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Suicide Junkie May 22nd, 2007 09:30 PM

*windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
http://imagemodserver.mine.nu/other/...indowedSE4.zip

Simply run the WindowedSE4.exe any time. (Only run it once, or the two copies may fight over the window positioning)
The black border is eliminated, and you can press the arrow keys while holding ScrollLock to move SE4 around, even off edge of the screen!

Note: was for 1280x1024 screen resolution, now handles anything!

Check it out!
http://imagemodserver.mine.nu/other/...indowedSE4.png
http://imagemodserver.mine.nu/other/...wedSE4mini.gif

Atrocities May 22nd, 2007 10:17 PM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
Man I didn't think any one still played this old game.

Suicide Junkie May 22nd, 2007 10:34 PM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
Why in the world wouldn't you?
Its got superior UI, rock solid gameplay and extensive mods available.

geoschmo May 22nd, 2007 10:42 PM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
Is this written in Autohotkey? I love that scripting program. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Ok, I'm having some problems though. I can't see the top part of the game window with all the buttons. Only the system window and the right hand windows display. My display is 1280x800.

Second, It's physically impossible for me to hold down the scroll lock key on my Dell laptop and move the mouse. Scoll lock on my keyboard is shared with num lock. To get scroll lock I have to hold an fn key in the lower left while pressing the num lock/scroll lock in the upper right. My fingers don't reach so this takes two hands, leaving my none to move my mouse with. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Any chance you could add an .ini file for the script so we can change the hotkey button ourselves?

Geoschmo

Suicide Junkie May 22nd, 2007 11:05 PM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
It is set for 1280x1024 at the moment.
I'll have to see about allowing arbitrary screen rezzes.

BTW, its not the mouse, it is the arrow keys to move the screen. Does that make any difference?

Uploaded new version!
It was surprisingly easy; Now it handles any screen rez that SE4 will handle.
Note: If you change your screen rez in the middle of playing, and then restart SE4, you will have to restart the tool as well, otherwise the clipping edges won't match SE4's new size.

geoschmo May 22nd, 2007 11:18 PM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
Ah, misread that. I can do the finger twister thing and manage holding fn with one hand while holding num lock/scroll lock and pressing arrow keys with the fingers of the other hand. However the window doesn't move for me. My keyboard being non standard 101 key maybe the problem?

Also, I changed my resolution to 1024x768 and I still can't see the top part of the SE4 screen. System display, planet window and galactic map only.

Geoschmo

EDIT: Ah didn't see you posted new version. With the new version the entire game window shows up. Cool. Still can't make the window move though. It does give me room on either side to put a chat window though while I'm playing. Kind of nice. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Suicide Junkie May 22nd, 2007 11:20 PM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
My bad. I meant 1280x1024.
But it now handles any rez, even nonstandard aspect ratios.

narf poit chez BOOM May 22nd, 2007 11:26 PM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
Elbows, Geoschmo! Elbows!

Combat Wombat May 23rd, 2007 12:31 AM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
Yaaaaa your my new hero SJ http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Atrocities"
Who doesn't still play SE4? Beats SE5 in just about every way as far as I am concerned....(Note: Please don't start a SE4 vs. SE5 debate in this thread)

Fyron May 23rd, 2007 02:59 AM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
You just started it though, CW. d'oh! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/stupid.gif

dogscoff May 23rd, 2007 04:52 AM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
S_J That is truly brilliant. Now I can hide se4 away in some tiny corner of my 1600*1200 display so that my boss won't notice it!

Fyron May 23rd, 2007 05:19 AM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
A tiny 1024x768 corner? That's still 40% of the screen! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/stupid.gif

se5a May 23rd, 2007 08:07 AM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
Geo, I had the same problem, but then on a hunch tried using crtl instead of the function button, and it works fine.

dogscoff May 23rd, 2007 11:07 AM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
Quote:


A tiny 1024x768 corner? That's still 40% of the screen!

That's still sufficient to hide behind my email client. All I need now is a GUImod to make se4 look like an excel spreadsheet=-)

Will May 23rd, 2007 12:20 PM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
Quote:

dogscoff said:
Quote:


A tiny 1024x768 corner? That's still 40% of the screen!

That's still sufficient to hide behind my email client. All I need now is a GUImod to make se4 look like an excel spreadsheet=-)

Won't your boss be suspicious why you are suddenly so engrossed in your work? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

geoschmo May 23rd, 2007 01:08 PM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
Quote:

se5a said:
Geo, I had the same problem, but then on a hunch tried using crtl instead of the function button, and it works fine.

Tried Ctrl, still can't move the window.

Suicide Junkie May 23rd, 2007 09:05 PM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
New Version, same link!

Features:
- Click and drag the Name/Date/Resources bar to move the window with your mouse!
- ALT-F12 = Boss key for 'Scoffo; SE4 will hide with only 3 pixels peeking out from the left hand side of your screen.

Suicide Junkie May 23rd, 2007 10:23 PM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
Yet another update!

Now, you can move ANY window by clicking and dragging the top of it!

http://imagemodserver.mine.nu/other/...wedSE4mini.png

geoschmo May 23rd, 2007 10:36 PM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
Two words to say to you SJ.

Suh and WEET! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

Atrocities May 23rd, 2007 11:24 PM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
I really had the impression that this game was long since dead. Glad to see that people still play it. Makes me feel not so out of date knowing that other people still play it too.

Suicide Junkie May 23rd, 2007 11:33 PM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
BONUS: Hold Control and ALT when you click in the design screen, and it will automatically add or remove 10 of whatever is under the mouse.
Add Shift to the mix for 50 at a time!

Leaky armor is now a snap to design with! Add 70 or a hundred components with the greatest of ease. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Combat Wombat May 24th, 2007 01:48 AM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
Quote:

Suicide Junkie said:
BONUS: Hold Control and ALT when you click in the design screen, and it will automatically add or remove 10 of whatever is under the mouse.
Add Shift to the mix for 50 at a time!

Leaky armor is now a snap to design with! Add 70 or a hundred components with the greatest of ease. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

/me drools

Captain Kwok May 24th, 2007 08:04 AM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
This is very cool. Too bad it wasn't around a few years ago. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

Black_Knyght May 24th, 2007 07:31 PM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
Can't get this yo download for some reason

Artaud May 24th, 2007 11:20 PM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
Quote:

Atrocities said:
Man I didn't think any one still played this old game.

I'll be playing SE4 for years to come.

SE5 just doesn't excite me.

But at least it's 3D!!!!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/yawn.gif

Suicide Junkie May 24th, 2007 11:25 PM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
1 Attachment(s)
File attached in case of download troubles

dogscoff May 25th, 2007 05:51 AM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
OK, I've actually used it now. SJ, this program is truly brilliant. If you didn't already have my eternal gratitude for your various outstanding contributions to the game and community over the years, you definitely have it now.

*dogscoff awards S_J a "community service medal", hoping no-one notices its made from a beer-bottle cap.

dogscoff May 25th, 2007 08:53 AM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
WindowedSE4 is now WIKIed. Includes a feature list, usage instructions and links.

Couldn't find a better place to link to it from than "Spreadsheets (SEIV)" so if anyone has any better ideas, you know what to do.

bearclaw May 25th, 2007 03:29 PM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
SJ, this is wonderful!!! Absolutely amazing but there is one issue. If you are running multiple monitors it only shows a small portion of SE4. That small portion can be moved but you can't see the system window or the command bar.

Suicide Junkie May 25th, 2007 06:46 PM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
Hmm... SE4 normally does not blot out the second monitor with the black, right?
SE4 just centers on the first monitor, rather than being in the center of the desktop, and that is probably what is throwing it off.

AgentZero May 25th, 2007 07:42 PM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
Hurray! This was one of the things that always bugged me about playing SE4. I have my resolution set at 1600x1200, so running SE4 in full screen mode at 1024x768 seemed a bit wasteful. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Suicide Junkie May 25th, 2007 08:50 PM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
New version uploaded.
This one should probably handle multiple monitors better.

narf poit chez BOOM May 25th, 2007 10:34 PM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
SJ should get some sort of community service medal.

Renegade 13 May 26th, 2007 12:26 AM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
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Captain Kwok May 26th, 2007 12:53 AM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
Quote:

narf poit chez BOOM said:
SJ should get some sort of community service medal.

Maybe he already has?
http://www.captainkwok.net/community.php

narf poit chez BOOM May 26th, 2007 02:12 AM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
Hey, I was just responding to what Dogscoff said.

Fyron May 26th, 2007 04:01 AM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
Speaking of those... when is the next one going to be awarded, Kwok? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

narf poit chez BOOM May 26th, 2007 03:01 PM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
...And shouldn't community awards be awarded by community vote? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

Fyron May 26th, 2007 03:50 PM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
They weren't community awards, they were community service awards.

narf poit chez BOOM May 26th, 2007 09:28 PM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
Po-tay-to, pa-tah-to.

Fyron May 27th, 2007 01:54 AM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
Eh? A community service award is just an award given for service to the community; its not necessarily an award given by the community.

Ragnarok-X May 27th, 2007 05:25 AM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
So, Fyron wants one as well or how does it sound to you guys http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

zippyg May 27th, 2007 12:16 PM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
Are there special system requirements for this?
I have tried it but absolutely nothing happens even though i get the little green 'H' icon in the system tray.

I am running SEIV deluxe on win98se with an nvidia graphics card. The resolution I have my monitor set to is usually 1152x864. Are any special settings required?

I would love to get it working. thanks. bye.

Suicide Junkie May 27th, 2007 01:22 PM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
I know what the problem is.

I should have a new version up this afternoon.

Fyron May 27th, 2007 02:05 PM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
Ragnarok-X said:
So, Fyron wants one as well or how does it sound to you guys http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif


Huh?

Suicide Junkie May 27th, 2007 04:58 PM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
Update to the main program:
http://imagemodserver.mine.nu/other/...indowedSE4.zip
- This fixes a bug with windows not noticing if you release CTRL, ALT or SHIFT while doing a multiadd.
- This also fixes a bug which prevented the click and drag from being noticed by 98

And, a tool to remove the black border on win98:
http://imagemodserver.mine.nu/other/...Windowed98.zip
Some setup required; you need to specify what screen resolution you want to use in the restorez.bat file.
After that, just use this exe to launch SE4 with instead of SE4.exe directly.
Note: It can't yet detect when SE4 shuts down, so you'll have to close it manually by right clicking the tray icon when you are done playing.

zippyg May 28th, 2007 08:31 AM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
Hi, I have it working now on my win98 system. All windows seem to be movable except for the main menu (F2) and the planet 'scrap facility' windows (Ctrl K) which don't seem to be movable. However I'm very happy with what it does now.

thanks
bye

Suicide Junkie May 28th, 2007 09:16 AM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
You wouldn't believe how many windows there are in SE4... pages and pages of names http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
I'll add the missing ones tonight.

bearclaw May 28th, 2007 01:20 PM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
Thought I had posted this before but I guess i just thought about it.

Works great, looks great, but won't work if you have multiple monitors running. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

geoschmo May 28th, 2007 05:01 PM

Re: *windowed* SE4, running on windows!
 
Quote:

bearclaw said:
Thought I had posted this before but I guess i just thought about it.

Works great, looks great, but won't work if you have multiple monitors running. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

You did post this before and SJ answered. He thought he addressed it with the latest version. Have you downloaded the updated version?


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