Question re: Bean Sidhe
 

Quite simply... why does she cost so much? She looks like she could cost 160g (or maybe even 150g) without a problem in the least.

Does she have some special ability that makes her cost more?

Re: Question re: Bean Sidhe
 

The only thing I can find is that she starts with points in 3 magic schools and all the others just in 2. She is the only one who can get water 2 easily (25%). This is true in both ages.

Water 2 is very good if you meet giants for example, as you then get to cast winter ward.

Low level water boosting equipment is very hard to get at for this nation as they require high water skill (if you don't start with a pretender that have this skill of course).

Re: Question re: Bean Sidhe
 

I would say:
- Because she is good for clam hording.
- She can have 4 different magic pathes, thats perfect for Rings/Magic Robe
- Glamour

She isn't cheap but i would build up some of her!

Re: Question re: Bean Sidhe
 

Glamour and 3 magic paths and randoms?
Remember Vanherses are 160g, with 1 path and 1Holy.
She sounds closer to the Vandrott level (380g)
How much does she cost?

Re: Question re: Bean Sidhe
 

220 gold, seems more like a good bargain to me.

Re: Question re: Bean Sidhe
 

The Bean Sidhe for Eriu costs 220gp 1 res. Not bad for 4 paths.

Playing Eriu and I am now recruiting a Tuathu and as many Daoine Sidhe as I can per turn at my capital.

Re: Question re: Bean Sidhe
 

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She's awful. You can get 3 paths at 1 each for ~100g. Why don't we compare her to the Oceania Mermage?

Mermage has WWN(AWEN), while she has AWN(AWEN). That's the same number of paths, almost exactly the _same_ paths, and the Mermage always has WW, with a 25% chance for WWW. With that, he can clam innately, unlike the Sidhe.

I'll also note in passing that the Master of the Five Elements has strictly superior magic, is _sacred_, and costs less.

So it can't be her magic that makes her cost so much. I can only assume that they're worried that she'll be used to thug with the paths available to her and her overall good stats. However, I find this not very likely considering her low HPs (for a thug) and lack of defensive abilities (glamour got nerfed).

If there's nothing 'hidden' on her, I can only assume she's supposed to be sacred and the #sacred tag was left off. That, or her cost really should be lower.

Re: Question re: Bean Sidhe
 

"She's awful. You can get 3 paths at 1 each for ~100g. Why don't we compare her to the Oceania Mermage?"

We shouldn't because Tir na n'Og does not have access to Mermages. Why? They have other units, better at other things that Oceania's is not. You see, low price on a good unit has its price.
What I'm saying is that you have to see the whole picture or you will find a lot of things "unbalanced".

Re: Question re: Bean Sidhe
 

Hmm. So what you're saying is that anything is justifiable if enough other things are bad?

We can only compare inside one nation?

This is patently ludicrous. I see no reason why we should not expect equal mages of equal abilities to have equal costs. That is the very definition of balance.

If you do not want that, then you want to play an unbalanced game.

I did not start this thread to 'snipe' at anyone. I was simply confused because by any standard, she is overpriced. (Again, note that an independent Enchantress is FAR superior to her at only a fraction of the cost more.) I was thinking that something was overlooked since she is, after all, part of a just-released patch.

That's it, I'm done. I will say no more before I say something that will get me banned from these forums.

Re: Question re: Bean Sidhe
 

Hey, don't take it like that. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Your are entitled to your opinion as much as anyone and I respect that. I was just criticizing you based on my own opinion in the matter. Sorry if I was too harsh or anything, not my intention. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Re: Question re: Bean Sidhe
 

Vedalken, your wrong, your very definition of balance is the very definition of generic.

That being said, I am not sure either way if she IS balanced, underpowered or overpowered yet. You may be right on your perception of the unit, but you really do have to take the entire nation into consideration.

Re: Question re: Bean Sidhe
 

Bean Sidhe are recruitable anywhere and they are far more versatile than the mermage, if you want a comparison.

Bean Sidhe can provide full site searching for Air, Water and Nature, they can forge a fair few combo items that are hard to come by elsewhere and ultimately build all water boosters, have glamour and exceptional stealth and forest movement. Further, depending on what randoms they get, they can function as battle mages. She also does not get power reduction like the mermage does on land.

Yes, the indie enchantress is far better. She is also only recruitable from sites you need to be lucky enough to find first and generally kicks almost any national mage's arse in a cost comparison analysis.

The whole goddamn point in comparisons is compare nations against each other as a whole, not just snip out some arbitrary unit and then compare those.

Re: Question re: Bean Sidhe
 

She's still quite overpriced when you compare her to other mages that get two picks in a single path (such as mystics or Jomon's mages) and aren't capital only.

Re: Question re: Bean Sidhe
 

I recruited one in my single player game, I lucked out and got all 4 paths and I used her as an elemental site finder. Beyond that I couldn't bring myself to fork out the cash to buy anymore.

After testing it, I think VedalkenBear is right, the unit really is too expensive, even when taking the rest of the nation into consideration.

Re: Question re: Bean Sidhe
 

Just sit back and think 'bout it:

All sidhe are sacred.

The Bean Sidhe is not.

What's wrong? ;-)

Re: Question re: Bean Sidhe
 

You're suggesting that the Baen Sidhe was supposed to have been sacred?

-Max

Re: Question re: Bean Sidhe
 

[quote]
Arralen said:All sidhe are sacred.[quote]


No they aren't, not in EA. It's the Tuatha who're sacred.