using the unstable Naquadria. The Asgard sent a representative to help with that instabilty to make the Earth ship hyperdrives more efficent and thus able to leave the Galaxy (hence Stargate Atlantis).

The shield Technology was a direct gift from the Asgard for Earth stopping the replicator threat.

The Transporter is another gift or was it scavenged from the Asgard??

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They had a Asgard engineer running the beam and trying to fix it after it took plot damage once...

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Stop talking about SG1 I am barely able to keep myself from spoiling the episodes most of you haven't seen yet.

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A heaping pile of dung is already spoiled, my friend.

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Yes, those emoticons sum up the latter seasons of Stargate very nicely.

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Well the writers basicly said that after Season 7 they just started making things up because they didn't expect the show to go that long. Season 7 also happens to be the last season I watched.

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Its like they simply lost steam. The shows were clever, and some toward the end of the series were even good. But to end the series on a space ship, well that was just wrong.

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I believe you already know this, but that was actually my opinion of your post! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif Some people say Stargate went downhill; it did, but is still better than most shows on TV today http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Stargate has done anything but go down hill, the last 5 episodes of this final season will blow your mind, easily some of the best episodes and I have watched every episode 4 or 5 times.

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To be perfectly honest, I would keep watch the show because I really enjoyed it. Even if they were going through the gate in wheel chairs at 90 years old.

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You're right, CW. Going downhill implies that it was a gradual process. It was a rather sharp drop-off, yes. I stand corrected.

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I really enjoyed the one with T'lec (sp) on a revenge thing. Very well done. And the one where Dr. Jackson comes back as an Ori Priest and Jack O'Neill carry on with banter... priceless. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif That was a good throw back episode to earlier seasons. The final episode though, while interesting, just didn't leave me with a sense of fulfillment. I do however look forward to the two DVD movies.

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the best episode was the 'Wormhome Xtreeme' one.
they sooo took the micky out of themselfs (and others) on that. you could tell they really enjoyed making it too.

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Where the final episodes leaked or do they run the series sooner in other countries?

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I believe that SkyOne in the UK has shown the final episodes.

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Hmm...Is Stargate the 'New Star Trek'?

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Another piece of irony - When computers were new and generally came in vaccuum tubes, programmers used cards with holes punched out to store data bits.

Now that computers are old (Relatively) and come in cpus packed with millions of transisters that are one inch accross, the most common data storage units (CDs and DVDs) are...Wait for it...Cards with holes punched in them.

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Description is the same, function is radically different, though I do like the irony.

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***Spoiler of 5-5-07 episode***









Well, I just missed the last five minutes of the episode where Daniel Jackson is an Ori priest. What happened after he knocked out the 'Ori commander' daughter? How did it end? What was next weeks preview without a *spoiler*?

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See PM

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He decides that he cannot live without her so he scoops her up in his arms and runs off to marry her. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif Most disappointing, albeit, in her previous life she was a licensed care giver... if you know what I mean. (Firefly)

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dont know why...but when i watch this show, remind me propaganda about the war on iraq...you know, the US army liberators, the dumb foreing exotic guys, the bad boys that looks like mid-east......

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The movie came out some time before the war on terrorism became a common household term.

Aslo, there have been plenty of aliens who are smarter than humans.

The fact that they often don't think of the obvious is a common trait of aliens in fiction. The problem is wider-spread than SG-1.

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Nah, Stargate has aliens who we're told are smarter than us. What the show actually depicts, sometimes, is another matter http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/yawn.gif

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I just saw the final episode of Stargate, and while it was not by any means a bad episode, it could have been better.

I'm kinda sad to see the show go, after all, I've been watching the show for half my life! Good thing there's a couple straight-to-DVD movies coming out http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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I'm interested to see how things go in Atlantis. I know we now gained all the Asgard knowledge so we can probably crush the wraith (We only just finished season 2) but I know there are Replicators in Atlantis and even the Asgard couldn't finish them with all their knowledge so that makes the Replicators the main enemy from now on.

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Rather ridiculous. Rather like finding a theoretical caveman and giving him a computer is my first impression.

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Well they gave us the tech specs. Perhaps it'll take us decades to work it out.

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...Centuries, more like.

But then, earthlings in Stargate are simply amazing at figuring out technology, while everyone else is clueless.

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Yeah like the ancients couldn't defeat the Wraith, so by the end of season 2 humans have devised a method to turn the wraith back into humans http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

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The show is ok. I would like it better if they hadn't fall into the uber tech we are so smart trap.

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Stargate seems to have fallen into the trek category. It isn't bad, but it's part of that generation of scifi.

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I'd have to disagree with the "not bad" thing. The constant deus ex machina and ever-escalating scale of ultimate bad guys drove the show into the ground. And it started off so well in the early seasons... sigh. Bloody Sci Fi Channel.

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I agree 100%

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Luckily there is a good chance that the Stargate Movie will get its two real intended sequels, with Kurt Russell and James Spader... but that is, of course, last year's news.

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When I said it's not a bad thing, it's just a thing of that age of scifi. Many scifi shows from that period were the same, much like scifi from the 40's and 50's and 60's were all very much the same and it took Star Trek and Star Wars to really shake up the genre.

Just like Babylon 5, Firefly, DS9, and the new BSG really shook up scifi today.

But bonnie hammer at scifi can be blamed for turning a lot of scifi into crap. Last press kit from BSG indicated that RDM and Eick were told to make BSG "more episodic". That's a nice way of saying..

"We feel the audience is stupid so make the show stupider so ratings go up."

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Unfortunately, there really is a Science Fiction void at the moment, with no good shows on (with the possible exception of Atlantis, which is good enough for me to waste an hour of my time on, though it could be better).

It seems that the majority of the viewing public just wants more "Ooo, shiny 'reality' TV show...crime drama...medical drama...soap opera... *drool, drool mindlessly*"

Maybe in another decade we'll have a good scifi show again http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

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Maybe if the writers for sci fi shows didn't suck these days...

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The topic in question seems to be a corollary of what the creator of B5 said when asked how fast the starfuries were.

"They move at the speed of plot"

so the ability of SGC members to handle alien tech is a result of them being as intelligent as the plot demands. Probably also related in some way to the fact that everyone they meet is human basically. I was actually surprised the one time I saw an epsiode where they participated in a space race, not withstanding it was a Voyager rip off, because there were actually aliens. It seems SG explains why everyone is human, but never explains why they all speak english, while ST doesn't explain why everyone is humanoid, apart from maybe the only epsiode of STNG I've never seen, and conveniently glosses over exactly how the universal translator works. I say this beacuse of it's apparent inability to always translate Klingon. It's like when the Klingons want to make a point they press the "Do not translate this bit" button.

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Stargate had the human aliens speaking all sorts of different languages in the early seasons, and used it as a plot device numerous times. The real aliens always had a native tongue of their own, but were presumably learned enough to speak English. You can only write stories based on language differences so many times without repeating yourself, so after a while its easier to just assume a common language. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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The stargate dumps the native language into your head, of course! (Or at least, that would be one way to handle it)

And the early episode problems were because they didn't have a DHD.

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I believe they explained the "everyone speaks English" thus:

If it took them 15 minutes of each episode learning the local language, it wouldn't leave much time for the rest of the plot. And really, it is possible to be too realistic, which major language difficulties every episode would be.

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They just needed to take a bunch of GSL courses. They had a few years to learn and reteach the basics, after all. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif